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Post by countryqueen on Oct 25, 2008 17:34:33 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, but how are Just a Dream and/or Flat on the Floor controversial at all? I haven't heard a bit of it, and can't imagine what would cause it. ummm isn't flat on the floor about an abusive boyfriend?
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Post by Massikur on Oct 25, 2008 17:36:47 GMT -5
Ummm....I don't think so. I've never heard that interpretation before and I don't think the lyrics hint to such a meaning.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 25, 2008 18:44:33 GMT -5
4 Country #1's off back-to-back albums... didn't ever imagine it was possible, but gosh it looks like she's going to do it. Amazing! :) just not on billlboard. ;)
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Post by casanova on Oct 25, 2008 18:48:57 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, but how are Just a Dream and/or Flat on the Floor controversial at all? I haven't heard a bit of it, and can't imagine what would cause it. ummm isn't flat on the floor about an abusive boyfriend? That's the way I interpreted it.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 25, 2008 21:50:25 GMT -5
I've never thought "Flat on the Floor" is about escaping an abusive relationship, but some people do. I've always thought the whole taking shelter from the storm/damage thing is a metaphor for a tumultuous/stormy relationship. I guess that doesn't exclude the possibility of abuse, but I don't think the lyric "Baby, baby, baby, tell me how/You think you're gonna live without my love now" is consistent with the abuse interpretation. It sounds like a challenge to the guy, but not one that a woman escaping abuse would issue.
I've always taken "Flat on the Floor" as being from the viewpoint of a woman taking a stand about leaving a relationship that she has had trouble leaving because she is still attracted to the guy. I don't think co-writer Ashley Monroe has said anything about the song being about getting out of an abusive relationship, either (she performed the song as part of her Studio 330 sessions for CMT, and talked about it a bit).
In any case, I don't think "Just a Dream" has been particularly controversial; most people seem to agree it is a personal narrative rather than political commentary. And I don't think FotF would be seen as controversial, either, though I could be wrong.
If Arista Nashville is looking for an uptempo single next, FotF is probably the best offering in terms of a hook (although "Get Out of This Town" has some excellent hooks, as well), and I think it's a lyrically interesting song, too. I just wish they would send out a live version of the song instead, because Carrie's energy in the live version is better controlled than in the studio version. "Crazy Dreams" and "I Told You So" are my favorite songs from the album, and I would be really pleased if either of those were released. "Crazy Dreams" has always evoked a peppy 80s Dolly Parton country-pop song, so I think it's country enough -- it's just the drum machine that suggests otherwise. And it's just such a Carrie song. And "I Told You So" is just a great song. Plus, it brings out an appealing vulnerability in Carrie's voice (though here again, her concert version improves on the studio version).
It's interesting that there seems to be no consensus whatsoever among Carrie fans as to what the next single should be. Not that fans are the ones whose feedback should decide this -- feedback from the general listening public would be more instructive, I would think. "The More Boys I Meet" has its advocates, but also a lot of naysayers (me included -- I like that it reflects Carrie's sense of humor, but I think it's oversung). "I Know You Won't" is a concert favorite, but there's a lot of doubt as to whether it would work on radio -- I think Carrie's connection to it really shines live. And as for "Twisted," I really love how Carrie sounds on it, but the song itself is disposable pop fluff. I don't think it is even in consideration for single status, thankfully.
So it will be interesting to see what the label chooses. I find myself rooting for "I Told You So." In the meantime, it's nice to see "Just a Dream" poised to become Carrie's fourth #1 from Carnival Ride.
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Post by Massikur on Oct 26, 2008 6:59:55 GMT -5
4 Country #1's off back-to-back albums... didn't ever imagine it was possible, but gosh it looks like she's going to do it. Amazing! :) just not on billlboard. ;) Not true. "Don't Forget to Remember Me" peaked at #1 on the Radio and Records chart back in 2006 when R&R was a seperate, official, chart. Now that R&R and Billboard have merged, both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years. Therefore, "Jesus, Take The Wheel " "Don't Forget to Remember Me" "Before He Cheats" "Wasted" "So Small" "All-American Girl" "Last Name" and come tonight at midnight, "Just a Dream" will ALL be considered #1 hits on the Billboard chart. Moreover, for all intents and purposes, I'd like to point out that DFTRM is the ONLY one of Carrie's singles that didn't achieve #1 status on Billboard in the traditional manner. All other seven singles hit #1 and most of which at multi-week runs at the top. ;)
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Post by Marv on Oct 26, 2008 9:42:06 GMT -5
'Just A Dream' is your new #1 at Mediabase/Country Aircheck, and will undoubtedly get at least two weeks in the penthouse.
