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Post by nsfb17 on Jul 2, 2008 14:45:46 GMT -5
And then there is the element of overstatement. This isn't the most egregious example, but I remember someone posting a comment in the Miranda Lambert "Gunpowder & Lead" thread that it was "about time" that Miranda had a good year, as if she had been toiling in obscurity for the last several years. I found that comment kind of astonishing given the success of her debut album and all the great critical buzz that she has enjoyed. If it wasn't merely a memory lapse about Miranda's success in previous years (or simply a rhetorical flourish whose value was lost on me), that comment is indicative of the kind of histrionics that makes me less inclined to participate in a conversation. My more general point here is that there is, among some posters, a tendency to overstate success/dominance and a tendency to overstate the lack thereof. I'd like to see people be more careful about this. We're talking about music, and while it's great that people feel passionately about it, it's not usually world peace at stake in our discussions. I believe I'm the person you're referring to. By that comment, I just meant that, being such a talented and gorgeous woman, Miranda deserves the abundance of commercial success she's been enjoying with "Gunpowder & Lead." I wasn't attempting to discredit any of the success she had in the past, nor was I disregarding her "critical buzz." It was just a simple observation that wasn't supposed to be taken so seriously.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 2, 2008 15:49:28 GMT -5
Me Against the Music, you weren't the one who made the original comment that I was referencing (I know you agreed with the comment, but the original comment wasn't yours.). In any case, like I said, the original comment wasn't the most egregious example of the kind of overstatement that has brought the level of conversation on this board down. It was just the most recent one I could think of, because it impacted my interest in posting in that particular thread. Philosophically, I'm with Jim King and lumpster in believing that in an ideal world, a moderator isn't necessary. Posters should just self-moderate. But the Pulse staff sent in a moderator because, well, there wasn't enough self-moderation. I'm a little disappointed that my suggestions are viewed as theoretical and not practical in the real world, because it is just this kind of thinking that has led to the degradation this board. Replying to the problem posters, the lack of thoughtful posts by board regulars, and in-your-face moderation are what is wrong with this board. The problems did not occur overnight nor can they be fixed overnight, but a core group of committed members willing to do everything needed to mold the board into their ideal, leaving those who don't follow uncomfortably outside in the cold, is the only real solution, not an ideal to be admired and discarded as unworkable. Actually, Jim King, my point was that I thought your suggestions did work for the board...until (in my view), they were no longer enough. And far from discarding your suggestions, I indicated that I would prefer that the board operate in the manner that you suggest. I'm just skeptical that the self-reinforcing equilibrium you describe is plausible right now. But you know, this is a bit of a chicken-egg "which came first?" situation. My impression is that a moderator was assigned to this forum because the core group practices of ignoring the useless and inflammatory posts while rewarding the interesting/useful posts were no longer enough, because of an influx of posters more inclined to pick fights and/or not add much substance of the conversation. The hope was that a moderator would make it easier for the core group to do its thing without forcing it to bite its lip quite as much (because this core group has made it a habit of reading every post as a courtesy). For sure, it's debatable how much this has worked. And you certainly raise a fair point about how it's possible that explicit moderation might be exacerbating tensions here, at least in some ways. Ultimately, I agree that yours is the only stable long-term solution, it's just that I think some moderation might facilitate a short-term transition to that point. But maybe not. GiggaWho, thanks for the link to that discussion. You're right, a lot of it resonated. I thought the following parts are especially relevant to what Jim King is talking about and give us something to think about moving forward:
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Post by Jim King on Jul 2, 2008 18:00:04 GMT -5
Actually, Jim King, my point was that I thought your suggestions did work for the board...until (in my view), they were no longer enough. And far from discarding your suggestions, I indicated that I would prefer that the board operate in the manner that you suggest. I'm just skeptical that the self-reinforcing equilibrium you describe is plausible right now. But you know, this is a bit of a chicken-egg "which came first?" situation. My own perception of the problem is that an influx of new members with heavy posting behavior came in to a group that was unique and running fairly well. A wave of inexperienced fans followed, and after that, a wave of fairly visible moderating began. Many of the board's cherished behaviors were lost before the veterans even realized that they were gone. Place your chickens and eggs where you think they fit. I don't know if it's possible to go back to where the board was, or even if it's a good idea. My point is that heavy individual activity without the larger view of what's good for the board will make things worse and so will visible, heavy-handed moderation. Valuable contributors tend to be members that are committed to the long-term viability of the board and those that are not on probation. This is not world peace at stake here, so moderation should be geared to assume the best intentions in people and let the collective membership dish the cold revenge of being ignored if things get bad. It's the only proven way out, but it doesn't happen overnight, and I'll guarantee that it will take more than everybody on the board stopping to read this post.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 2, 2008 18:50:18 GMT -5
I have been on Pulse for almost a year now, and I have enjoyed being able to come here fore sales and release info on artists across the genre. My first issue was a heated debate revolving around a poster who posted false data. Another problem was when the charts hadn't been posted for a few weeks for sales, and I simply asked if any one knew where to find some kind of numbers. At the end of that question I had a series of question marks like this (?????????????). People some how found that incredibly rude and saw it was okay to name call and other derogitory things. So first I would suggest the simple rule, If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it at all. I would also like to make clear that people arn't always bashing artists when they simply state their opinions on who is more talented or who deserved any award...people should be able to do that without other people responding in a negative way with mean comments or bashing comments. Those are my thoughts for now, if I think of more I will post them.
