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Post by jptexas on Oct 5, 2008 0:33:49 GMT -5
Ugh. I know it's tempting to cross-over to increase album sales, but I wish they would stop this. Oh well... Shania did it.. Faith Hill too... even BHC had a guitars up mix... I can't see why is bad that a country artist tries to crossover.. I don't believe this is correct. BHC crossed over as is. No guitar up mix.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 5, 2008 13:03:03 GMT -5
what about Bon Jovi's "Who Says You Can't Go Home"? i would consider that a country remix since he sent a whole different version to country than to Pop. but thats a whole new recording....im talking bout taking the same recording and mixing in new parts along with the old....like for example the "teardrops on my guitar" remix.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 5, 2008 13:20:09 GMT -5
I don't see the point in remixes either. It's nearly as bad as all the "dance mix"es from the 1993-1994 era. They extented the instrumental breaks, then threw in louder drums and a few sound effects, and maybe looped a few more parts.
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Post by un4gitible on Oct 6, 2008 10:27:20 GMT -5
The only thing that 'bugs' me about doing a POP mix is that if someone buys the cd based on the song they hear on POP they very well may be disappointed.
With Taylor's previous songs that have had a POP mix I've always loved the Country one more but with this song, I have to say, I love them both equally and maybe I love the POP one more.
If Taylor is going to have POP remixes of all her songs, I think she should put out two versions of her cd (like I believe Shania did) - one POP, one Country so the buyer knows what they are getting before they purchase.
I can't believe her cd is only a month from release! EEEEEEEEEEEE! She should be #1, easily, by the time it drops. I'm thinking she'll be on her 2nd week at #1 and will have atleast one more week after that at the top.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 6, 2008 10:28:21 GMT -5
I don't see the point in remixes either. yea i generally dont like remixes but sometimes it works: 1. i didnt like pinks "u + ur hand"....but the dance remix was awesome. 2. also on a slow song lke "no air' by j.sparks....u kinda get tired of it cause its slow....so after its out awhile they play the upbeat dance remix & it freshens it up alot.
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Post by trailer on Oct 6, 2008 11:40:29 GMT -5
While I'm not a huge Taylor Swift fan, I find her voice to be really growing on me. Perhaps it's the fact that it's not "perfect." Very recognizable and full of character.... not sure... but I'm kinda digging this song. And it's waaaayyy outside my usual listening patterns.
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Post by austin on Oct 7, 2008 19:39:13 GMT -5
This song is spending it's first week in the top 10 this week, at #9. She seems primed to hit number one in about five weeks, which should make it a week or so after the album drop date. My guess is she will either get another nice long stay at the top like her first number one, "Our Song", which hit #1 at a similar time, or the song will fade right before December after 2 weeks or so at the top and fall hard. In either case, a new single should drop in February.
I think it's sorta all or nothing with this one. (2 weeks at the top or 6-7 weeks).
On a side note, I am still rather disappointed "Sparks Fly" was left off the album tracklisting. Definitely one of my favorites from her.
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Post by EPG on Oct 7, 2008 20:10:05 GMT -5
Oh well... Shania did it.. Faith Hill too... even BHC had a guitars up mix... I can't see why is bad that a country artist tries to crossover.. I don't believe this is correct. BHC crossed over as is. No guitar up mix. You are correct. BHC never had any type of remix.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 7, 2008 20:45:08 GMT -5
We've now heard from three Carrie fans that BHC was not remixed. One was enough. We get it. Good for them, but either way, it's honestly not a big deal. Many artists have done it, and many will after Taylor. For me, the fact that other artists have remixed their songs for Pop doesn't make the fact that Taylor is following suit any better, because I see it as a pander to a musically closed-minded audience and I don't think the remixes have served any real artistic purpose. The way I see it, if an artist is going to release an alternate version of a song, it should be a genuine alternate interpretation of the song, something that remains true to the spirit of the song. The remixes of Taylor's songs have consistently failed to do that and the "Love Story" remix just makes the song sound silly (OK, I think the lyrics are silly, anyway, but I could see why the song was thought to have its charm in its original form). All that the remixes have done is replace stereotypically country instrumentation with electric guitars and beats, without even adjusting the vocal to match the new instrumentation. I've yet to hear a remix of a Taylor song where the new instrumentation represented value added, because I've found the changes to be intrusive and distracting. In Taylor's case, the remixes reflect the apparent belief that Pop radio programmers and listeners will hear a banjo and think it threatens the very existence of Pop music or some such thing. OK, that's an exaggeration. But my point is, I don't respect a change that reflects a belief that listeners are so closed-minded, they won't respond to the same melody and vocal in the wake of somewhat unfamiliar instrumentation. To me, that's a pander and it basically reinforces musical narrow-mindedness. I would have more respect for an effort that upheld the integrity of the song without worrying about challenging listeners and programmers with something that's somewhat unfamiliar. Instead, it seems to me that Big Machine/Taylor have chosen the facile route of quick, sloppy instrumental changes that will give Pop listeners something closer to what they're used to in an effort to facilitate making a buck. Bottom line is that in my view, if you're going to do a remix/alternate version, the integrity of the song should remain paramount, and that means making sure any new arrangements make sense for the song. If you're going to do a remix or alternate version, go all out and rerecord the song so everything fits together in the new version. In the case of the "Love Story" pop mix (and, frankly, the rest of Taylor's remixes), I don't believe that has happened.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 7, 2008 21:51:30 GMT -5