She's tied Brad Paisley's streak of eight straight charttoppers, as well as the Judds, who closed out their own identical streak with 'Cry Myself To Sleep' twenty years ago.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 26, 2008 9:54:19 GMT -5
just not on billlboard. ;) Not true. "Don't Forget to Remember Me" peaked at #1 on the Radio and Records chart back in 2006 when R&R was a seperate, official, chart. Now that R&R and Billboard have merged, both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years. I'll take one for the team this time, although I'm beginning to think we should have some autotext in each Carrie single thread on the subject. When Billboard Chart Alert comes out on Wednesday, you will see that, in acknowledging JaD hitting #1, it will note that this is Carrie's 7th #1, not her 8th. So it is -not- true that "both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years" -- Billboard uses its own chart in tallying an artist's #1s and has not incorporated Radio & Records stats from before the merger. You can fairly say that Carrie will have eight #1s so far based on the Radio & Records chart, but Billboard will acknowledge seven so far on its chart. Here's a blurb from Fred Bronson's Billboard Chart Beat from when Carrie hit #1 with "Last Name" (cribbing from leilamaurizia's post in the Billboard Top Country Albums/Single #1s thread), which indicates that Billboard considers "Last Name" to be Carrie's sixth chart-topper:Just to make things more confusing, Billboard says LN was Carrie's fourth #1 in a row instead of her fifth because "Before He Cheats," though the third Some Hearts single, charted before second single "Don't Forget to Remember Me."
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Post by Jonsolo on Oct 26, 2008 10:14:45 GMT -5
Not true. "Don't Forget to Remember Me" peaked at #1 on the Radio and Records chart back in 2006 when R&R was a seperate, official, chart. Now that R&R and Billboard have merged, both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years. I'll take one for the team this time, although I'm beginning to think we should have some autotext in each Carrie single thread on the subject. When Billboard Chart Alert comes out on Wednesday, you will see that, in acknowledging JaD hitting #1, it will note that this is Carrie's 7th #1, not her 8th. So it is -not- true that "both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years" -- Billboard uses its own chart in tallying an artist's #1s and has not incorporated Radio & Records stats from before the merger. You can fairly say that Carrie will have eight #1s so far based on the Radio & Records chart, but Billboard will acknowledge seven so far on its chart. Here's a blurb from Fred Bronson's Billboard Chart Beat from when Carrie hit #1 with "Last Name" (cribbing from leilamaurizia's post in the Billboard Top Country Albums/Single #1s thread), which indicates that Billboard considers "Last Name" to be Carrie's sixth chart-topper:Just to make things more confusing, Billboard says LN was Carrie's fourth #1 in a row instead of her fifth because "Before He Cheats," though the third Some Hearts single, charted before second single "Don't Forget to Remember Me." Thanks, dudley, as I was resisting the urge to post a reply similar to yours. I was also going to use the analogy of the NBA and NFL not recognizing the champions of the ABA and AFL, before those two leagues were absorbed by the big boys.
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Post by Massikur on Oct 26, 2008 10:22:07 GMT -5
Not true. "Don't Forget to Remember Me" peaked at #1 on the Radio and Records chart back in 2006 when R&R was a seperate, official, chart. Now that R&R and Billboard have merged, both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years. I'll take one for the team this time, although I'm beginning to think we should have some autotext in each Carrie single thread on the subject. When Billboard Chart Alert comes out on Wednesday, you will see that, in acknowledging JaD hitting #1, it will note that this is Carrie's 7th #1, not her 8th. So it is -not- true that "both charts have to acknowledge the statistics both gathered over the years" -- Billboard uses its own chart in tallying an artist's #1s and has not incorporated Radio & Records stats from before the merger. You can fairly say that Carrie will have eight #1s so far based on the Radio & Records chart, but Billboard will acknowledge seven so far on its chart. Here's a blurb from Fred Bronson's Billboard Chart Beat from when Carrie hit #1 with "Last Name" (cribbing from leilamaurizia's post in the Billboard Top Country Albums/Single #1s thread), which indicates that Billboard considers "Last Name" to be Carrie's sixth chart-topper:Just to make things more confusing, Billboard says LN was Carrie's fourth #1 in a row instead of her fifth because "Before He Cheats," though the third Some Hearts single, charted before second single "Don't Forget to Remember Me." Thanks for your response dudley, but that's not what I have heard at all. I was told by many people what I posted was true and that the fact is Carrie DOES have 7 #1 singles under her belt. But I suppose it doesn't matter--I know it hit #1, other fans know it hit #1, and Carrie knows it hit #1, and that's all that matters. Besides, she still has more #1 singles than most female country stars in this day and age.
