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Post by rowdawg21 on Aug 15, 2008 23:28:24 GMT -5
It is down to just a few threads that I even look at any more because there is no substance to them. Example: person 1 - I really like this song :) person 2 - so do I person 3 - me too Why do you like the song? It would be great to see more in depth comments than this. More people will have something to say if they have something to reply back to. I completely agree with this, and it's my biggest problem with the board right now. There are two posters in particular that come to mind who make posts like this a lot, and they both seem to post in nearly every thread. It doesn't even matter if they haven't heard the song or if they don't know the artist - they'll sometimes post in the thread anyway. It almost seems like some people post just to raise their post counts. I'm pretty sure there's a way to disable post counts from showing, and I think that could solve a lot of problems. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be enough people in favor of that solution to carry it out.
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 16, 2008 2:48:48 GMT -5
It is down to just a few threads that I even look at any more because there is no substance to them. Example: person 1 - I really like this song :) person 2 - so do I person 3 - me too Why do you like the song? It would be great to see more in depth comments than this. More people will have something to say if they have something to reply back to. I completely agree with this, and it's my biggest problem with the board right now. There are two posters in particular that come to mind who make posts like this a lot, and they both seem to post in nearly every thread. It doesn't even matter if they haven't heard the song or if they don't know the artist - they'll sometimes post in the thread anyway. It almost seems like some people post just to raise their post counts. I'm pretty sure there's a way to disable post counts from showing, and I think that could solve a lot of problems. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be enough people in favor of that solution to carry it out. I agree. And the absolute worst is when someone wastes the time to post just to say that they haven't heard a particular song (one poster in particular has done this on multiple occasions). That contributes 0 to the conversation. It also seems like amount of fan war garbage is only getting exponentially worse, even since this thread was created. I can tolerate most of the other stuff (even though a lot of it is frustrating), but the fruitless arguments like the one in the CMA Predictions thread absolutely infuriate me. Just because you state your opinion as a fact (artist A is the best artist out right now...), it doesn't automatically make it a fact.
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Post by WotUNeed on Aug 16, 2008 2:50:17 GMT -5
It is down to just a few threads that I even look at any more because there is no substance to them. Example: person 1 - I really like this song :) person 2 - so do I person 3 - me too Why do you like the song? It would be great to see more in depth comments than this. More people will have something to say if they have something to reply back to. I completely agree with this, and it's my biggest problem with the board right now. There are two posters in particular that come to mind who make posts like this a lot, and they both seem to post in nearly every thread. It doesn't even matter if they haven't heard the song or if they don't know the artist - they'll sometimes post in the thread anyway. It almost seems like some people post just to raise their post counts. I'm pretty sure there's a way to disable post counts from showing, and I think that could solve a lot of problems. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be enough people in favor of that solution to carry it out. I agree with both of the above and, for what it's worth, I'd definitely be in favor of hiding post counts. There have always been a lot of threads in other fora where there are plenty of posts and little substance, but this sort of thing is on the rise in this one too now. Perhaps there can be some general friendly guidelines or something about when it might be inappropriate to post and best just to read and move on? I guess some might resent that a bit much and it could potentially discourage posts of actual substance, but a long string of fluff has the same effect, in my opinion.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Aug 16, 2008 3:35:06 GMT -5
Speaking of stickies, I'm officially lobbying to sticky the Weekly Album and Single Sales thread for the following reasons:
- With more than 22,000 views, it seems to be popular and kept track of with every update. - With Pulse being a chart info-centric board, the sales information is, to say the least, very useful. - Please, please, please! It would be so much easier to find at the top of the forum when the time comes weekly to update it. Plus, it would be easier to find for reference purposes. Hopefully, stickying will lessen the occasional queries of "how much did so and so's album sell?" from newer posters who don't know that such a thread exists.
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Post by sbp17 on Aug 16, 2008 9:23:10 GMT -5
I agree with the assessments that posts here are less substantive of late. And unfortunately, it's a type of snowball effect. As those who seem to master at one or two word responses thrive, others who put a little thought into their posts become less inclined to contribute. It's not that I want to concede the forum but I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. With more and more pop stars crossing over to country and the increasing popularity of younger artists who appeal to younger fans, it may even get worse before it gets better.