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Post by kw9461 on Jul 2, 2008 19:25:23 GMT -5
I have been on Pulse for almost a year now, and I have enjoyed being able to come here fore sales and release info on artists across the genre. My first issue was a heated debate revolving around a poster who posted false data. Another problem was when the charts hadn't been posted for a few weeks for sales, and I simply asked if any one knew where to find some kind of numbers. At the end of that question I had a series of question marks like this (????????????). People some how found that incredibly rude and saw it was okay to name call and other derogitory things. So first I would suggest the simple rule, If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it at all. I would also like to make clear that people arn't always bashing artists when they simply state their opinions on who is more talented or who deserved any award...people should be able to do that without other people responding in a negative way with mean comments or bashing comments. Those are my thoughts for now, if I think of more I will post them. Thanks for your comments, it's nice to see a few non-regulars posting thier thoughts. I would like to address a few of your concerns. First, the ??????? isssue. Any sort of extra emphasis, be it using bolded letters, a number of exclamation points, or even question marks is considered by many to be rude. While I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure you meant absolutely nothing by the emphasis, the question remains: was it really neccessary to use the emphasis? Would your question have had any less significance, or have been answered any slower if you hadn't added the extra ???. You may do that sort of thing in other sections of this board and be understood perfectly, but as has been stated before, the country forum is little bit different animal. Secondly, the issue of critizing an artist vs. bashing an artist. The most important thing to remember when posting something about an artist (especially something negative) is the percieved intent. Nobody but you knows the actual intent of your post, so you have to make sure you post what you actually mean. That's when it is best to use Jim King's stop and think strategy. Lastly, it's probably safe to just avoid the "artist A is better than artist B" type discussions, because more often than not, they lead to fan wars. It is fair to discuss certain elements of an artist (vocal ability, song writing ability, ect), just remember to use tact when doing so. Try to avoid arguing "talent", because talent is very subjective, and everyone has thier own opinion about talent. Hope that helps!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 2, 2008 23:46:41 GMT -5
I have been on Pulse for almost a year now, and I have enjoyed being able to come here fore sales and release info on artists across the genre. My first issue was a heated debate revolving around a poster who posted false data. Another problem was when the charts hadn't been posted for a few weeks for sales, and I simply asked if any one knew where to find some kind of numbers. At the end of that question I had a series of question marks like this (????????????). People some how found that incredibly rude and saw it was okay to name call and other derogitory things. So first I would suggest the simple rule, If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it at all. I would also like to make clear that people arn't always bashing artists when they simply state their opinions on who is more talented or who deserved any award...people should be able to do that without other people responding in a negative way with mean comments or bashing comments. Those are my thoughts for now, if I think of more I will post them. Thanks for your comments, it's nice to see a few non-regulars posting thier thoughts. I would like to address a few of your concerns. First, the ??????? isssue. Any sort of extra emphasis, be it using bolded letters, a number of exclamation points, or even question marks is considered by many to be rude. While I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure you meant absolutely nothing by the emphasis, the question remains: was it really neccessary to use the emphasis? Would your question have had any less significance, or have been answered any slower if you hadn't added the extra ???. You may do that sort of thing in other sections of this board and be understood perfectly, but as has been stated before, the country forum is little bit different animal. Secondly, the issue of critizing an artist vs. bashing an artist. The most important thing to remember when posting something about an artist (especially something negative) is the percieved intent. Nobody but you knows the actual intent of your post, so you have to make sure you post what you actually mean. That's when it is best to use Jim King's stop and think strategy. Lastly, it's probably safe to just avoid the "artist A is better than artist B" type discussions, because more often than not, they lead to fan wars. It is fair to discuss certain elements of an artist (vocal ability, song writing ability, ect), just remember to use tact when doing so. Try to avoid arguing "talent", because talent is very subjective, and everyone has thier own opinion about talent. Hope that helps! Thanks, and about the emphasis thing, I meant nothing more than as if I were to have used one question mark. I just have gotten used to doing that. Now I try but its a hard habbit to break. So, yes I understand what you meant.