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Post by John77 on Oct 26, 2008 10:53:48 GMT -5
'Just A Dream' is your new #1 at Mediabase/Country Aircheck, and will undoubtedly get at least two weeks in the penthouse. She's tied Brad Paisley's streak of eight straight charttoppers, as well as the Judds, who closed out their own identical streak with 'Cry Myself To Sleep' twenty years ago. I'm kind of half hoping she ends this era now, rather than risking the streak with a 5th single from Carnival Ride.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 26, 2008 11:33:34 GMT -5
Thanks for your response dudley, but that's not what I have heard at all. I was told by many people what I posted was true and that the fact is Carrie DOES have 7 #1 singles under her belt. But I suppose it doesn't matter--I know it hit #1, other fans know it hit #1, and Carrie knows it hit #1, and that's all that matters. Besides, she still has more #1 singles than most female country stars in this day and age. Yes, but you'll find here that the above statement doesn't matter. This is a chart oriented board and crowd, and we go by what Billboard says, not Carrie Underwood, not Arista Nashville, not CU fans. And yes, she does have more #1s than many of the females that have charted in the last few years, but she still has not outsold most of them, and let's be frank, it's sales not singles that really matter.
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Post by DCXfan on Oct 26, 2008 11:33:35 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, but how are Just a Dream and/or Flat on the Floor controversial at all? I haven't heard a bit of it, and can't imagine what would cause it. ummm isn't flat on the floor about an abusive boyfriend? I don't think so. But even if it were, what makes that controversial? Songs like Goodbye Earl -- those are controversial, for obvious reasons. Simply mentioning war or abuse doesn't mean you're taking some huge artistic risk. Sometimes I worry that modern music tries so hard to be mainstream that we grow to expect bland, cookie-cutter messages. JAD and FOTF aren't like that, and I applaud Carrie as an artist for it -- it's great. But they're certainly not controversial, either. Generally, for there to be controversy, there has to be an opposing side arguing that the song shouldn't have been recorded or released based on X reasons -- and I haven't seen that.
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Post by Stephen on Oct 26, 2008 11:41:22 GMT -5
John, I hope they release FOTF and then finish the album off with IKYW. I have no dobuts that FOTF is capable of going to #1, and, honestly, I can see that song crossing over if she is to perform it at the Grammys (which I can 99% guarantee she will be invited to perform at). Then, we have IKYW which, although may only make the top 3, or, GOD FORBID, top 5 on country radio, will prove to everyone how Carrie is currently the best vocalist in country music and one of the best in the music scene as a whole. The label needs to start taking risks because, honestly, NONE of the singles this era were very risky. Not even FOTF is risky, but it could help her cross over if the label is looking for a hit a la BHC.
Side Note: Even if IKYW fails to reach #1 on Country, the song would dominate on the AC chart, so her #1 streak may stay alive. I know, people probably don't want to hear that, but it's true.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 26, 2008 11:59:09 GMT -5
If she does decide to release another single I'm hoping for FOTF.. it's my favourite on her album. But I agree with John, it depends if they're willing to risk ruining the streak. But FOTF is amazing and should have no trouble getting to #1.
PS- Congrats to Carrie on another #1!
