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Post by Focus on Jun 8, 2006 19:44:31 GMT -5
Timmay, I think you need a new factchecker. Try checking that IP again and up your stalker skills before trying to initimidate again. TIA
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Post by jezebel on Jun 8, 2006 20:18:06 GMT -5
Who needs to check IPs? A blind person can tell idaho is 7thfairway. Or did you mean her calling you Sandy?
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Post by TeddyR on Jun 8, 2006 21:03:44 GMT -5
Huh? Isn't your avatar made up of Japanese characters spelling Sandra? Why so defensive? Why would I need to check IPs for any reason? I guess you could be a fan of Sandra Dee or Sandy Duncan. Or maybe Sandy Cheeks. If not, and it isn't your own name, you should get a different avatar.
Oh, feel free to call me Tim.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 8, 2006 21:30:50 GMT -5
Who needs to check IPs? A blind person can tell idaho is 7thfairway. Yep. Some people are sooo obvious.
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Post by radioactive on Jun 16, 2006 18:18:15 GMT -5
An album of old cover songs. He's finished, done, over. DON'T DO IT CLAY!! I really hope this isn't his idea, because it's a bad one. If it's his labels, then he needs to learn to stick up for himself and insist on putting out something relevant/current.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jun 16, 2006 21:25:54 GMT -5
From his fan club blog, he basically said that it was Clive Davis' idea...he might be a genius on some ways, but I think he's dead wrong on this. There are also going to be several new songs on it, at least that's what was last said. I'm personally hoping that it gets changed up, but I think that even cover songs can be brought to new life by the right singer. Apparently they're aiming at the '80s and later, which thankfully isn't the same slow standards market many others are doing.
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TeddyR
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Post by TeddyR on Jun 21, 2006 9:00:46 GMT -5
Rumours are going around that RCA is playing some of the tracks from Clay's CD for DJs at the major stations to get some feedback from them. I wonder if they are doing that in order to decide on the lead single. Radio stations would probably be more likely to play something they had a hand in choosing.
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Post by radioactive on Jun 21, 2006 10:48:44 GMT -5
Rumours are going around that RCA is playing some of the tracks from Clay's CD for DJs at the major stations to get some feedback from them. I wonder if they are doing that in order to decide on the lead single. Radio stations would probably be more likely to play something they had a hand in choosing. Seriously? Did this scoop come from a reliable source? Do you mean they are getting a panel of DJ's together, or do you mean they've sent something to the individual stations? I haven't heard this news. I've actually heard nothing about this CD. Is it AC stations that they are targeting? Thanks so much for that information. It will be interesting to see/hear the outcome.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 22, 2006 18:54:55 GMT -5
The information comes from two different people with inside sources and was confirmed by a third. Apparently the first single was previewed to a few influential PDs and DJs in the USA and Canada and the response was very positive. Supposedly they liked the music and were impressed it came from Clay. No idea what stations were involved, but we were told that at least one was a Top 40 station.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Jun 22, 2006 19:21:24 GMT -5
Will the lead off single for this Clay Aiken album be his long-awaited cover of "I'm Coming Out" by Diana Ross?
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Post by addicted2u on Jun 22, 2006 22:30:40 GMT -5
Will the lead off single for this Clay Aiken album be his long-awaited cover of "I'm Coming Out" by Diana Ross? OMG. LOL.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 23, 2006 8:25:09 GMT -5
Will the lead off single for this Clay Aiken album be his long-awaited cover of "I'm Coming Out" by Diana Ross? I've seen enough of Clay's reaction to females when in interviews and dancing with his backups to believe he's straight, but really, what does it matter either way? What does that have to do with his singing or his talent? Seriously, why the fascination with his sexual orientation? Why does it matter? Unless you're fantasizing about sleeping with the guy, of course.
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Post by radioactive on Jun 23, 2006 9:41:24 GMT -5
LMAO!! I love that song. I bet he'd sound great singing it, but dammit, it's too upbeat for an album full of old love songs (yes, I know there will be 2 or 3 original songs, so you don't need to remind me ). Shandrim, you can smack my bum, if you want, for making fun of your Clay, but the picture of him singing that song is too funny not to comment on.
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Post by XandY on Jun 24, 2006 0:47:32 GMT -5
The information comes from two different people with inside sources and was confirmed by a third. Apparently the first single was previewed to a few influential PDs and DJs in the USA and Canada and the response was very positive. Supposedly they liked the music and were impressed it came from Clay. No idea what stations were involved, but we were told that at least one was a Top 40 station. Complete BS. Give a link or substantiate it with evidence - Oh wait! There is none. Even the crazy Claymates have given up hope this is real.
