TeddyR
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Post by TeddyR on Jul 5, 2006 10:28:44 GMT -5
so apparently clay's release date is september 26th? I thought it was the 19th and Ruben was the 26th. I don't see how it will make that big of a difference if it is cover songs or original songs. Bo Bice had original music and didn't sell phenomenally well. Rod Stewart does unusually well with his GASB stuff. Michael Buble is doing OK with his CDs. Sheryl Crow has had a lot of luck in regards to radioplay with her covers. If the covers are well produced and sound fresh they will sell.
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Post by How Do You Do? on Jul 5, 2006 11:18:22 GMT -5
I don't see how it will make that big of a difference if it is cover songs or original songs. Bo Bice had original music and didn't sell phenomenally well. Rod Stewart does unusually well with his GASB stuff. Michael Buble is doing OK with his CDs. Sheryl Crow has had a lot of luck in regards to radioplay with her covers. If the covers are well produced and sound fresh they will sell. Doing an album of covers is going to make it more difficult to get radio play or attract new fans. Rod Stewart has a long career of doing original songs, so there is no comparison to Clay. Sheryl's primarily a singer-songwriter, so she is not a good comparison to Clay either. Michael Buble is probably the best comparison, but he had that campaign with Starbuck's to help his album sales which Clay doesn't have. I am not saying it's impossible that the new album sells well. It's just going to be a lot harder with no/very little original material.
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Post by HellonUrth on Jul 6, 2006 6:11:05 GMT -5
Many of Rod Sewart's early CDs were very cover heavy. His CDs were mixes of covers and originals and many of his biggest hits were covers. If Sheryl Crowe is different because she's a singer/songwriter then explain why her recent hits were covers and not songs she wrote. Michael Buble in no way compares to Clay. His CD had one original song and the remainder are old standards. Clay is not a crooner of old standards a la Frank Sinatra. All of the songs on Clay's debut were originals and he didn't croon a single one.
Where do people get these crazy impressions?
BTW. If Clay's fans had the kind of buying power that idaho and +music seem to think, and if they had these crazy orchestrated buying campaigns to inflate his sales to keep him on top, he'd still be in the Billboard 200 to this day.
Here is a perfect example of idaho's playing both sides of Bash Street. If his fans wanted to inflate his sales, this would have been a time to prove something. It didn't happen because they aren't doing what he claims.
No it isn't lame. The people who wanted the CD have bought it. CD sales decline over 3 years, just like the way Kelly's sales are dropping now. Breakaway is reaching the end of it's cycle as Thankful did and as Clay's debut has. No mystery there. If you say that declining sales indicates that a career is over or the fans are gone, then explain how it's normal for Kelly or any other artist to decline in sales but not for Clay after 3 years.
I've been watching and reading this board for a long time and the same few fans of another Idol repeat the same propoganda, over and over until the impressionable types begin to think it could be true. Have you noticed that the Clay fans post reasonable and mostly polite replies when the foul language and wildly exaggerrated claims tend to come from those same few? idaho is a well known character who posts at all of the sites where he is free to bash and trash Clay. It's his full time job. He brags about it at Sucks. He's had many new accounts here at Pulse and for some reason he always comes back, no matter how many times he's banned. I could write his posts for him, they are always the same. Career is over, inflated sales, phony RCA or music industry insider reports, gay accusations, repeating tabloid garbage, losing his fanbase, old fat ugly fans, Barry Manilow, blah blah blah. Same s**t different day. He bashes anyone he feels is a threat to Saint Kelly, Pink, Christina, Madonna, Gwen Stefani, Mariah Carey, and most of all Clay
Watch the Clay threads and you'll see little in the way of bashing of any other Idols from the Clay fans, but they will correct the lies and exaggerations made by others. The crazy claymate image is an agenda by those same few over the top angry rival idol fans. It isn't borne out in practise if you read the posts. You'll also notice wild claims that are not backed up with links or any proof, where the Clayfans provide links and quotes to back up their data.
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Post by lovingthemusic on Jul 6, 2006 8:46:53 GMT -5
Mikers - Great post and I totally agree with you on everything and everyone!!!
As for a cd of covers vs. non-covers, nobody really knows yet what will be on it. Although a cd full of covers would not be my first choice (although I don't really think it's going in that direction any longer), it's all about the voice. You may like or dislike Clay Aiken, but nobody can deny that the guy can sing.
It seems that the main problem is that people have an issue with his fans. He may have some over-the-top fans, but the majority of them are just dedicated to him and his music. Many artists would love to have that dedication.