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Post by lyrichord on Oct 26, 2008 13:37:31 GMT -5
I kinda agree with John, I don't think any of the rest of the songs are Carnival Ride "sound like" #1's, which is why I was originally hoping she'd re-release the album with a few new tracks that could go to radio. The only track I personally like enough to root for as a single would be "You Won't Find This," the other tracks are too loud or too annoying IMO, or too pop for country radio.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 26, 2008 14:31:52 GMT -5
Thanks for doing that, dudley! Good thing you did it as yours was a reasonable (and patient) post. I'm at the point where I just wanted to post "UGH! Not this again!" Having said that, I do have to disagree with SGG's comment that the chart-oriented crowd here goes by Billboard and nothing else. I'm chart-oriented too, or at least I like chart-watching, and I do acknowledge the fact that JAD will be Carrie's 7th Billboard #1. That is a fact, yes. However, I also do acknowledge that JAD will be Carrie's 8th #1. I just don't see it as a mutually exclusive thing where it has to be one (7 #1s!) or the other (8 #1s). The crowd here being chart-oriented, I would think everyone's more or less aware of how things go with counting statistics, whether top-10, top-20, #1 and so on for all artists and distinguishing on which publication. In other words, Billboard's stuff is easy-to-find; for old R&R stats, ask Marv :) And having said that... I'll include myself when I say again: UGH! Not this again!
As for the next single-- it's probably too much to hope for a live version... of any CR track. All the live versions of the CR songs kick the butts of the album versions, except maybe for "Wheel of the World," which isn't in contention anyway.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 26, 2008 14:37:45 GMT -5
Having said that, I do have to disagree with SGG's comment that the chart-oriented crowd here goes by Billboard and nothing else. I'm chart-oriented too, or at least I like chart-watching, and I do acknowledge the fact that JAD will be Carrie's 7th Billboard #1. Let me clarify. What I meant was that if Billboard says that it's not counting R&R, then I believe this crowd obeys that. That's not to rule out that she didn't get a #1 on R&R. She did. And that counts, just like MCA counts several charts to get 30 #1s for Reba, 50 #1s for George, etc. I'm just saying that, when talking about Billboard records, you can't include DFTRM because, by Billboard's standards, it was not a #1 hit. Hopefully that clears up my post. :) I would agree that it would be VERY rare for Arista to ship a live version of a track to radio. I've stated this before, but I'm rooting for "I Told You So." I don't think "I Know You Won't" or "Get Out Of This Town" would work on country (unless they re-record the live version), and I'm not a fan of "The More Boys I Meet." I could see "Crazy Dreams" as a single, but I don't think its the strongest choice.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 26, 2008 14:47:56 GMT -5
Let me clarify. What I meant was that if Billboard says that it's not counting R&R, then I believe this crowd obeys that. That's not to rule out that she didn't get a #1 on R&R. She did. And that counts, just like MCA counts several charts to get 30 #1s for Reba, 50 #1s for George, etc. I'm just saying that, when talking about Billboard records, you can't include DFTRM because, by Billboard's standards, it was not a #1 hit. Hopefully that clears up my post. :) We're completely on the same page No insider information, SGG? Is it even a sure thing that the label will be sending out a 5th single? And if so, will it be after the holiday freeze? Am I asking too many questions?
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Post by Massikur on Oct 26, 2008 15:00:10 GMT -5
Well, I absolutely apologize for making you reiterate your comments, leilamaurizia. I understand how stressful it must be to have to set everyone straight on the topic, because obviously you have so many better things to do than sit around dictating comments about Carrie Underwood on a message board. Again, indeed I'm very sorry for making you go "UGH, not this again!" Maybe next time NO ONE should share their thoughts unless they're preapproved by you, ShaniaGottaGood, or Dudley, how about that?
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Post by drock89 on Oct 26, 2008 15:11:23 GMT -5
Well, I absolutely apologize for making you reiterate your comments, leilamaurizia. I understand how stressful it must be to have to set everyone straight on the topic, because obviously you have so many better things to do than sit around dictating comments about Carrie Underwood on a message board. Again, indeed I'm very sorry for making you go "UGH, not this again!" Maybe next time NO ONE should share their thoughts unless they're preapproved by you, ShaniaGottaGood, or Dudley, how about that? Well if you'd drop your sarcastic attitude for a second, you would have learned a little about how the charts actually work. You're new here and you need to learn the ropes. But if you want to PM me your posts before hand, I'd be glad to pre-approve them for you. Leila - no insider info, yet, but I would guess they almost have to unless they are going to officially push a holiday song. I would agree that we are 8-12 months from seeing a new Carrie album, and why not let the tour promote a single? So I would say #5 is a given, and #6 would be the stretch.