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Post by TeddyR on Jun 24, 2006 12:15:17 GMT -5
Do you have proof it didn't happen? Why is it so unbelievable that RCA would preview the songs for people at radio? I wouldn't call it BS.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 24, 2006 13:47:22 GMT -5
The information comes from two different people with inside sources and was confirmed by a third. Apparently the first single was previewed to a few influential PDs and DJs in the USA and Canada and the response was very positive. Supposedly they liked the music and were impressed it came from Clay. No idea what stations were involved, but we were told that at least one was a Top 40 station. Complete BS. Give a link or substantiate it with evidence - Oh wait! There is none. Even the crazy Claymates have given up hope this is real. It's pretty much standard practice to preview music for some top radio stations, but unless the DJs are stupid (like the writer of a song who posted on a fanboard that RCA had increased the budget for independent radio promotion to make sure his song got to #1 ) you won't see their opinions written online where they can come back and bite them in the ass. You only hear about it from inside sources and backchannel buzz. In this case that backchannel buzz is VERY positive. There are three different inside sources verifying the information, and I know who the inside source is for at least one of those, and it's very reliable. Of course, a lot of people claim to have inside sources when they don't, and it is extremely easy to make up anything and attribute it to a secret "inside source," so feel free to disbelieve any information from those sources. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. Since you yourself have made up countless bogus "insider" posts under your prior screen names I understand perfectly well why it would be almost impossible for you to believe any information claiming to come from a secret inside source.
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Post by XandY on Jun 29, 2006 14:04:54 GMT -5
Complete BS. Give a link or substantiate it with evidence - Oh wait! There is none. Even the crazy Claymates have given up hope this is real. It's pretty much standard practice to preview music for some top radio stations, but unless the DJs are stupid (like the writer of a song who posted on a fanboard that RCA had increased the budget for independent radio promotion to make sure his song got to #1 ) you won't see their opinions written online where they can come back and bite them in the ass. You only hear about it from inside sources and backchannel buzz. In this case that backchannel buzz is VERY positive. There are three different inside sources verifying the information, and I know who the inside source is for at least one of those, and it's very reliable. Of course, a lot of people claim to have inside sources when they don't, and it is extremely easy to make up anything and attribute it to a secret "inside source," so feel free to disbelieve any information from those sources. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. Since you yourself have made up countless bogus "insider" posts under your prior screen names I understand perfectly well why it would be almost impossible for you to believe any information claiming to come from a secret inside source. It's complete BS. The links and sources have been requested ad infinitum at every fansite and the main pop culture sites and theres NADA - ZILCH - ZERO. Even the most jaded Mates admit it's hokum. I'm interested in the critics reaction to the album. An album of covers by a young artist who sold 3 million copies of his debut is very odd. I wouldn't be surprised if the delay was RCAs attempt to try again to produce some original music. If Aiken ever wants to become an "A" list artist he'll have to have original music that is "his". Covers will never cut it. If the album does come out and is mostly covers with a few mushy ballads it'll get crucified by the critics for lack of creative merit alone. I don't like Aikens personality or his music and don't think he has the artistic ability to genuinely lose himself in the emotion of any song. I think he does have a basic understanding of the difference between an artist and a singer, knows he's not an artist, and will never become one. If Aiken somehow found himself in a song and felt it's power in his heart - he has the voice to make something special - but he's had the opportunity many times and has never been able to capture the magic. Aiken is a high quality copier covered with cheese - like a Zerox machine with a giant bag of Cheetos on top - not a serious artist with a special gift to stir the soul. The long delay is about the futile search for the artist in him.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 29, 2006 16:01:21 GMT -5
Don't worry grouchy, I mean idaho. I don't expect you to believe inside sources. Like I said, you have made up too many stories from bogus "inside sources" yourself to believe that others have real inside contacts. However, if you're genuinely interested you can cough up the money to join the official fan club and check the threads about album news. You'll find all the quotes you want there. Here is the link to the discussion.
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Post by XandY on Jun 30, 2006 3:28:05 GMT -5
Noone in history has had a more manic, militant, dedicated, tolerant, devoted, fanbase than Clay Aiken. Why? That question is the only reason I'm interested in his career. His fanbase is an anomaly - a strange bizarre "thing" that has a life of it's own. Aiken tapped into a frigid empty hole in the hearts of a unique group of loveless, lonely, middle aged, women. Passions bliss doesn't find everyone - many are left feeling cold, empty, and unloved despite marriage and children - these and those who are utterly alone are who the Claymates are. Their commonality of lovelessness and delight in their fusion in a cohesive group who found gratification in one another and the asexual singer who would never leave them or cheat on them or hurt them became an internet cult machine that pushed Clay Aiken to extraordinary heights he does not deserve nor will be able to maintain. I'm interested in the way it all plays out and the trainwreck that will inevitably end the delusion - a delusion that pushes many Claymates to worship Aiken as a deity, exort one another to spread the GOSPEL that Aiken is a "Great" man who will top ALL fo Elvis' and the Beatles accomplishemts in Pop music and then become President of the United States - annnnnnnnd of course he MUST be a heterosexual"red blooded" male. Delusions always end and when they do reality bites hard. I want to see it bite the Claymates in the butt - it'll be a hilarious once in a lifetime event - a Laugh-a-thon that will become a permanent fixture of Pop Culture Manna.
