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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 27, 2008 13:02:25 GMT -5
I'm starting a new thread because, based on PMs I've received and a few posts, there are some issues this forum's posters need to work out. Normally, I don't go for talking about the board on the board, but I'm going to make a temporary exception in this case. I don't really know how it's going to go, but I'm thinking some open discussion might be helpful. Here's the post from Zazie that prompted me to start this thread: who voted for Lee Brice ??? I really object to this post and the ones after it (except the ones by Lumpster, trying to be nice). I'm going to take a week off from reading the Pulse board and see if my temper cools down. If not, then you should be proud of yourselves for attaining your apparent goal of driving all the rational posters out of this place. It's not as if this is the only instance of this style of posting. Other people do it too. I just can't take any more of it. Dudley, in case you feel like scolding me -- I won't see your reprimand for a full week. I may never see it. I'm not being rude in not acknowledging it. In fact, I acknowledge it ahead of time. And here is my reply: I'm actually inclined to let this discussion play out, Zazie -- so I hope you'll see this and stick around to express your concerns in more detail. There is obviously some long-simmering concern from some of this forum's veteran posters about the direction in which discussion in this forum is going. I tend to think it is rooted in a major difference in communication styles between this forum's veteran posters and some of its newer posters. But it could be more than that. Typically, this forum's veteran posters would find ways to work out spats on their own. With the influx of newer posters, that hasn't been happening as much. So I'm thinking it might be worth it to have a little bit of discussion about what people's expectations are for the level and nature of discussion in this forum and what has been happening over the past year or so. I'll keep an eye on things, of course, and won't hesitate to shut down discussion if it degenerates. For now, have at it. But try not to be insulting -- the goal here is to figure out how to make discussion in this forum work so that rational posters don't feel driven from this place. ETA: While you're at it, there's another discussion with implications for the posting of iTunes and Mediabase updates going on in this thread, and I'd like to invite you folks to weigh in.
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Post by kim8 on Jun 27, 2008 13:18:38 GMT -5
I don't know if I have anything worthy to say, but I am fairly new to this board. Well, I guess it has been 9 months or so. I never really knew about this board until someone mentioned it on another board I visit every day. Once I found this place, I was in heaven becuase as a country music freak, I love reading about singles and other news. It is so interesting to me to hear other people's thoughts and opinions, some of which are very credible and insightful.
I confess I didn't read the forum rules or know the ins and outs of this board at all. I visit a ton of message boards, so I don't really take to reading everyone's rules. I just try to be nice and follow the rules I do see.
Hope I haven't done anything to offend anyone or make some of the regulars leave. :)
Just wanted to say this is a great place and I appreciate they way it is run. Great job and I hope it continues.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 27, 2008 13:29:35 GMT -5
This is EXACTLY what I feared (and predicted to you Dudley) would happen. Zazie is probably the single most respected poster on the board. I know Id personally have a little less reason hangin' around here without him. Hell, Id check out threads that I normally wouldn't even read if I saw Zazie had posted in them. Hes always been the most informed , balanced , and fair guy around. Even when I disagreed with him, hes logic was always spot on. And unlike a rare few (myself included) hes ALWAYS a class act.....
This just sucks.....
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Post by kim8 on Jun 27, 2008 13:33:40 GMT -5
Oh, and in Zaclord's defense (not trying to choose sides or anything), I personally took his question about who voted for Lee Brice as a joke. I thought he was just trying to be funny. I don't think he was trying to start any wars or anything.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 27, 2008 13:40:39 GMT -5
I don't believe it was that particular post as much as the general direction the boards been taking the last few years. I think that was just the proverbial straw that broke the camels back....
The place just used to be a bit more respectful....
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Post by kim8 on Jun 27, 2008 14:15:52 GMT -5
Hmm, I guess I haven't been around long enough to know how the place used to be.
Compared to a lot of other message boards I visit, this place is run with much more decorum ;)
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Post by drock89 on Jun 27, 2008 14:30:31 GMT -5
Well, personally, I'm tired of this being the Carrie vs Taylor vs Jessica board. When Pulse was going downhill a year and a half back or so, a few of us had proposed creating our own board so we wouldn't have to deal with the bickering and the "that's hot" nature of the pop board.
