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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jan 10, 2005 16:55:18 GMT -5
To my surprise, KNSX was playing this when my alarm went off one morning over a week ago.Β (KNSX has no talk or very many ads (none of which are corporate anyway), just a DJ whose voice ID's all the current songs afterward for the first 6 months or so of their lifespan.Β And she actually put an ID after this song, as if it were any other current song they play.Β And what's more, I've heard them play this like 5 more times since then.Β What's this all about?Β They did play Avril's "Complicated" every once in awhile while it was current and still do from time to time, but she never put an ID tag after it.
Are any other Alternative stations across the country playing this at all?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2005 17:40:49 GMT -5
Mediabase doesn't show any Alternative spins, but then again, they seem to not monitor songs that get play on formats that you wouldn't think they belong. I made a comment about this in the Announcements forum.
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Post by EvanJ on Jan 10, 2005 20:15:32 GMT -5
KNSX isn't monitored by Mediabase so we don't know that Mediabase is doing anything wrong by not listing her.
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Post by dragoneyez on Jan 10, 2005 20:42:59 GMT -5
This is her most "rock" song that I've heard, but I'm still surprised any rock or alt. station would play. There is absolutely no way to get around its pop tendencies (production style, catchy hook, use of keyboards, etc.).
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Post by tortuga on Jan 10, 2005 21:17:53 GMT -5
But if this was released like in 1996 then we would hear this on alternative, I think.
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Post by friday on Jan 10, 2005 23:31:32 GMT -5
But if this was released like in 1996 then we would hear this on alternative, I think. I get the feeling that would depend on if there was American Idol in 1996. I don't think they played pop-semi-exclusive artists who happened to release a rock-ish song back then. I mean, they played Natalie Imbruglia's first two singles, but that's just it. They were her first two singles. So I guess it would depend on if this was her first single and had yet to define herself. But the short answer is this: It's not 1996.
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Post by allow that on Jan 10, 2005 23:42:38 GMT -5
But if this was released like in 1996 then we would hear this on alternative, I think. I don't think we would have heard it on Alternative then either. True, they played a lot of solo females ranging from Natalie Merchant to Jewel who would NEVER be on Alternative now, but unlike them Kelly Clarkson is just a singer, and not a singer/songwriter.
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Post by Houster on Jan 11, 2005 0:38:33 GMT -5
If you look at the liner notes on "Breakaway" you'll find that Kelly Clarkson indeed IS a singer/songwriter.
Its ironic that I can hear Heart, Pat Benatar, Grace Slick, Joan Jett and several other women on classic rock stations, but virtually no women on alternative rock stations.
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Post by allow that on Jan 11, 2005 1:12:20 GMT -5
If you look at the liner notes on "Breakaway" you'll find that Kelly Clarkson indeed IS a singer/songwriter. LOL, it's not really the same thing.
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Post by punkydoodle on Jan 11, 2005 6:14:46 GMT -5
Wow, surprised to hear it's getting play on alternative. I would think it'd sound incredibly out of place, but perhaps I just hear more pop in it than other people do. But I like Kelly, so good to hear.
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Post by GordonUM on Jan 11, 2005 13:06:19 GMT -5
A poster on another board was asking if this was what Liz Phair's pop album sounded like. But actually, this is an even better pop version of Liz Phair's early sound than Liz Phair herself could do.
But I don't think Alternative would ever have played an artist who started their career with "A Moment Like This". Alternative has made room for songs that were quiet and contemplative, but never as sappy as that one.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 11, 2005 13:20:13 GMT -5
LOL, it's not really the same thing. Huh? If you think that a singer/songwriter has to play an instrument, then that is just wrong. The mere words imply that the artist sings and writes her stuff. There is no qualification for instrument playing and any implication of the sort is merely stereotypical. That said, I could never see this becoming an alternative hit by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 11, 2005 13:33:48 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson would have definitely not have been on the Alternative Format in 1996 or any years in that range, she is a POP artist. Avril Lavigne would have probably had the chance, but an American Idol winner, no way. Natalie Merchant was in a staple act of the first half of the 90's, 10,000 Maniacs. Alanis Morissette was a pop act in Canada, but in the states, with he profanity used in JLP, she was perfectly fit for the format.
One question, was Joan Osborne ever in the Alt. Top 20 in 1996? She's pretty close to POP I would say.
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Post by crash46 on Jan 11, 2005 14:41:42 GMT -5
I'm tired of people trying to give the impression that alternative or rock radio used to be this haven for female artists, because aside from a few years that were ultimately proven to be flukes, there never has been any significant demand for them.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 11, 2005 15:18:24 GMT -5
Huh? If you think that a singer/songwriter has to play an instrument, then that is just wrong. The mere words imply that the artist sings and writes her stuff. There is no qualification for instrument playing and any implication of the sort is merely stereotypical. That said, I could never see this becoming an alternative hit by any stretch of the imagination. There's a difference between a singer that writes songs and a singer/sondwriter. Kelly Clarkson started out as a manufactured singer who eventually went on to have a part in the writing process of her songs. Like Christina Aguilera and other pop artists. Singer/songwriters have been writing pretty much as long as they have been singing and I would argue most of them writing longer than they've been singing. I'm a fan of singer/songwriters and there's absolutely no way you're going to convince me that Kelly Clarkson is a "singer/songwriter".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2005 15:24:25 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson's biggest hits weren't even written by her.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 11, 2005 15:57:32 GMT -5
There's a difference between a singer that writes songs and a singer/sondwriter. Kelly Clarkson started out as a manufactured singer who eventually went on to have a part in the writing process of her songs. Like Christina Aguilera and other pop artists. Singer/songwriters have been writing pretty much as long as they have been singing and I would argue most of them writing longer than they've been singing. I'm a fan of singer/songwriters and there's absolutely no way you're going to convince me that Kelly Clarkson is a "singer/songwriter". Yep. I mean, I love Kelly, but she is a singer who dabbles in writing. I respect her for that...but in no way do I compare it to someone like Vanessa Carlton, Jewel, Sarah M, etc...