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Post by Zazie on Jul 4, 2008 10:59:40 GMT -5
I have been told that this thread exists, and it seems ungracious of me not to follow up on my "resignation" post to explain my thinking. I haven't read this whole thread, because it gives me this eerie feeling that I must have died and people are now lining up to say nice things about me. Thank you, kind people, but I can't really read through that.
I didn't intend to single out zaclord -- his post and the ones that followed just made me realize I had had enough. But if in my eyes he had been the sole offender, I would have taken this in a different direction and would have felt no need to leave.
Perhaps I should back up and say that I used to enjoy posting on the ACC (American Country Countdown) board before Bob Kingsley left that show. I thought it was a board whose discussions were informative and substantial -- like Pulse is as its best -- and also the members were willing to police the board and did so, with the very occasional intervention of ACC staff. I took a leadership role in doing that, but by no means do I deserve the lion's share of the credit. It was a community effort and that's why it worked.
This board does provide a lot of useful information from people like rowdawg and kevin (and in singling them out I don't intend to slight anybody else, but I'm just giving examples so I can be sure we're communicating). And it does contain discussions that interest me -- about the flow of the charts, the direction the charts appear to be going in, the trends in mainstream country radio, and about what makes various songs both good-or-bad and popular-or-unpopular.
But it's harder and harder to separate this board from a fan board. On fan boards, dissent isn't tolerated but is flamed. And worship is encouraged. Also, opinions are never supported because they don't need to be. Also, it's considered a great idea to say the same thing over and over again. Besides, most communication can be handled through emoticons anyway.
On the board these days, there are lots of threads I can't even wade into. And when it was just the Jessica song thread and a few others I had to avoid, that was fine. (I considered myself forewarned.) But now I'm finding that this kind of uncivil, uninformative, uninteresting style of posting has metastasized to unlikely places, and the majority of the times I come to this board I'm reading posts that... well, if this were the last remaining site on the internet, maybe I'd have a different view. But it isn't, and they are just a waste of time.
I suppose the question is, can the Pulse country board police itself, assuming there were a core group of posters who could agree upon some kind of posting protocol. And the answer is unknown. I'll say for the record that I won't do it. I've done it before (see above) and I'm not taking it on (except possibly as a minor player). There's no way that a moderator, however omnipresent and however skilled, can do it. (We have a very good one.) It takes the message coming from many sources -- such-and-such is not welcome here but you can do this-and-that and we'd love to have you if you do.
I'm not talking about policing every post and making sure it meets some PC standard. I'm talking about something much quieter and more subtle than that.
Anyway, I'm staying away from posting here, out of respect for my own time. I don't mean to be a prima donna -- it's just a simple cost-benefit analysis. But I'm leaving for the indeterminate future. Maybe the Pulse board will change, but I have neither the power nor the right to make demands. I will miss a great many of you but so it goes. And in any case this discussion isn't about me, but rather about the future of the board, and that's as it should be.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Jul 4, 2008 11:17:07 GMT -5
I am sad as I used to read on the R&R Board and the ACC Board but only asked questions on there. All of these boards taught me a lot. I just look at certain threads and mark them read as some posters feel they need to post in every thread and really have nothing to say.
