What's left for Mariah to achieve in her career?

[Ferrero]

We all knows that she's bent on breaking the Billboard records, she's going to do it anyway but what's next?

Some has said that she doesn't make a culture impact... some also says that her music is unmemorable, very unforgettable

Without making it a bashing thread, say what you expect from Mariah from her subsequent albums like what kind of music should she venture etc etc...

I personally feel that she should try abit of gospel, yeah i know its ironic from the music she's doing right now but i do like songs like Fly Like A Bird, My Saving Grace etc...

[tyrone25]

she should start by not being the world's oldest barbie doll, get a new look and sound, challange herself instead of being mediocre, she has a gift with her voice, she should use it.

Most #1 singles means nothing when half of them are widely regarded as fake or dodgy

I guess what I'm saying is she needs to get an opinion and continue learning instead of buying useless shit, getting her nails done and trying to look, talk and sound like a 20 year old heiress when she is nearly 40

[PaNdeM0niuM!]

I think mariah will start to experiement MORE once she breaks all the records left.

mariah only has 2 records left to break
- most weeks at #1 (80 weeks elvis)
- most #1 singles (20 beatles)

[staythenight]

Well she did say she will be making music well into her 60's.........so i expect once she is no longer commerically viable, her to continue and expand on her music, maybe more Gospel, Soul records.........BUT while she is still young and very relevant she needs to make TODAYS music.............regardless though i dont know if u can say there is anything left to achieve in her career, cause she is already a legend

[Fever]

She has yet to...

Achieve making good, interesting music.
Become as successful overseas as she is in the US.
Have uber-successful world tours.
Become an icon.
Make good videos.
Etc...

She's accomplished very little besides obsessively racking up #1 singles in the US and having huge sales in Japan in the 90s. Her achievements are commercial, nothing artistic.

[staythenight]

Numerous songwriters awards, more Grammy nomination than majority of her female peers, artists of the millenium awards to go along with many others thru her career, generally regarded as of the greatests voices in music, sold worldwide what most artists can only dream of and wish for......gave birth to a generation of Pop stars, and is one of the most reconizable figures in music since her debut!

s**tty career im sure

[mikeshere]

Mariah is very artistic... more than any of us know really.. name an artist who has the same amount of/ or close to the popularity of Mariah and writes her own music.... um... exactly Im sorry but when you are an artist at least to me and half the music industry.. its very credable when you write your own music, and have achieved the success that she has... If she constantly switched up her style, people would think she was pulling A Madonna, and just trying to sell records with racy new looks, and pics, and im sure a little controversy here and there too... No WAY.. I used to be the biggest Madonna fan.. until i started to realize what really made an artist.... Its not there look, or how much they get people talking... Its there voice and their ability to write their own music.. and then showing the audience their vision through a video... Mariah is all that wrapped in to one amazing Voice.. I mean this is music were talking about. How they sing and write it should really be what counts!! and NOBODY has that on Mariah!!

[Ferrero]

Mar 30, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5 Fever said:

She has yet to...

Achieve making good, interesting music.
Become as successful overseas as she is in the US.
Have uber-successful world tours.
Become an icon.
Make good videos.
Etc...

She's accomplished very little besides obsessively racking up #1 singles in the US and having huge sales in Japan in the 90s. Her achievements are commercial, nothing artistic.

what kind of interesting music do you expect from her? How do you consider overseas success?

[hidizzyguy]

Well... I'm sure this will get locked within a matter of posts.....

[Nevermind]

A heck of a lot. If a thread like this is being made, its very scary IMO. The whole point of a career is not to just make a few number ones and set some records, and thats it.

--Start experimenting with her sound, instead of recycling old songs. Make music with an opinion.
--Become an icon, and also start to have cultural impact
--Break the international market properly, because she's very much a local act. Her numbers even fell drastically in Japan after she departed from Sony.
--Start making influential videos, ones which aren't just her half naked frolicking about, and that actually mean something.
--Start selling out tours, and in the meantime, gain some more stage presence.

And theres probably a whole lot more...

[staythenight]

^ lol nah they just like to lock TMB threads

[Ferrero]

Mar 30, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -5 Nevermind said:

A heck of a lot. If a thread like this is being made, its very scary IMO. The whole point of a career is not to just make a few number ones and set some records, and thats it.