I don't believe this is correct. BHC crossed over as is. No guitar up mix. You are correct. BHC never had any type of remix. Which is not true. I have the "Guitar Ups" remix that was sent to CHR/Top 40 radio. I absolutely cannot stand it when any fans take shots at the arch rival artist in spite of the clear hypocrisy that is involved. If you feel like you have to demean Taylor, or any other artist for that matter, to prop Carrie up, then quite frankly, Carrie Underwood doesn't deserve you as a fan. Get off your high horse and stop insisting on dragging others down. Dudley - you can delete this post, warn me in a post or PM, or ban me, frankly I don't care. I'm so sick and tired of this "xxx does it wrong and xxx does it right and can do no wrong." Thank you for letting me vent this out.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 7, 2008 21:59:13 GMT -5
All that the remixes have done is replace stereotypically country instrumentation with electric guitars and beats, without even adjusting the vocal to match the new instrumentation. I've yet to hear a remix of a Taylor song where the new instrumentation represented value added, because I've found the changes to be intrusive and distracting. This is a wonderful point to be made. I agree with your assessment that none of the remixes from Taylor's camp (and I say her camp because we don't know if she has final approval of the mixes) have done anything to enhance or change the dynamic of the song. I wish to give an example: People often criticize Shania for her international version of Come On Over almost 3 years after the original album was released here in the US. If you listen to the albums back-to-back, yes, the lyrics and melodies are the same. But there are fundamental differences in the sound and interpretation of the songs. Emphasis is placed on different riffs, extra riffs/beats are added to the songs, and the songs, outside their cores, do pander, and quite well, to the dance/techno audiences of Europe. The songs on the international album are much more fast paced and much more rock-beat driven than their country partners. Yes, most of the steel, mandolin, and several sections of the dual fiddle are gone; however in some places the country sections are enhanced (see "Don't Be Stupid") to add more pulsation, if you will, to the song. So, after saying all that, I do agree that Taylor's remixes have had little impact in the way the song is changed. However, let us not forget that the "Teardrops" remix was a huge success. We've also seen Rascal Flatts make very subtle changes to the song (see "What Hurts The Most") and had great success. But it is also clear that these remixes are not meant for dance clubs (see LeAnn Rimes, Faith Hill), and I think once again, the camp is missing out on the meaning of "remixed."
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 7, 2008 22:07:13 GMT -5
Nah, I'll let your post stay, SGG, inflammatory though it is. I don't fully agree with you, as Carrie is on record as having refused to remix BHC and if I'm not mistaken, the remix was pulled after a very short period of availability, with the original mix receiving the vast, vast majority of the spins (that was certainly true in the NYC area on our CHR/Pop, Hot AC and AC stations). So I don't believe the situations are comparable. Your belief, SGG, that the comments are motivated by fan-warring shouldn't cloud your ability to recognize the very real differences between the two situations.
That said, I do think a few Carrie fans (though by no means all or even most and not even every Carrie fan that has posted in this thread) should be more aware of how their posts about Taylor can come off, especially as people can check posting histories and will be quick to assume fan-warring and/or disingenuousness. The same is true of some Taylor fans, and, for that matter, the people who like to generalize about any fanbase, be it Carrie's, Taylor's, or someone else's.
All that said, SGG has a long and respected posting history here, so when he rants, it's for a reason. His post is NOT to be treated as a fanwar springboard. I don't want to read Carrie fans defending themselves. I don't want to read pile-ons attacking Carrie fans. His post stands alone, because he has earned the right to rant once in a while. Just read his post and move along (and make sure you stay on topic).
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Post by zaclord on Oct 7, 2008 22:29:34 GMT -5
EDITED: for being disrespectful and dismissive. and for discouraging other posters from being part of a valid and at times interesting discussion.according to this "Love Story" has 110 spins on Pop so far this week. but that is not the official panel so it could have more or less. i hope it can be successful on Pop. on Country she continues to fly: 9 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Love Story 3035 2586 449 22.823 she is now ahead of Tim in AI's but is still over 8 million AI's behind Carrie, so she won't be moving up rapidly anymore. i think this could catch the Holiday weeks like OS did last year. i am really loving this song now! i am glad Taylor is finding great success in Country. NEXT WEEK "FEARLESS" (the song) GOES ON iTUNES!!! i can't wait to hear the studio recording of that song!