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Post by jezebel on Jun 30, 2006 12:29:28 GMT -5
Well I guess you must be a lonely elderly (over 50) man (since you claimed to be 52 when you were 7thfairway), so you really shouldn't be casting aspersions on what you think of the perceived age of anyone else's fanbase.
Based on your postings (under many names) here and all over the rest of many music boards Kelly Clarkson might have him beat, since you're her biggest fan.
ETA: And if this feels like a personal attack, go back and read your post(s). Just about every post you make, attacks anyone who is a fan of Clay Aiken's. It's ugly and it's getting old.
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Post by XandY on Jun 30, 2006 15:40:20 GMT -5
Well I guess you must be a lonely elderly (over 50) man (since you claimed to be 52 when you were 7thfairway), so you really shouldn't be casting aspersions on what you think of the perceived age of anyone else's fanbase. Based on your postings (under many names) here and all over the rest of many music boards Kelly Clarkson might have him beat, since you're her biggest fan. ETA: And if this feels like a personal attack, go back and read your post(s). Just about every post you make, attacks anyone who is a fan of Clay Aiken's. It's ugly and it's getting old. It's a pleasure to shake a few apples out of your tree. The "ugly" hearts of the "old" Claymates deserve all the agony Karma is just beginning to heap on them.
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Post by shandrim on Jun 30, 2006 20:39:49 GMT -5
I wonder how haters will react when Clay's new album debuts at #1 again and sells multiplatinum, not to mention when he's all over TV promoting it. I know I will savor the picture of heads exploding and grouchy people frothing at the mouth as I pay for Clay's new album. :)
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Post by XandY on Jul 1, 2006 11:34:54 GMT -5
I wonder how haters will react when Clay's new album debuts at #1 again and sells multiplatinum, not to mention when he's all over TV promoting it. I know I will savor the picture of heads exploding and grouchy people frothing at the mouth as I pay for Clay's new album. :) I'd like to ask you a question shandrim. Are you really so "lost" that you believe RCA and the entire rest of the music industry doesn't know that Clays album sales are counterfeit? - Vastly Inflated, 4,5,6, times as many as they should actually reflect - by crazy delusional old women who buy them by the dozens just to make it appear Aiken is more popular than he really is? Are you so deep in denial that you don't acknowledge this unique srange "multiple buying syndrome" anomaly is more pervasive among Clay Aiken fans than any other fans in America? Can't you see how it isolates Aiken in a cage of Claymate support he will never escape and denigrates him among the artists, musicians, producers, and executives in the industry? The rest of the industry will always minimize his success, with legitimate cause, and keep their distance from him - never allowing themselves to be associated with him or to get slimed by his fans. He can make some artificial waves and keep his name out there for a little while longer but once the new CDs material is dissected, analyzed, critiqued, and reveals the same unartistic, uninspired, wooden crap - only this time with covers (because Aiken didn't have the talent to put life into original songs) the publics memory of him will fade. The Mates will continue to make fools of themselves and waste their money but the mainstream public will forget everything about him except how creepy he was - as many already have. The evidence is that Aiken has never had a product endorsment - the business community knows Aikens support is overinflated, how polarizing he is, and that he would hurt their product much more than help it. Why aren't there all kinds of artists lining up to perform with Aiken? Why hasn't he been featured on a soundtrack or asked to do a duet with a "real" star on an award show or ANY kind ALL Star Show in any venue? He can get the Sedakas and Manilows of the world to give him a little moral support - but even that support is declining because they see how foolish, ignorant, and deluded, his hardcore fans are . "A" list artists won't give Aiken or his fans the time of day - today, tomorrow, or EVER.
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Post by Damage on Jul 1, 2006 12:41:00 GMT -5
Why isn't this in the main music section, if Clay has all this buzz and singles are getting listened to, etc?