As for stickies, I wouldn't have a problem with two or three more stickied threads if it wasn't for the four or five non-stickied threads that stay at the top because of the aforementioned posts that lack substance. So as it stands, the first page pretty much looks exactly the same every time you log in.
leila, one possible solution to your suggestion is to make the Upcoming Album and Upcoming Singles threads a little more generic and then you could post the album and singles sales in those respective threads.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Aug 16, 2008 10:07:27 GMT -5
leila, one possible solution to your suggestion is to make the Upcoming Album and Upcoming Singles threads a little more generic and then you could post the album and singles sales in those respective threads. If that's the other option available, then no thanks. (But thanks for the suggestion!) The thread will get too long and will make it harder to "research" in the future. Anyway, I guess I'll just make do with looking for the sales thread, as well as the BB #1s thread which I was also going to ask to be stickied, every week. At least my fingers will get some exercise.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Aug 16, 2008 10:11:10 GMT -5
Maybe we could un-sticky the Weekly Top 5/Bottom 5 thread since it seems to becoming less popular? It would also help if we could get the Signature Images thread un-stickied since it was started a year and a half ago and rarely gets viewed.
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leilamaurizia
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Post by leilamaurizia on Aug 16, 2008 10:26:27 GMT -5
Maybe we could un-sticky the Weekly Top 5/Bottom 5 thread since it seems to becoming less popular? It would also help if we could get the Signature Images thread un-stickied since it was started a year and a half ago and rarely gets viewed. I second the motion(s).
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Post by S4C on Aug 16, 2008 10:29:07 GMT -5
Same here, but I'm pretty sure the two board-wide announcements (the rules + guidelines and the signature images thread) do not take away from the 40 country threads per page (IOW taking either of those away wouldn't help). But I might be wrong.
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Post by bigbluenote on Aug 16, 2008 21:48:45 GMT -5
As much as I dislike so many stickied threads, I am ALL for stickying the album and single sales thread. I LOVE when that thread is updated and it would be easier to keep track of any other time during the week (cause it gets pushed down real fast).
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Post by Zazie on Aug 19, 2008 15:19:04 GMT -5
Had to come back to say hi, because I miss many of you guys.
You missed "Song X is unbelievably boring" in your list of really annoying posts. But I do think "I haven't heard song X" is more impressive, though it could be improved on -- I would enjoy seeing a bunch like "Song X isn't too good -- actually I've heard song X only partway through because then my mom called me and I had to go downstairs for dinner so I never heard the second verse. We had pork chops."
See you down the road. Jon_Solo, you'll get yours!
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 19, 2008 16:24:16 GMT -5
Had to come back to say hi, because I miss many of you guys. You missed "Song X is unbelievably boring" in your list of really annoying posts. But I do think "I haven't heard song X" is more impressive, though it could be improved on -- I would enjoy seeing a bunch like "Song X isn't too good -- actually I've heard song X only partway through because then my mom called me and I had to go downstairs for dinner so I never heard the second verse. We had pork chops." See you down the road. Jon_Solo, you'll get yours! Settle down, or I'll knock that tiara off your head....!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 9, 2008 13:46:49 GMT -5
Reviving this again...this time to get some feedback on the issue of having album threads in this forum instead of just singles threads.
The issue was raised when a Jessica Simpson fan who doesn't post in any other threads in the Country forum started an album thread for Jessica's album. Initially, I let it go because we've had album threads for some other artists. kevin59 used to post Listening Party threads for new releases and some of those threads would wind up with discussions (now, he posts the Listening Party links in the Upcoming Album Releases thread). Now, Reba's Duets album thread is still live, and there have been album threads for the likes of Blake Shelton, Josh Turner, Carrie Underwood, LeAnn Rimes, Alan Jackson, etc. Maybe George Strait, too. We also have a Shania album thread even though she is not currently in an active album cycle.
But a couple of people have raised the concern about having these album threads, given the current state of the Country forum. We still have posters who post non-substantive one-liners that add nothing to discussion but bump up threads for their favorite artists (I'm still working on this issue by PM-ing the repeat offenders). If we were to allow album threads, the same posters would have not one, but two, threads for their favorite artist to bump up, and it would clutter things up even more.
On the other hand, I know I would have liked to have had a Sugarland Love on the Inside thread to discuss the album. One thing suggested to me via PM is that only certain album threads be allowed. That's a thought, but what would be good criteria to determine which albums warrant discussion threads? For example, the coming 2.5 months will see new releases from the likes of Kenny Chesney, Kellie Pickler, Toby Keith, Lee Ann Womack, Gretchen Wilson, Brad Paisley, Taylor Swift and Trace Adkins (among others, I'm just going off the top of my head). Does it make sense to allow album threads for all, none, or some? And if some, which and why?
I would appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks!
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Post by kw9461 on Sept 9, 2008 13:56:20 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with it the way it is. Because what will likely end up happening if there are two threads, is that people will post their opinion in the album thread, and turn around do the same in the single thread. It's exactly what happened in the Simpson case. People wouldn't merely shift discussion on an album (or future singles) to the album thread, they would end up having the same conversation in two different threads. I see your point though, b/c I also would've loved a thread for Love On The Inside, but that was a rare album, one that garnered tremendous anticipation and had many varying opinions once it was released. In that case it would've worked out fine, but is it worth it to open that can of worms for all albums? That I don't know.