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Post by Stephen on Oct 26, 2008 15:16:42 GMT -5
SGG, I agree about the single #5 being a given. In your opinion, what do you think is next. Not what do you hope for, but what do you predict the label will push next? Honestly, I can't see the label pushing anything other than "Flat On The Floor," especially considering it is the song she opens her concerts with.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Oct 26, 2008 15:19:26 GMT -5
Well, I absolutely apologize for making you reiterate your comments, leilamaurizia. I understand how stressful it must be to have to set everyone straight on the topic, because obviously you have so many better things to do than sit around dictating comments about Carrie Underwood on a message board. Again, indeed I'm very sorry for making you go "UGH, not this again!" Maybe next time NO ONE should share their thoughts unless they're preapproved by you, ShaniaGottaGood, or Dudley, how about that? You said something was "not true," and you were wrong. Surely you can understand the frustration of members who have been posting here for a long time and who have been through this same conversation countless times? Anyway, I'll second SGG's vote for "I Told You So" as the next single. I wouldn't mind "Flat On The Floor" though.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 26, 2008 15:25:58 GMT -5
SGG, I agree about the single #5 being a given. In your opinion, what do you think is next. Not what do you hope for, but what do you predict the label will push next? Honestly, I can't see the label pushing anything other than "Flat On The Floor," especially considering it is the song she opens her concerts with. If I had to guess, I would agree the consensus at the label would be for "Flat On The Floor." In my opinion, it shows the sassy Carrie (remember how well BHC did), and it probably would move the most records. If I was on Carrie's A&R team, though, I would go for "I Told You So." I really think that song shows a side of Carrie we haven't seen. The song itself is more creative and the delivery is spot on. It also doesn't hurt that it was a smash hit for Randy Travis. I think, too, the label could consider sending "I Know You Won't" to AC radio; however, most AC stations will start flipping to holiday music soon, so I think that would be a lost cause. Push one of Carrie's holiday songs there; "Do You Hear" did fantastic.
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Post by Stephen on Oct 26, 2008 15:37:00 GMT -5
I agree with the holiday song pushing. I honestly think that the label should send "What Child Is This?" to Christian radio and push "O Holy Night" on AC. The songs would SERIOUSLY increase sales.
I am all for the IKYW push to AC after the holidays. It sounds like a #1 on there.
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Post by kw9461 on Oct 26, 2008 15:43:22 GMT -5
You know, I never really considered I Told You So as a single, but I wouldn't mind seeing that released. It's a legit country song, and shows a side of Carrie that she hasn't really exposed yet (as has been mentioned). I don't think her version touches Randy Travis', but it is still very good. She oversings it a bit, but not to the point that it drags the song down. I guess I'll root for that, because having Randy on the charts as a songwriter is better than not having him on the charts at all.
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Post by Zach on Oct 26, 2008 15:45:56 GMT -5
I just wanted to jump in and voice my opinion for the next single. I would go with "Flat On the Floor" most definately. I read a few pages back where Carrie said she wanted a faster song so no doubt she will get that wish, I just don't see it being any other 'faster' song than that. My second choice would be "You Won't Find This". Overall, however- not taking the speed of songs into account- I would like to hear "I Know You Won't" on the radio, it's been an instant favorite of mine upon first listen. I know it's a bit different but they could work with that.
Also, just wanted to say, while it is a great song, I don't like the idea of "I Told You So" being released. This is mainly just because it's already been recorded and released to radio back in 1988 by Randy Travis. Why recycle songs when we there's an album of new ones that can be released?
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 26, 2008 16:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 26, 2008 16:12:31 GMT -5
I think, too, the label could consider sending "I Know You Won't" to AC radio; however, most AC stations will start flipping to holiday music soon, so I think that would be a lost cause. Push one of Carrie's holiday songs there; "Do You Hear" did fantastic. Considering they didn't even send "So Small" to AC radio, I don't see them releasing some 'random' single to AC radio. I wish they would, but I don't see it happening. Anyway, as for the #1s issue, Billboard will not be counting "DFTRM" as a #1 now. They don't suddenly take on the old R&R stats as their own; they just have merged accounting methods from here on out. In terms of Billboard, "JAD" will become Carrie's 7th #1 overall (assuming it gets there) and 6th in a row.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Oct 26, 2008 18:36:12 GMT -5
In terms of Billboard, "JAD" will become Carrie's 7th #1 overall (assuming it gets there) and 6th in a row. nope it will be her 5th in a row....u have to read dudleys post #847 above on why.
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