What's the title of the CD going to be? It's supposed to be out by September, right? The only reason they can be pushing it back again and again and again is to spark a sales war. Because if it takes him years and years to do nice versions of cover songs, he's not as good a singer as I thought he was.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jul 1, 2006 17:43:14 GMT -5
He hasn't spent almost three years working on cover songs. This delay is largely the result of record label politics, which you seem to be quite familiar with. :) He first started working on a sophomore album in 2004, during and between tours. Apparently he and/or RCA weren't very happy with the songs submitted, so in 2005 he hired a new executive producer and started from scratch. That spring there was a songwriters' conference in Nashville held, with over 25 writers vying for a spot on the album. He previewed several new tracks on that summer's tour. It seemed as if for whatever reason (either the material submitted wasn't great - which I can believe, because it seems like it's harder for male pop artists who don't write to get decent songs than females - look at Nick Lachey's album, it wasn't deemed "commercial" enough, or whatever), Clive Davis called Clay in this January and basically told him (or 'suggested', close enough with a huge boss like that) that the album was going to have a majority of cover songs, with several originals. This is according to Clay's fan club blog, which seems to imply that it was Davis' decision. I believe it was, because he seems to be on a kick with releasing covers albums lately (Rod Stewart is coming out with '70s era covers this year). I think the compromise he managed to get might be that the eras are going to be from the '80s and '90s and therefore more modern than what Stewart and others have been doing. So basically, Clay has been working on this incarnation of the album for the past six months, which doesn't seem too bad, and I prefer to Beyonce recording her latest album in 2 weeks. Also, the fan club is holding a contest to guess what the initials of the album are...the title has four words in it.
I think the album will be successful. It probably won't be the one to shoot him into the superstar stratosphere, but it won't bomb no matter how many idiots (not you, + music) wish that it will. I think it'll be the album after this that expands it more. I think some minds that are willing to be opened might be. Does that make me crazy? Possibly [/Gnarls Barkley]
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Post by shandrim on Jul 1, 2006 18:47:39 GMT -5
Why isn't this in the main music section, if Clay has all this buzz and singles are getting listened to, etc? Because the singles are being listened to by DJs and music industry people, not fans. Somehow I don't imagine those industry types rushing over to Pulse to start a thread on Clay, can you? Seriously though, I haven't seen the point of starting a thread in main when there is no new music or a real release date to post, and I know at least a couple of other Clay fans here feel the same way. As soon as the music leaks to fans and we have confirmed, official news to discuss we'll start a thread on main. As splitchick explained, it hasn't taken him years and years just to record cover songs, but he has definitely taken about 6 months or so. I think that the fact that he has taken this long and this much care to record those covers shows that he is much more of a musician than most people give him credit for. If all he wanted to do was spit out routine covers or put out just anything knowing that fans would buy it, we would have had the album long ago. After all, during the Jukebox Tour he had a "stump the band" section where he took requests from the audience to sing basically any song from 1950 - 1990. He would confer with the band for just a minute or two and then with no rehearsal would sing at least part of the song, usually as much as he remembered. It was amazing to see how he could wail out songs with no preparation or rehearsal. After hearing what he could do with just a minute's preparation, I'm sure he could have cranked out 15 covers in a week or two if all he wanted was to get an album out there. That he has taken this much care shows that he really cares about the music, about quality production and about bringing something new and different to the table. I've even wondered if we might see a producer credit or two, but that is just pure speculation (and a little wishful thinking) on my part.
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Post by Damage on Jul 1, 2006 19:12:24 GMT -5
Oh wow. I had no idea. Damn, Clive is really screwing Clay. Who the hell wants to relive A.I. by doing cover songs How long have you been here? You know darn well people start album threads long in advance. Start one on clay's cd - the title is coming out like next week - everybody's buzzin, right!? So many fans, right? LOL. You know I gotta mess with you. Don't be skurred, shandrim. Go 'head. Start a thread. ;) Well I didn't know that whole story about the album that never was, so you can imagine how wack i thought he was for waiting all this time and then releasing a CD of covers. LOL, he's still wack for doing it, Clive or no. Come on, he's damn near 30 and he has one of the most rabid fanbases known to man, and he's too scared to tell clive no? LOL. At any rate, have fun guessing the CD title. Hope ya win!
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Post by XandY on Jul 1, 2006 19:56:31 GMT -5
Quite an understatement.
The unvarnished truth is there is NO positive explanation for why Aikens original album was scuttled. The unvarnished truth is there is NOTHING positive to spin, speculate, or LIE about to explain RCAs decision to turn Aikens ALL IMPORTANT sophmore CD into the last resort and worst case scenario for a young artist - a COVERS album. The unvarnished truth is Clay Aiken hasn't answered a single question in public - about ANYTHING - since the gay sex scandal broke in the tabloids. The unvarnished truth is Clay Aiken has NO album release date, NO Tour, NO single, and NOT a single album promo appearance scheduled that has been verified by ANYONE. The unvarnished truth is the Claymate speculation about the reasons the album has been scuttled and reduced to covers, and delayed, and delayed, and delayed - is C O M P L E T E BS.
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Post by Damage on Jul 1, 2006 20:16:42 GMT -5
Damn, all this talk about varnish - I feel like refinishing a deck, sh!t. Dude, I think he's kind of wack too, but you seriously have a grudge. Man just like flatten his tour bus tires or something and get it out of your system.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jul 1, 2006 20:29:27 GMT -5
yeah, I mean...damn. You can dislike Clay without being a total nutcase...
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