--Start experimenting with her sound, instead of recycling old songs. Make music with an opinion.

be more specific what kind of music you want from her?

[staythenight]

Couple of people keep saying be a Icon......well maybe if she makes a sex book, or a sex tape then she will reach ICONic level........but until then she is all about music (and writing music)......and in her 18 years so far she is a ICON

[Nevermind]

Mar 30, 2008 11:49:49 GMT -5 Ferrero said:

Mar 30, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -5 Nevermind said:

A heck of a lot. If a thread like this is being made, its very scary IMO. The whole point of a career is not to just make a few number ones and set some records, and thats it.

--Start experimenting with her sound, instead of recycling old songs. Make music with an opinion.

be more specific what kind of music you want from her?

I just want her to go out and do something different that will shock us, instead of repeating old formulas. Loverboy, Heartbreaker and Honey are all incredibly similar in sound. And both We Belong Together and Bye Bye have been described as One Sweet Day meets Breakdown, and she described Migrate as Its Like That meets The Roof. But she shouldn't be trying to replicate old hits, she should try something else. Change the formula a bit. heck she's even called this album TEOM Part II, thus its whole name! I want to see her diversify and change her sound on the next album, and take some risks. She could pull it off easily.

[PergiePerg]

Mar 30, 2008 11:33:11 GMT -5 @staythenight said:

Numerous songwriters awards, more Grammy nomination than majority of her female peers, artists of the millenium awards to go along with many others thru her career, generally regarded as of the greatests voices in music, sold worldwide what most artists can only dream of and wish for......gave birth to a generation of Pop stars, and is one of the most reconizable figures in music since her debut!

s**tty career im sure

Nah the Spice Girls did that/

[atlantaboy]

Mar 30, 2008 4:28:17 GMT -5 Ferrero said:

We all knows that she's bent on breaking the Billboard records

That's basically all she's done though (cause her songs get played simultaneously on CHR, Rhythmic, and Urban)...I'd really like to see her get a lasting CHR hit that people remember, and that sounds different from her other hits, and that stays in recurrent for decades - right now, even Pink, Alanis, and Kelly Clarkson seem like they'll have more replayed songs on CHR/HAC/AC than Mariah does

[tortuga]

Win an Oscar. Not for acting though! She should write a song for an Oscar baity movie and see where that takes her.

[Deleted]

Mar 30, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5 Fever said:

She has yet to...

Achieve making good, interesting music.
Become as successful overseas as she is in the US.
Have uber-successful world tours.
Become an icon.
Make good videos.
Etc...

She's accomplished very little besides obsessively racking up #1 singles in the US and having huge sales in Japan in the 90s. Her achievements are commercial, nothing artistic.

I see a small contradiction here between being successful in Japan and not being successful overseas.

Last time I checked you had to cross water to get from the US to Japan. Wouldn't that make it overseas?

[tyrone25]

Mar 30, 2008 6:56:17 GMT -5 PaNdeM0niuM! said:

I think mariah will start to experiement MORE once she breaks all the records left.

mariah only has 2 records left to break- most weeks at #1 (80 weeks elvis)
- most #1 singles (20 beatles)

um Madonna is about to break Elvis Presley's record of most Top 10 singles by any artist ever...........

and then there are the dance charts, album charts etc

[Eloqueen™]

I wouldn't mind her doing a light pop/rock album ala Breakaway. It would be really different for her, but I think it could work!

[Deleted]

Mar 30, 2008 15:58:12 GMT -5 tyrone25 said:

Mar 30, 2008 6:56:17 GMT -5 PaNdeM0niuM! said:

I think mariah will start to experiement MORE once she breaks all the records left.

mariah only has 2 records left to break- most weeks at #1 (80 weeks elvis)
- most #1 singles (20 beatles)

um Madonna is about to break Elvis Presley's record of most Top 10 singles by any artist ever...........

and then there are the dance charts, album charts etc

Not sure I understand why Madonna is in a Mariah thread ???