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Post by dragoneyez on Jan 11, 2005 16:45:10 GMT -5
A "singer/songwriter" doesn't necessarily have to start their career off writing their songs. However, they usually write most of their songs on their own, as well as playing something (guitar, piano, etc.) on their tracks.
I'm supportive of Kelly and have liked some of her stuff, but I don't think she's written anything where she is the only writer credited. Also, to my knowledge, she hasn't played any instrument on her songs.
One day, she could very well become more of a singer/songwriter, but she just isn't there yet.
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Post by allow that on Jan 11, 2005 20:52:03 GMT -5
Huh? If you think that a singer/songwriter has to play an instrument, then that is just wrong.Β The mere words imply that the artist sings and writes her stuff.Β There is no qualification for instrument playing and any implication of the sort is merely stereotypical. I think you're taking the "singer/songwriter" thing way too literally. Kelly is not one by any stretch of the imagination for the reasons that The Max described her perfectly.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 12, 2005 0:44:06 GMT -5
I think you're taking the "singer/songwriter" thing way too literally. Kelly is not one by any stretch of the imagination for the reasons that The Max described her perfectly. and I would even argue that MOST songwriters can play some sort of instrument or are able to somehow create the sound of the song in the studio. At least, most songwriters that I see releasing music in cd form. I mean, I know that some people just do lyrics and there are some great lyricists...but I dont think saying that songwriters normally play some sort of instrument or some other means to create the sound is crazy
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 12, 2005 13:26:11 GMT -5
While most singer/songwriters probably do play an instrument, I think it's just a correlation. The main reason why most singer/songwriters play an instrument is because they start out as actual solo artists without any sort of band to back them up and in order to put their writings into any musical form, they have to do it themselves so they have to learn an instrument so they can do it. I personality don't consider playing an instrument to be instrumental (LOL) in an artist being a "singer/songwriter".
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Post by sinceubeengone7 on Jan 12, 2005 13:29:15 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson's biggest hits weren't even written by her. not necessarily true. she co-wrote 'Miss Independent' which is her BIGGEST hit to date.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Jan 12, 2005 13:45:05 GMT -5
not necessarily true. she co-wrote 'Miss Independent' which is her BIGGEST hit to date. the keyword being co-wrote...
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 12, 2005 13:49:10 GMT -5
the keyword being co-wrote... No the keyword being "wrote". You think all singers/songwriters are the only authors on their hits? Come on now... let's have a little bit of an open mind here.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 12, 2005 13:52:30 GMT -5
I think you're taking the "singer/songwriter" thing way too literally. Kelly is not one by any stretch of the imagination for the reasons that The Max described her perfectly. Am I? I suppose there are subjective definitions for singer/songwriter and I can respect that. But, for example, when it comes for awards for songwriter of the year, etc. those subjective things are thrown out the window. What matters is what is in the liners and if it were to say "Written and sang by Kelly Clarkson" then she is a songwriter and she is a singer. That's my point. And no I am not claiming Kelly will get any such award (not now anyways...).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2005 14:30:51 GMT -5
the keyword being co-wrote... lol She wrote part of the bridge.Β That doesn't quite put her in the same league as Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan.
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Post by allow that on Jan 12, 2005 14:47:20 GMT -5
Yes Right, like I said you interpreted the definition very literally. In the literal sense, Kelly is a singer/songwriter but she CERTAINLY is not by any other way of looking at it. Otherwise Britney Spears and Brandy are also "singer/songwriters" :o
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Post by crash46 on Jan 12, 2005 15:23:05 GMT -5
Let's move this to the music forum if all's we're gonna talk about is pop stars and who writes what.
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Post by Joe1240 on Jan 13, 2005 8:04:45 GMT -5
A "singer/songwriter" doesn't necessarily have to start their career off writing their songs. However, they usually write most of their songs on their own, as well as playing something (guitar, piano, etc.) on their tracks. I'm supportive of Kelly and have liked some of her stuff, but I don't think she's written anything where she is the only writer credited. Also, to my knowledge, she hasn't played any instrument on her songs. One day, she could very well become more of a singer/songwriter, but she just isn't there yet. That means Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears are singer/songwriters then. Someone like Jewel is a singer/songwriter. The word has become as just as cliche as people calling Avril Lavigne/Michelle Branch Rock.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 13, 2005 9:25:18 GMT -5
I think Avril has a couple songs that qualify as rock and not pop/rock or rock/pop.
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