I hate to say it, but we almost need a rule of "IQ over 2" on this board. The majority of us, I would like to assume, are very well-natured, well-educated, and don't just blow off every chance we get. We don't get drug trench-deep into petty comments that lead to no discussion.
EDIT: Dudley, I don't think it's the new posters, per say, but some posters that are pop regulars that just don't get it. I don't, and won't publically, name names, but I think you know who I'm speaking of.
I'm not sure what can be done, but it needs to be made QUITE clear that we don't want the boppers on this board. We don't want hourly iTunes or Mediabase updates in every thread. We want to discuss the music quality of the artists in Nashville and analyze the news out of the Row in a educated manner.
Hate to say it but the Hick Music Forum has the most sophisticated posters on the whole board, and all the childish blabber is going to run us out of town.
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 27, 2008 15:23:17 GMT -5
First, thanks dudley for allowing this open exchange.
Second, I agree with Lumpster. No name draws me to a thread like 'zazie'.
Third, though SGG is bolder than I am, I do agree with his premise. The passers-by who don't give a damn about country do frustrate me. In fact, one admitted that they hated country but liked only the one artist. I would think one should get a warning for trolling if you express hate for the genre you're posting in.
This forum has gone through ebbs and flows. You've had the Shania troll, the Tim fanatic, the idol wars, etc. There are times where it gets more frustrating than others. But it seems to have reached a different level now (or my memory has faded). My problem now (at the risk of sounding elitist) is that with the pop artists crossing over to country and the country artists crossing over to pop, this forum is getting more and more like the others. An engaging discussion is broken up by a load of itunes updates. Eye-rolling, tongue-wagging emoticons are scattered throughout every thread. Some are more interested in challenging other people's opinions than expressing their own. And at any given point in time, I can predict what threads own 75% of the first page.
I don't think Zazie meant to single out zaclord. He had no choice but to call out a specific example to make his point and as was mentioned, that particular comment was the proverbial straw.
I don't know that I necessary have a recommendation. Without dudley, the train would have derailed months ago and too far off track to get back on. I think finding a solution to the mediabase/itunes updates will help. I think this thread will help. I think continuing to emphasize a respect for others and for country music will help.
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Post by libby on Jun 27, 2008 15:26:22 GMT -5
I very seldom post, but I come here daily (or more). I have been coming here for about a year now and I was thrilled to find a place to go that wasn't fan based. While a lot of the meat is still here, there is a lot of posting going on that makes it more tedious to wade through to find the good stuff. Losing Zazie (whose posts I respect a great deal) would only be the beginning of the end, I'm afraid.
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Post by dboulton on Jun 27, 2008 15:44:15 GMT -5
I have been reading and posting on this board for, I would guess, not much more than a year, and I'm afraid to say that the decline has been marked in that time. When I was first alerted to this board, I read it without contributing for a number of months and saw it as a source of information, debate, and insight that I could not get elsewhere. The majority of discussions, and contributors, were mature, well-natured, and above-all informed.
While there are certain threads in which contributors' expertise, passion, and knowledge shine through, these days the meat of the forum has been replaced with petty high-school like discussions of who's hot, who's not, and far too much of the "like OMG lol like Taylor/Carrie is like so awesome!!!1" type nonsense.
I am certainly not one of the posters around here who has added much, by way of expertise or insight, to the experience of other users and I do not claim to have done so. But I saw this board as a forum away from childish myspace-esque banter so often associated with online communities. These days, in any discussion about singles, I have to wade through pages of "LOL"s and "OMG"s and thoughtless odes to the latest poppiest country artists in order to get at the nuggets of wisdom and thought from some of the old guard. That is unfortunate. I hope Zazie will continue to post in order that I can continue to wade through the nonsense to get at the nuggets.
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Post by edwin1961 on Jun 27, 2008 15:59:26 GMT -5
I have posted on these forum since January 2007, by invitation, and found this area VERY informative and very unique than other forums that I've been on. And of course, I've been on forums where there are differences of opinion. At times when threads have gone out of control, a moderator would shut that thread down and warn the participants to control themselves.
Still after almost a year and I half, I am still learning who the most common posters are and what the like and dislike about the music and what their opinions are. All in all, I seem to get along with everyone.