[PergiePerg]

Mar 30, 2008 16:26:08 GMT -5 @2m said:

Mar 30, 2008 15:58:12 GMT -5 tyrone25 said:

um Madonna is about to break Elvis Presley's record of most Top 10 singles by any artist ever...........

and then there are the dance charts, album charts etc

Not sure I understand why Madonna is in a Mariah thread ???

He was pointing out that Mariah hasn't broken every record.

[John77]

Maybe the all-time sales record for an artist...

And if anyone's calling "Thank God I Found You" or "Heartbreaker" #1 hits, then you might as well call every song by every artist that's ever hit the top 20 of the pop airplay charts a #1 hit as well.

[Deleted]

And there are other records beyond that, Madonna & Mariah do not hold every record.

[Deleted]

The original post seemed to me to imply that Mariah is about to break every record that she is within reach of.

There is a list of records a mile long that she won't break. Only a small fraction of those have anything to do with Madonna

[Ferrero]

it looks like people are always saying that they want to hear something new from Mariah, not songs with same old formulas everytime but don't really know exactly what kind of music

this is impossible but i still think she shd do a gospel album since she always say how close she is to GOD...

[when the pawn...]

Mar 30, 2008 11:56:07 GMT -5 Nevermind said:

Mar 30, 2008 11:49:49 GMT -5 Ferrero said:

be more specific what kind of music you want from her?

I just want her to go out and do something different that will shock us, instead of repeating old formulas. Loverboy, Heartbreaker and Honey are all incredibly similar in sound. And both We Belong Together and Bye Bye have been described as One Sweet Day meets Breakdown, and she described Migrate as Its Like That meets The Roof. But she shouldn't be trying to replicate old hits, she should try something else. Change the formula a bit. heck she's even called this album TEOM Part II, thus its whole name! I want to see her diversify and change her sound on the next album, and take some risks. She could pull it off easily.

I agree completely. She had artistic promise with a debut single like Vision Of Love (by far her best song IMO) and comparing that song's quality with something like Touch My Body is laughable. I don't know exactly what she should do but I know that she could easily shift gears/mature/experiement and could pull it off with her massive popularity. I wouldn't consider her a legend though, going back to the lack of memorable songs she has.

She might write a little but theres alot that goes on behind the scenes with writing credits so honestly, I'm not that convinced.

[Positive Tension]

Mariah has a lot left that she can achieve.

-She needs her Ray Of Light album. Mariah needs to experiment with music in a way she hasn't before and needs to become very introspective and reflective. She should experiment with styles and sounds no one would expect from her while still making it appealing to listen to.

-She should do what Sheryl Crow suggests other artists should do- making songs about a lot of important issues in the world and developing stances on these issues. In doing so, I think it'll make her identity a bit stronger.

-Stage presence, stage presence, stage presence! By the way Mariah looked on SNL, you would have thought it was her first time performing even though she's been performing for over 18 years. That's an area she should work on.

-I'd love for her to have huge tours, or at least for her to do more of them. They're very profitable and will help her reach a lot of people.

---

Yeah, that sounds critical, I know, but Mariah still has had an amazing career and will be considered a legend. It's actually exciting because while Mariah has been at the top of her game for so long, there are still ways she can really blow people away if she wanted to. And I think she will.

[die Lotterie]

Mar 31, 2008 0:09:23 GMT -5 Positive Tension said:

Mariah has a lot left that she can achieve.

-She needs her Ray Of Light album. Mariah needs to experiment with music in a way she hasn't before and needs to become very introspective and reflective. She should experiment with styles and sounds no one would expect from her while still making it appealing to listen to.

I partially agree, but I also would say that Butterfly was her Ray Of Light.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Mar 30, 2008 11:49:49 GMT -5 Ferrero said:

Mar 30, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -5 Nevermind said:

A heck of a lot. If a thread like this is being made, its very scary IMO. The whole point of a career is not to just make a few number ones and set some records, and thats it.

--Start experimenting with her sound, instead of recycling old songs. Make music with an opinion.

be more specific what kind of music you want from her?

Why are people so defensive?! I mean, if someone says they don't think she makes interesting music, well, they probably think so. If you expect someone to explain themselves because you're so defensive, why don't you say what it is about her music that makes it interesting? Different people value different aspects of music and songs. What makes them interesting is one of those things that differ.