I do enjoy the many knowledgeable posters on here but I don't post often because I don't buy music like used too.
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Post by queensporsche on Jul 4, 2008 11:36:39 GMT -5
I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinion and really am not sure what I can add to the discussion, but I'll try my best.
I don't remember how I first found out about this forum, but I really enjoy using it as a place to find out information about new music. I really enjoyed the threads about Upcoming Albums, Upcoming Singles, Weekly Sales Figures, Positions on the Billboard Chart and a lot of the informative threads. I find those threads extremely useful and am thankful to those who take the time to post the information for us. I sincerely hope that those types of threads continue to be a big part of the forum.
I also enjoy reading various opinions about upcoming singles, or once a song has been released having the lyrics posted, or maybe a video link of a performance, and especially the link to where we can hear the song for the first time. Those are all very interesting and useful. What I don't find useful are the personal attacks simply because one person likes a song or an artist and the other person doesn't. I have probably fallen victim to this type of immature thinking and have engaged in an argument or two like that, and for that I apologize and will try to refrain from that in the future. It really does nothing to further the discussion.
Forgive my rambling but if we're discussing the future of the board and what should and shouldn't be allowed, I have a pet peeve. I have noticed many times, and I will not single out anyone in particular, where rather than posting a reply to something someone said, a poster will simply quote the person's post and say nothing, as if to say that they want to say the same thing. What is the purpose of simply copying someone else's post and placing it in your own post if you aren't going to add anything? We've already seen it once, why do we need to see it again. Just a thought.
For the most part, I find this forum to be informative, entertaining and worthwhile and without singling out anyone in particular, I really enjoy reading the opinions of certain individuals whose knowledge of country music and experience in the genre far exceeds mine. I have learned a lot and have even discovered artists I never knew existed and have also listened to artists I thought I hated and discovered I actually like them. I hope that this forum will continue and that the discussions will be fun and informative. Thanks! I hope everyone is having a happy, safe Holiday!!
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Post by gcook on Jul 4, 2008 23:30:24 GMT -5
Hey, I have been here at this board for a quite a while but have never been one to post an awful lot. For one reason, I felt others (like Marv, Zazie, rowdawg, kevin, etc) were much more qualified and secondly, because I think that posts should be made with consideration and thought (as someone else has already suggested). Over time, however, this forum has changed completely, with much more advocacy taking place than actual substantive discussion.
That being said, my time here has been much more limited. I often will just briefly scan the thread titles to check and see what songs are being released and won't even click on the threads because I know that most of them will only contain "fluff".
I don't know what the answer is, but I do appreciate dudley for coming forth to try and get a conversation going on this issue. I think the loudest and most obvious conversation is evident in the usernames who have not replied to this thread. Many of them are actually part of the problem. That is the sad part. You can't solve a problem when the people that are a part of it don't believe they are or don't give a da*n.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jul 5, 2008 13:58:25 GMT -5
While I do agree that this is a good topic for discussion, I don't see how it can bring much change. After all, this is an "open" board. No one has to pay to post. As the musical genres continue to blend the audience will become more than just a demographic that loves country music and the history behind it and the charts. I have been thinking about this a good bit as I have been off all of the past week and I don't see how things can change without the help of each and every poster that comes here. A simple sticky thread with the rules and what is expected of each person that post on this board should be read and an acknowledgement that it has been read is about all that I can think of. One or two warnings about the abuse of these rules should be given then an automatic ban of a certain amount of time (2 weeks, one month, whatever). Continual abuse should get the person banned for life. We are a moderated board by the choice of the Admins here. If dudley is the moderator, then moderate(which I think you do a good job, don't take that statement as being rude). If he feels that he can't handle it all, add another moderator or two and lock the crap down. If not, than just skip over the crap to find what you want to read. I have been doing that for quite a while. The only thing that gets to me is the simple "I like so and so better than so and so." If that is the case, there are ways to post that without flaming. This is a music forum that discusses a lot of different topics. Maybe if the board topics were broken down differently, some of this could be pinned down into certain topics.
Sorry for the ramble, but if something is going to be done, do it. If not let things go on the way they have been. Whichever happens, I will continue to come here everyday and read the topics that I usually read and skip the ones I don't.