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Post by realityBITES on Jun 27, 2008 16:16:23 GMT -5
I don't post much in this area, but I pretty much read it on a daily basis. I think the discussions are overwhelmingly informative and - with a few exceptions - the posters respect each other and their opinions. Of course, certain threads will deviate at times, but seeing how large this community on Pulse has gotten, I still think this area is a great place to discuss different country artists - old and new, alike.
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Post by austin on Jun 27, 2008 16:29:42 GMT -5
Well, personally, I'm tired of this being the Carrie vs Taylor vs Jessica board. When Pulse was going downhill a year and a half back or so, a few of us had proposed creating our own board so we wouldn't have to deal with the bickering and the "that's hot" nature of the pop board. This is exactly where I am at as well. It's almost impossible to go into a Carrie thread without someone bashing her and then her overwhelmingly large Pulse fanbase coming to her defense every 2-3 pages. I am not stating that Carrie fans are the problem AT ALL. But the Carrie vs. Taylor debates are ridiculous and they aren't anything about comparing songs, vocals or success. They are more along the lines of "Taylor's live vocals are disgusting" and "Carrie is the worst songwriter in the entire world compared to Taylor". It's just really childish on the board these days and it makes it alot less fun to be around. If it wasn't for the ISNTANT updates on singles from artists I love as soon as they are sent to radio, I would already be gone.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 27, 2008 17:00:08 GMT -5
First, thanks dudley for allowing this open exchange. Second, I agree with Lumpster. No name draws me to a thread like 'zazie'. Third, though SGG is bolder than I am, I do agree with his premise. The passers-by who don't give a damn about country do frustrate me. In fact, one admitted that they hated country but liked only the one artist. I would think one should get a warning for trolling if you express hate for the genre you're posting in. This forum has gone through ebbs and flows. You've had the Shania troll, the Tim fanatic, the idol wars, etc. There are times where it gets more frustrating than others. But it seems to have reached a different level now (or my memory has faded). My problem now (at the risk of sounding elitist) is that with the pop artists crossing over to country and the country artists crossing over to pop, this forum is getting more and more like the others. An engaging discussion is broken up by a load of itunes updates. Eye-rolling, tongue-wagging emoticons are scattered throughout every thread. Some are more interested in challenging other people's opinions than expressing their own. And at any given point in time, I can predict what threads own 75% of the first page. I don't think Zazie meant to single out zaclord. He had no choice but to call out a specific example to make his point and as was mentioned, that particular comment was the proverbial straw. I don't know that I necessary have a recommendation. Without dudley, the train would have derailed months ago and too far off track to get back on. I think finding a solution to the mediabase/itunes updates will help. I think this thread will help. I think continuing to emphasize a respect for others and for country music will help. Dang, Zazie-who? sbp17 is now my favorite poster. If for no other reason then to give me one more notch as to why I hate country and pop inner-breeding. I think everybody has given perfectly valid points as what has happened to the board, but I still see no way to "fix" the problem .... well short of sending a note home to the parents of the violators. Theres simply no way to fix "my star can beat up your star". Honestly , I don't care if we sound elitist or not. I rather enjoyed the place before we had to have a full time moderator Looking over us. No disrespect Dudley, its just sad that your job has come down to basically being a baby sitter for the country forum . I remember when I first started posting , I said some pretty rough stuff about Shania (she was my Rascal Flatts of the day). To which Zazie and a few others put me in my place really quick. It didn't take long to realize the set up at Pulse. And that it was built on respect. Without respect of fellow posters I see no way to stop it . And I see very little respect among alot of the newer posters. Lets face it, we all take a crack at artists we don't like, I know I do. Its just having a little tact about it. So you don't piss off the fellow posters that have differing views. Cant we just hang a no vacancy sign on the door?