I love all kinds of music, but my main interest is in artists that can actually sing without the help of all fancy mixings and vocal enhancements. Christina A., Josh G., Linda Eder and Clay Aiken are 4 artists right now that can really sing. Give them a microphone, and that is all that is needed.
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Post by Damage on Jul 6, 2006 21:35:57 GMT -5
Whoa whoa, pally, I backed my stuff up. Don't mix me and idaho up and group us together. It's just as unfair as when you claim to be slandered as clay fans. Thanks. My stuff is on point. You don't see me talking trash about clay being gay or not being gay or saying he's the devil or an angel. My posts are based in fact. Thanks. :)
Please don't make generalizations that include me, because you can link any post I've made and I'll back it up, unlike some fans of clay that I've been discussing things with.
The topic, once again, is clay's CD. :)
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HellonUrth
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Post by HellonUrth on Jul 6, 2006 22:45:32 GMT -5
You seem like a reasonable guy,+music, but you seem to be suffering from being exposed to BS Repetitivitis. I suppose if you read the same propoganda that the haters crank out day after day, you can't be blamed for absorbing it to some extent.
I'll take you up on the offer. Please back this up with links to actual proof of this. idaho's posts by his numerous iterations don't count. ;)
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Post by Damage on Jul 7, 2006 7:15:14 GMT -5
Can't do it here-mod already stepped in once.
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Post by vafan49 on Jul 7, 2006 15:04:35 GMT -5
I don't see this as a problem since Clay has said the album will have new songs as well as covers. So if it has six new songs on it, that should provide some great singles to release to radio.
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Post by cantremember on Jul 7, 2006 15:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by desertflower on Jul 14, 2006 19:55:54 GMT -5
What's with all the generalizations about Clay Fans. I don't get it. I like Clay, but I also like alot of other Artists. Christina, Mariah, Rob Thomas, Gwen..........I even like *gasp* Kelly.
I go on the Clay Message Boards, for the most part I see positive posts. If there is negativity it is usually related to her clothing choices. Yeah there are some people who don't like Kelly. I imagine there are people that don't like Clay.
I just have never seen any fan buy thousands of dollars worth of albums to inflate his sales. If it came with an autograph that might be a different story. The lady that spent the $15,000 for the handprints also received a tax deduction...it was for charity you know.
Now Covers aren't my first choice for a Sophomore Album for Clay. But reportably there are originals on the CD too. How many albums are all cuts meant to be hits? If you're lucky maybe 4. That still leaves at least 8 tracks. I think the album will do very well. Time will tell, I guess. I'm just anxious for a new album. It has been 3 years since he has released a Studio Album.
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Post by shandrim on Jul 15, 2006 10:10:51 GMT -5
It has been 3 years since he has released a Studio Album. It may be almost 3 years since his last mainstream album, but not from his last studio album. "Merry Christmas With Love" came out just 20 months ago.
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Post by doodlebug on Jul 15, 2006 23:28:55 GMT -5
While I would love some new songs too, I can handle any music that is good music. That is the focus for me. And if it's old songs sung a new or better way, then I don't really have a problem with it.
As to not getting new fans with it, maybe someone should have been checking out the AIMB. There were tons and tons of people there blown away by that 2 minute blurb of an "old cover song" that he sang on the show. And for the record tons of them did look to get MOAM but couldn't find them in the stores any more. Or the stores had a few and the sales people were telling them how they were all selling out. These were NOT Clay fans posting this. These were fans of the AI5 people. And they were all ages. The whole thing that Groucho keeps spouting about Clay's fans being old lonely dull stupid women is full of crud and he knows it. I have read from time to time on many different boards looking for info. There are tons of fans that are professional on there: doctors, lawyers, college professors, teachers, nurses, computer tech people. The reason his fans have so much data and video etc. on him is because some of them are extremely computer savvy and intelligent. They are also extremely generous in sharing information, music, pictures. They support many artists besides just Clay. I have seen tons of fans of Rob Thomas, Christina, Green Day, Usher, Mariah, Beyonnce, Kelly, Carrie, Madonna, FFF, Joplin, Bon Jovi, Springstein, the list goes on and on. Oh well, why bother. Anyone who has been around any boards here or elsewhere know the truth and about the haters and the agendas, whether they admit to it or not. There are lots of artists that would give anything to have the devotion of fans that he has and the support he gets. Not to mention that, yes, some of his fans really have money--there again it goes to that professional thing--they make big bucks and are willing to spend it. Why would any artists want to turn that away?
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