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Post by robrt30 on Oct 8, 2008 14:50:43 GMT -5
she is now ahead of Tim in AI's but is still over 8 million AI's behind Carrie, so she won't be moving up rapidly anymore. i think this could catch the Holiday weeks like OS did last year. i am really loving this song now! i am glad Taylor is finding great success in Country. It does seem like a slam dunk #1 (it's my favorite Taylor song since OS), but the only caution flag is that it hasn't moved much on the Callout Chart yet (key word: yet) as it was #35 on Oct. 1 and it's #34 as of yesterday.
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Post by what on Oct 8, 2008 15:47:29 GMT -5
I think it's sorta all or nothing with this one. (2 weeks at the top or 6-7 weeks). imo, thats too much, and i dont think itll happen. sugarland's song isn't far behind love story, and i think is keeping pace w/ the spin and ai gains. brad and keith's song too, esp since i think its also gonna get the same push taylor will be gettng soon since its also a lead single. i dont think itll get the benefit of the holiday freeze our song did. i see 2 weeks before sugarland takes over.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 9, 2008 13:12:43 GMT -5
#1 on the Hot 100, anyone? I think she can do it.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 9, 2008 13:16:35 GMT -5
Hot 100 or Hot Country Songs?
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 9, 2008 13:22:34 GMT -5
Hot 100 or Hot Country Songs? both.
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Post by nsfb17 on Oct 9, 2008 14:38:55 GMT -5
I REALLY doubt she'll make it to #1 on the Hot 100. The competition is just too fierce right now. She definitely isn't going to pass up Britney or T.I., and there are a lot of other artists she'd have a tough time beating, too. I'm guessing #5 will be her peak.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Oct 9, 2008 15:47:07 GMT -5
I REALLY doubt she'll make it to #1 on the Hot 100. The competition is just too fierce right now. She definitely isn't going to pass up Britney or T.I., and there are a lot of other artists she'd have a tough time beating, too. I'm guessing #5 will be her peak. Agreed. There is no way she will get #1, especially with Britney/Yonka etc comin up
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 9, 2008 17:24:56 GMT -5
the hot 100 is a joke chart now anyway.
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Post by Marv on Oct 9, 2008 20:25:59 GMT -5
'Our Song' didn't hit #1 until Dec. 16th; this song will be either falling down the charts or gone to recurrentsville (at least at Country Aircheck/Mediabase) by that same date this year.
'Love Story' will undoubtedly not need the seventeen weeks to get to #1 that 'Our Song' did either; the dreaded 'holiday freeze' (which doesn't exist anyway) is nothing to worry about.
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Post by realityBITES on Oct 9, 2008 21:09:07 GMT -5
Taylor has been hit and miss for me since she debuted, but this -- by far -- is my favorite from her. It's a great song.
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Post by heartbreaklullaby on Oct 9, 2008 23:17:08 GMT -5
#1 on the Hot 100, anyone? I think she can do it. i don't think she can on Hot 100. the song is falling at the moment
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Post by DCXfan on Oct 10, 2008 11:03:14 GMT -5
the dreaded 'holiday freeze' (which doesn't exist anyway) Thank you... I was wondering if I was the only one on this board who knew that.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 10, 2008 16:57:54 GMT -5
#1 on the Hot 100, anyone? I think she can do it. i don't think she can on Hot 100. the song is falling at the moment yea again to show what a joke the hot 100 has become the #1 song this week is by t.i. & it jumped all the way from #80 to #1 (i think thats a record)....its in the 50's in airplay but because of the 1st week downloads it went to #1....what a joke. ps. taylor is shot on the hot 100.
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Post by Spidey on Oct 11, 2008 11:54:33 GMT -5
9 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Love Story 3363 2802 561 24.339
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Post by Rumors on Oct 13, 2008 17:23:40 GMT -5
I don't think this song is as catchy as her previous singles.
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Post by nsfb17 on Oct 13, 2008 17:27:38 GMT -5
I don't think this song is as catchy as her previous singles. Finally someone who agrees with me! I like this song, but it's definitely her worst single so far. It doesn't even compare to 'TM', 'TOMG', 'PTB' or 'OS'.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 13, 2008 17:54:48 GMT -5
I don't think this song is as catchy as her previous singles. Finally someone who agrees with me! I like this song, but it's definitely her worst single so far. It doesn't even compare to 'TM', 'TOMG', 'PTB' or 'OS'. what about "SSN" ?
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