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After I posted this, I went and read the Rules that are stickied at the top of the Country forum. They are very good and spell out everything that we are talking about. It seems the rules are in place, now they just need to be followed. All new posters should have to acknowledge that they have read the thread before they can post. Seems pretty simple.
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Post by ham4art on Jul 7, 2008 12:44:15 GMT -5
I've been a member for a couple of years but rarely post as I also moderate another country music forum, a pop forum and a professional forum. With all that being said, I don't think the changes and progressions in this forum are bad. Heavy handed moderation will do in a forum faster than flap jaw posters. The useless posts can be controlled by the other members if everyone understands the mission of the forum. Forums are living entities. They have ebbs and flows. Lulls in posting and PITA posters. IMO, it's best not to take some of this so darn seriously. Pulse has a rather unique format and that is what needs to be emphasised, not the negatives of some childish posters.
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Post by Jonsolo on Jul 7, 2008 16:41:44 GMT -5
I have been told that this thread exists, and it seems ungracious of me not to follow up on my "resignation" post to explain my thinking. I haven't read this whole thread, because it gives me this eerie feeling that I must have died and people are now lining up to say nice things about me. Thank you, kind people, but I can't really read through that. I didn't intend to single out zaclord -- his post and the ones that followed just made me realize I had had enough. But if in my eyes he had been the sole offender, I would have taken this in a different direction and would have felt no need to leave. Perhaps I should back up and say that I used to enjoy posting on the ACC (American Country Countdown) board before Bob Kingsley left that show. I thought it was a board whose discussions were informative and substantial -- like Pulse is as its best -- and also the members were willing to police the board and did so, with the very occasional intervention of ACC staff. I took a leadership role in doing that, but by no means do I deserve the lion's share of the credit. It was a community effort and that's why it worked. This board does provide a lot of useful information from people like rowdawg and kevin (and in singling them out I don't intend to slight anybody else, but I'm just giving examples so I can be sure we're communicating). And it does contain discussions that interest me -- about the flow of the charts, the direction the charts appear to be going in, the trends in mainstream country radio, and about what makes various songs both good-or-bad and popular-or-unpopular. But it's harder and harder to separate this board from a fan board. On fan boards, dissent isn't tolerated but is flamed. And worship is encouraged. Also, opinions are never supported because they don't need to be. Also, it's considered a great idea to say the same thing over and over again. Besides, most communication can be handled through emoticons anyway. On the board these days, there are lots of threads I can't even wade into. And when it was just the Jessica song thread and a few others I had to avoid, that was fine. (I considered myself forewarned.) But now I'm finding that this kind of uncivil, uninformative, uninteresting style of posting has metastasized to unlikely places, and the majority of the times I come to this board I'm reading posts that... well, if this were the last remaining site on the internet, maybe I'd have a different view. But it isn't, and they are just a waste of time. I suppose the question is, can the Pulse country board police itself, assuming there were a core group of posters who could agree upon some kind of posting protocol. And the answer is unknown. I'll say for the record that I won't do it. I've done it before (see above) and I'm not taking it on (except possibly as a minor player). There's no way that a moderator, however omnipresent and however skilled, can do it. (We have a very good one.) It takes the message coming from many sources -- such-and-such is not welcome here but you can do this-and-that and we'd love to have you if you do. I'm not talking about policing every post and making sure it meets some PC standard. I'm talking about something much quieter and more subtle than that. Anyway, I'm staying away from posting here, out of respect for my own time. I don't mean to be a prima donna -- it's just a simple cost-benefit analysis. But I'm leaving for the indeterminate future. Maybe the Pulse board will change, but I have neither the power nor the right to make demands. I will miss a great many of you but so it goes. And in any case this discussion isn't about me, but rather about the future of the board, and that's as it should be. Geez, what a drama queen!!! So what's the updated iTunes position for Taylor's and Sugarland's new songs??!!!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 14, 2008 20:49:49 GMT -5