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Post by Zach on Sept 9, 2008 14:14:41 GMT -5
I enjoy the album threads because we can focus on the the album and all the tracks in one thread instead of several different ones (Ex: current single's thread, upcoming albums, country news, etc.) so those who may consider purchasing the album (or just want to hear others' opinion) don't have to scavenge around the board to find the reviews, they are in one place.
BTW...what's been up with the board the past two days? It doesn't work half the time for me.
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Post by kw9461 on Sept 9, 2008 16:10:29 GMT -5
"i like totally went to the store and saw this magazine and like carrie totally called jessica simpson fat. like OMG! NO WAY!"
I never thought I'd see the day that I'd read such drivel in this forum. Ugh.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Sept 9, 2008 16:53:07 GMT -5
"i like totally went to the store and saw this magazine and like carrie totally called jessica simpson fat. like OMG! NO WAY!" I never thought I'd see the day that I'd read such drivel in this forum. Ugh. Post of the Year! I actually have little problem with the album threads , but I do see where some could. When you click the country threads and see that "Jess" has TWO single threads and an album thread all at once....it can be a...... bit much. Especially when you read that the majority of "discussion" combined adds up to kw9461 discription.
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Post by sandiego on Sept 9, 2008 18:05:06 GMT -5
Although I don't post very often, I read this forum all the time.
I can understand why some of the participants here might like to discuss albums in addition to singles. We've all run across those amazing songs that were never released as a single or that album that sparks our interest in it's entireity.
I also believe it would be rather harsh to only allow some artists to have an album thread. Who would sit in judgment about which albums were "worthy" enough to have their own thread?
I'm sure there is some drawback that I haven't considered as I make this suggestion.... but why not have a thread for each artist? Within that thread, discussion could occur regarding both singles and albums. This would prevent the forum from being flooded with too many threads about an artist with numerous singles and albums, while providing the opportunity to discuss all aspects of an artists work, be it single or album.
Just a thought.
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Post by drock89 on Sept 9, 2008 18:30:48 GMT -5
^That's been tried on another board that I used to visit, and it is just sloppy, and it takes away from the nature of a board like Pulse. It is a great idea, but, I think, it is not the right idea for Pulse.
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Post by bigbluenote on Sept 10, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
I like the way it is now. I enjoy reading and discussing in the album threads. It's not like one is created every single week for every album that comes out. I don't think this forum is cluttered at all. If you don't want to read some of the immature comments around, then quit going into that particular thread. It's really easy. I almost never go into a thread about Carrie, Kenny, Flatts, and the Kellie Pickler thread (which started off good and interesting).
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Post by leilamaurizia on Sept 10, 2008 7:43:19 GMT -5
I enjoy the album threads because we can focus on the the album and all the tracks in one thread instead of several different ones (Ex: current single's thread, upcoming albums, country news, etc.) so those who may consider purchasing the album (or just want to hear others' opinion) don't have to scavenge around the board to find the reviews, they are in one place. Completely agree. I really, really miss the album threads a.k.a the listening party threads. I used to post album reviews in there, sales for previous albums, and other stuff. Not to mention, it's a venue for discussing the artist in general if there is anything to discuss. Then, for future reference, all those data and discussions can easily be found. With the current set-up of having only singles threads, all those things are posted in the artist's current single thread. It gets messy to say the least. Plus, it discourages discussion. As what happened in the LeAnn WICC thread, there was an interesting, very civil discussion going on. A poster comes in and says another thread should have been started for that and he/she wants to go back to discussing the single, which had a point because it is, in fact, a single thread. However, it's not worth it to start another thread so... never mind. My instant reaction was "Okay, let's not discuss anything altogether and just go back to "#55!"... "great audience increase!"... "this should do well!"-- which I also enjoy as a chart-watcher, but I also want to hear opinions of others on certain stuff. We used to be able to work really well with the set-up before of having album threads and I understand there are a lot of new posters nowadays who can "abuse" that. However, I still have hope that things will settle down eventually and the new posters will either get used to how things are around here or they're just passing through and will eventually... pass through. Also, what's the word on the stickey requests? Is that an administrator/ moderator decision, dudley? The threads are moving so fast nowadays that the "updateable" threads keep getting pushed so far back.
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Post by WotUNeed on Sept 10, 2008 12:54:03 GMT -5
This is probably a stupid question, but since this is the Country radio forum, and there're two perfectly good fora where albums are intended to be discussed (A-J and K-Z), why wouldn't the album threads just be over there, as appropriate? I don't know why there would need to be, for example, a thread on the Jessica Simpson album over here when there's already a multiple page one in A-J. As of this post, Keith Urban and Taylor Swift threads are on the first page in K-Z.