I'm bumping this partly to giggle at Jonsolo's post, but also to bring up something that has me in mode too frequently. It used to be that the majority of the people posting in this forum understood how the Billboard/ R&R and Mediabase/Country Aircheck charts work. Most people understood that the Billboard/ R&R chart is ranked by audience impressions, and the Mediabase/Country Aircheck chart by an arcane points system (not pure spins). But lately, there are a growing number of clueless posts that show absolutely no understanding of country chart dynamics. Typically (and I hate singling out a group, but the shoe fits), the posts are from folks who are used to watching the pop charts. So people start freaking out over spins instead of paying attention to audience. They start freaking out over the shrinkage of bullets without any appreciation for the pace of the country charts and how it varies for artists of different tiers. Couple this with the one-liner cheerleading posts and the level of discussion in some threads is just...blargh! One possible means of redressing this is to create a Chart Primer thread with links and a sort of FAQ on how the Billboard/ R&R Hot Country Songs and Mediabase/Country Aircheck charts work. I know several people would prefer to limit the number of stickied threads, though. Another concern is that the people who most need to read and understand the primer would instead be lazy and just ask the same questions over and over again in the threads of their choice, since they don't read outside of those threads in the Country forum. And the same superficial pattern would continue. I'd like to hear some more thoughts from the forum posters on this.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Aug 14, 2008 20:52:49 GMT -5
I agree - one thread in particular had me rolling my eyes until they were in the back of my head! Maybe if someone created a "Chart Primer" and it was sent to the offenders this time around. That way they would definitely see it. Then, if it keeps continuing, it is actually posted as a stickied thread. Kinda a 2 strike policy
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 14, 2008 21:53:02 GMT -5
One possible means of redressing this is to create a Chart Primer thread with links and a sort of FAQ on how the Billboard/ R&R Hot Country Songs and Mediabase/Country Aircheck charts work. I know several people would prefer to limit the number of stickied threads, though. I think it's a good idea. Yes, you may be right that some people probably wouldn't read it anyway, but if someone were to ask a question, all a person would have to do is post the link to that thread instead of trying to explain it to that person themselves. Also, that thread could be used to answer other chart questions people may have. Actually, I think it would be cool if it could not only be a FAQ about the Billboard/R&R charts and how they work, but also a place where people can ask questions about how well certain songs from Artist A did on Billboard/R&R, or both when Billboard and R&R were split (this would especially be useful for artists who aren't currently on the radio and don't have a thread of their own on the Country forum at the moment). Perhaps we could name it "Billboard/R&R FAQ/Song Q&A" or something along those lines. I could see that possibly being a little too much for one thread, but I think it would be a great way for members to interact with each other and for members to learn more about the Country charts, along with the history of certain songs on the Billboard/R&R charts, without it completely oozing over in other threads (I'm sure oozzing would still occur to some degree, but I think it could help). Couple this with the one-liner cheerleading posts and the level of discussion in some threads is just...blargh! Yes, those types of posts are very annoying (as well as posts from fanatics who try to convince others that their artist is better than another person's favorite artist in whatever way). I saw a post from you in another thread where you said that you were tired of letting members get off the hook, and I have to agree with you. I think that if we are going to get control of this forum, we are going to have to either ignore the trouble-makers until they go away or banish them. The former would be the best choice, but unfortunately, as you said earlier, I believe there are just too many members who can not keep their mouths (I guess I should say their fingers) quiet. So, I think the latter option is what we need to do. If someone breaks the rules, give them a warning via PM and give them the rules, and if they break the rules again (even if it's a different rule than the one they previous broke), ban them for a little while (a week or 2). Let them know that they can't expect to break the rules and get away with it. If they continue, ban them for longer periods of time (a month or longer), and if it continues yet again, ban them forever. I don't think people should get more than one warning before they are banned. One is enough. There is one thing I'm curious about. Is there a way you can ban members from a particular part of the whole forum? That way, we don't necessarily have to ban them from the entire Pulse forum, just from the Country section (since the Country section, for the most part, is handled completely different than the other sections)? I seem to remember back when I had created my own Proboards message board years ago, I could make some parts of the forum only accessible through a secret password that only the moderator knows. Perhaps when you are banning someone, you could make it to where the only way this person can get in the Country forum would be to provide a password that only you know. I'm not sure if you could do that without making everyone have to provide the password, and if that's the case, it wouldn't work. I could be entirely wrong about this password thing, so if I'm not making sense with this, I'm sorry. I have really wanted to respond to this thread for a while, but I wasn't sure what I could add to what others had already said. Therefore, I had to do a lot of thinking, and I guess tonight, all my thoughts came together (hopefully pretty well).