It seems rather redundant to have album posts here when they can just as easily be placed over there, where they're technically "supposed to" go?
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Post by bigbluenote on Sept 10, 2008 15:38:14 GMT -5
^^ Technically, yes, album threads are supposed to go in that part of these boards. But a good portion of the country posters here at Pulse post ONLY in the Country secion and don't stray from them. Myself, I go into this forum and the Pop/CHR forum. Other than these two, I don't take the time to look at much else.
Because of that, I know that the moderator didn't have a problem at one point of having album threads in this forum.
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Post by kw9461 on Sept 10, 2008 16:45:25 GMT -5
^ exactly. I have the country forum directly bookmarked and I never go anywhere else on Pulse.
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Post by sbp17 on Sept 10, 2008 18:41:01 GMT -5
Because of that, I know that the moderator didn't have a problem at one point of having album threads in this forum. Yeah, at one time, I enjoyed the album threads for the more mainstream albums. But now, the fewer threads the better.
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Post by WotUNeed on Sept 10, 2008 21:20:06 GMT -5
^^ Technically, yes, album threads are supposed to go in that part of these boards. But a good portion of the country posters here at Pulse post ONLY in the Country secion and don't stray from them. Myself, I go into this forum and the Pop/CHR forum. Other than these two, I don't take the time to look at much else. Because of that, I know that the moderator didn't have a problem at one point of having album threads in this forum. I both understand and recall that, but what I'm saying is, wouldn't the obvious compromise to be to start enforcing the thread guidelines strictly? It would reduce duplicate conversations and, hopefully, stop topics from straying too far off base, and it wouldn't certainly provide fewer outlets for inane fan activity in the country forum. The problem isn't the setup of the boards; it's just that some posters aren't in the habit of clicking to the appropriate forum. It's not all that hard to get from the radio forum to the album ones, though.
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Post by bigbluenote on Sept 10, 2008 21:34:28 GMT -5
^^ Technically, yes, album threads are supposed to go in that part of these boards. But a good portion of the country posters here at Pulse post ONLY in the Country secion and don't stray from them. Myself, I go into this forum and the Pop/CHR forum. Other than these two, I don't take the time to look at much else. Because of that, I know that the moderator didn't have a problem at one point of having album threads in this forum. I both understand and recall that, but what I'm saying is, wouldn't the obvious compromise to be to start enforcing the thread guidelines strictly? It would reduce duplicate conversations and, hopefully, stop topics from straying too far off base, and it wouldn't certainly provide fewer outlets for inane fan activity in the country forum. The problem isn't the setup of the boards; it's just that some posters aren't in the habit of clicking to the appropriate forum. It's not all that hard to get from the radio forum to the album ones, though. I've been in those artist/album forums/threads. It's a mess. I know they have it separated from A-J and J-Z or something like that. But it doesn't help at all. That's why I like it all in the country forum.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 10, 2008 22:21:53 GMT -5
Also, what's the word on the stickey requests? Is that an administrator/ moderator decision, dudley? The threads are moving so fast nowadays that the "updateable" threads keep getting pushed so far back. I went ahead and stickied the Weekly Album & Single Sales thread and unstickied the Weekly Top 5/Bottom 5 thread, since there seemed to be no objection to that. Sorry for the delay...there were a few days in there during which the board wouldn't allow me to post or PM from one of the locations where I usually log in. WotUNeed, I am attempting stricter enforcement but one of the problems is that I can only react when things have already gone off course. And sometimes that means prolonging the derailment with a post of my own telling people to get back on topic...I've done it on occasion, but I prefer not to. And several people in this thread have raised fair points about the dangers of overmoderation. The larger issue is also one that has already been raised in this thread: ideally, the moderator doesn't have to be so active, because everyone buys into the "forum culture," so to speak. Just thinking out loud...maybe one possible way to go about album threads in this forum would be to limit allowable conversation to posting media reviews and our own reviews, as well as one-time posts about desired singles (and not allowing weekly sales updates after the first week unless they were edited into the first post?)? I'm not even at the point of advocating for this idea...it's just a thought that occurred to me. There would still be the traffic issue that several folks have raised.
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Post by kw9461 on Sept 11, 2008 1:28:11 GMT -5
^ Maybe just keep the album thread open for a certain period of time (a month, 2 months, ect) and then locking it, thus keeping only the newest album threads active (and avoiding having the same threads on the 1st page for 2-3 years). That would allow for what you're talking about, and keep the thread from re-appearing every time a single was released.
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Post by zaclord on Sept 16, 2008 17:42:09 GMT -5
didn't know where else to post this but i needed to say it somewhere...
WHERE DID ROCKINGCOUNTRY GO!? :o
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