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Post by carriefan0209 on Aug 14, 2008 22:03:54 GMT -5
it is possible for a particular section to be created that is accessible only via password.
that said i dont know how the rest of the board would feel about that...
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Post by somebody60 on Aug 14, 2008 22:13:46 GMT -5
it is possible for a particular section to be created that is accessible only via password. that said i dont know how the rest of the board would feel about that... Well, I don't think it can work if the whole board has to type in the password. What I mean is if a moderator can make only certain people have to type in a password (the ones who are breaking the rules), but still allow the rest of the group to access this section without having to type in the password. That way, we can push out the people who are causing trouble in our section without completely banning them from the entire forum. You may have already understood that from my previous post, but just in case you didn't, there you go.
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Marv
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Post by Marv on Aug 14, 2008 22:24:04 GMT -5
I think creating a 'sticky' thread (or two) for both BB & Mediabase/Country Aircheck would be terrific.
It would certainly cut down on the number of pages of some of the threads, and if someone were to 'freak out' because of the movement (or lack thereof) of a song they've been following, they could just go to such a thread and ask any of the chart geeks/gurus why that is happening.
The onslaught of new posters and country radio listeners to this country forum (and the format, starting in the fall of 2005 with Carrie Underwood) has resulted in lots of these 'newbies' getting agitated because they don't know how the Country Aircheck/Mediabase or Billboard chart system works as well as issues related to programming, radio adds, and other assorted issues related to country radio.
A 'sticky' thread (or two) would work very well for them, and for the rest of us.
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Post by bigbluenote on Aug 14, 2008 23:24:21 GMT -5
I'm one of the people who doesn't like so many stickied threads. I think the four we have is good. Before we know it, the whole first page of the counry section will be full of stickied threads. I don't really have a solution other than "don't go into that thread".
There are two threads in particular I was reading everytime there was a reply. But I haven't been in either of those two threads in a few weeks because of the pointless nothingness that goes on in them. My solution is to just not go into certain threads.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Aug 14, 2008 23:45:46 GMT -5
It used to be that the majority of the people posting in this forum understood how the Billboard/ R&R and Mediabase/Country Aircheck charts work. Most people understood that the Billboard/ R&R chart is ranked by audience impressions, and the Mediabase/Country Aircheck chart by an arcane points system (not pure spins). But lately, there are a growing number of clueless posts that show absolutely no understanding of country chart dynamics. Amen! I've been going "Huh?!?" so often lately that I wonder if this is the same country forum I joined almost 3 years ago. Used to be that majority of the posters were familiar with how the charts worked so discussions on their (the charts) progress proceeded from there. Used to be that majority of the posters posted well-founded and hopefully, insighful opinions and discussions proceeded from there. Now, apparently, when you engage in a conversation about a point someone brought up, you're "ripping apart" that poster. Not that I've been here as long as some others have, but here are just a few things I learned along the way-- have a thick skin, take the opportunity to learn stuff from those familiar with the charts, enjoy the thoughtful discussions (which are happening few and far between nowadays). There's a variety of people here with different musical and artist preferences. There's a lot to enjoy. Personally, I was attracted to Pulse and particularly the country forum because I appreciated the posts that were more than just "Artist A sucks!" or "Artist B rules!" or "Yay!"... you get the idea. Not to mention the wealth of information that you normally wouldn't find elsewhere. I hope we can maintain that quality.
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recjus85
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Post by recjus85 on Aug 14, 2008 23:57:48 GMT -5
Yea I hardly even read, let alone post in single threads anymore, cause the majority of the replys have 0 to do with the certain single or whatever.
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Post by S4C on Aug 15, 2008 10:41:01 GMT -5
If the option of creating a new thread with the rundown of how the charts work, etc., were to be seriously considered as a solution, it might also be possible to consider combining the Upcoming Singles and Albums threads into one stickied thread (thereby keeping the current amount of 4 stickied threads), where instead of just the first post being regularly updated, it could be the first two posts which are updated by two separate posters (or only one poster if they felt like they were ready to take on the challenge of managing both).
The only flaw I see in the stickied-thread solution is that, as previously mentioned, some if not most people who have these questions will neglect to look at the thread and instead just find it easier to ask the question, just like now. Maybe they could get a warning for that? A bit extreme, but eventually the problem would be resolved...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 13:13:04 GMT -5
I don't usually post in this part of the forum and may not because, & I don't know the whole history, nor do I care to but, just a quick observation:
Putting rules on this or that Restictions all over the place politics running-amok
In the long run is doomed to make posting here a less enjoyable experience. :o
Just sayin'
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Post by pipi on Aug 15, 2008 16:20:38 GMT -5
this forum is far more lax and less hostile than others i visit. and whats the deal with posting mediabase and itunes details? is it yay or nay?
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 15, 2008 16:36:44 GMT -5
I don't usually post in this part of the forum and may not because, & I don't know the whole history, nor do I care to but, just a quick observation: Putting rules on this or that Restictions all over the place politics running-amok In the long run is doomed to make posting here a less enjoyable experience. :o Just sayin' I agree to an extent, but inate conversation and people who don't know the rules and post ignorantly make posting far less enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 16:56:49 GMT -5
I don't usually post in this part of the forum and may not because, & I don't know the whole history, nor do I care to but, just a quick observation: Putting rules on this or that Restictions all over the place politics running-amok In the long run is doomed to make posting here a less enjoyable experience. :o Just sayin' I agree to an extent, but inate conversation and people who don't know the rules and post ignorantly make posting far less enjoyable. Like I was saying, I don't usually post in this particular section of the website so I don't actually know what prompted all of the politics and don't really care but: You are going to get new traffic from time to time. From what I have seen on this site and other websites is that no matter how many rules you put into place, newcomers will not know the politics (unnecessary in an entertainment forum, I think), newcomers will be unaware of the rules. Regulars will end up getting uptight, because set standards are not being followed, newcomers will either be scared off or will act agressively. From a newcomers standpoint, this may be a bit harsh.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 15, 2008 18:37:09 GMT -5
this forum is far more lax and less hostile than others i visit. and whats the deal with posting mediabase and itunes details? is it yay or nay? Nay.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 15, 2008 19:19:43 GMT -5
I'm against the sticky thread too. Why don't we ask rowdawg to modify his prediction thread with a brief rundown as to how the charts work. We've actually had a whole thread about it about 2 years ago when they changed the rules; no need to drag all that back up.
As for chart history, would be cool, but there's another board for that: UKmix.org. I wouldn't necessarily be against making a thread for asking 'how did Single X from Artist A do' but I think it would turn into a mess, quickly.
JMHO
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Aug 15, 2008 23:16:26 GMT -5
It used to be that the majority of the people posting in this forum understood how the Billboard/ R&R and Mediabase/Country Aircheck charts work. Most people understood that the Billboard/ R&R chart is ranked by audience impressions, and the Mediabase/Country Aircheck chart by an arcane points system (not pure spins). But lately, there are a growing number of clueless posts that show absolutely no understanding of country chart dynamics. Amen! I've been going "Huh?!?" so often lately that I wonder if this is the same country forum I joined almost 3 years ago. Used to be that majority of the posters were familiar with how the charts worked so discussions on their (the charts) progress proceeded from there. Used to be that majority of the posters posted well-founded and hopefully, insighful opinions and discussions proceeded from there. Now, apparently, when you engage in a conversation about a point someone brought up, you're "ripping apart" that poster. The "ripping apart" comment had nothing to do with a particular poster but the thread where a reply is made. I was not going to reply to this topic because I did not think that I could bring anything to it that the other posters did not. Guess I was wrong. There are certain threads on this board that are a fan thread instead of a music thread. If you dont like that song and make a comment about it then the fangs come out. They can make tons of comments about not liking a song from another thread, but dont say anything bad about the one's that they like. It is down to just a few threads that I even look at any more because there is no substance to them. Example: person 1 - I really like this song :) person 2 - so do I person 3 - me too Why do you like the song? It would be great to see more in depth comments than this. More people will have something to say if they have something to reply back to. I was part of the old ACC board and really miss it. It was more a discussion of what was going on in country music than a fan board. There are several posters on this board that were there back then too and I think they would agree.
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