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Post by kw9461 on Jun 27, 2008 17:46:29 GMT -5
I agree with most of what's been said. I've been coming here since about January '07 and I've found Pulse to be an enjoyable environment. I had previously frequented much smaller boards (ACC for a few years before it shut down, and a smaller forum that good folks like tenpoundhammer had going for a while). While I'm sure that more veteran posters have noticed a downward trend for some time, but I have really noticed a trend over the past few months. Prior to that, I felt like most of the Taylor vs. Carrie, and other juvuinile discussions were primarily isolated to the threads concerning those songs and artists (lets face it, if you want to find intellegent conversation about one of those artists, you're going to have to weed through a lot of pages to find it). And I never really had a problem with that, because you knew what to expect when you went into those threads. But now it seems like those sort of discussions are going on in more and more threads. What I'm seeing now is really a microcosm of the country music industry as a whole. Country is steering more and more towards a pop-like audience, and many of the "old-school" fans (I think it's safe to say that Zazie fits in this group) are being left behind. My tastes are a tad more diverse than some (Randy Travis is my all-time fave, and Brad, Rascal F., and Pat Green are my three favorite modern acts), but I'm really starting to get concerned about the direction of the industry as a whole (but thats another discussion for another time). What I'm trying to say is that, there probably isn't a true "fix" to the problem (aside from taking all the record executives hostage). Hopefully with a little urging from dudley, posters will become more respectful and learn to stay on topic (something I have trouble with from time to time) and Pulse will continue to be an enjoyable expirience. I just hope it doesn't come at the expense of fine posters like Zazie (whom I've respected greatly since his ACC days).
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Post by kim8 on Jun 27, 2008 17:49:01 GMT -5
Here is one idea. Seems kind of childish I guess, but if it may be a viable idea.
The mod could post a topic saying everyone read and reiterate the rules or what we don't want on this board. After that, when someone violates the rule, the mod could give them a warning in private and maybe a link to read the rules. If they violate it again, give them a second warning. Three strikes and your out kind of thing. After that, they could be banned for a month or something. Maybe that would get the point across. I'll keep thinking as this seems silly and a heck of a lot of work for the moderator who probably doesn't want to have to resort to this.
This is kind of what Gary Allan's board does and it keeps track of your warnings.
I don't know--just a thought.
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Post by bigbluenote on Jun 27, 2008 18:01:13 GMT -5
The first thing that comes to mind in regard to the quality of these boards is when Perp left. I would put him on the same pedestal (sp?) as we all place Zazie on.
I also have to agree that the constant iTunes updates are becoming extremely annoying and VERY unnecessary. Personally, I can care less about where a song is on the iTunes chart. And if I do want to know, I can just open iTunes on my computer or go into another forum to find it out. While I don't like Sugarland's new song, I still love Sugarland and would like to go into that thread to actually discuss the song, chart positions, any records that may be broken, what the next single may be, etc. All there is now are iTunes updates which I don't care about.
I also think it's annoying that a lot of the pop fans are coming into the forums for one particular artist and contributing absolutly nothing to the discussion.
While I really didn't add much of anything to this thread, I just wanted to reiterate and concur with some of the previous posts.
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Post by S4C on Jun 27, 2008 18:21:39 GMT -5
SMASH is up to #6 on the overall iTunes chart!!! Seriously? People can post like this even in the midst of this thread and the one in the announcements forum? (Note: Hope this isn't considered breaking the rules; I got rid of the poster's name and just kept the words to try and communicate what frustration I do have on this topic.) That said, I think the only way that most of those who do post like this are ever going to know what is going on in these threads is either a boardwide announcement about this or a PM to everyone who's doing it. And really, I doubt the power of the former choice.. but I'm pretty sure y'all mods and admins don't really want to spend the time weeding through the superfan threads to find out who all is doing it. I remember when I first started posting , I said some pretty rough stuff about Shania (she was my Rascal Flatts of the day). To which Zazie and a few others put me in my place really quick. It didn't take long to realize the set up at Pulse. And that it was built on respect. Ha, that's about what happened to me. Except I said something like "How can you like that song?"... to Zazie I believe... I think I learned my lesson there. In any case, Zazie has probably become one of my favorite posters over the past 2 years I've been here. I also will go into threads just to see what he posted - mainly threads such as the LeAnn Rimes threads (which I never would have touched otherwise). Here is one idea. Seems kind of childish I guess, but if it may be a viable idea. The mod could post a topic saying everyone read and reiterate the rules or what we don't want on this board. After that, when someone violates the rule, the mod could give them a warning in private and maybe a link to read the rules. If they violate it again, give them a second warning. Three strikes and your out kind of thing. After that, they could be banned for a month or something. Maybe that would get the point across. I'll keep thinking as this seems silly and a heck of a lot of work for the moderator who probably doesn't want to have to resort to this. This is kind of what Gary Allan's board does and it keeps track of your warnings. I don't know--just a thought. And I think that is kind of what we are based around presently... I have to hand it to the mods and admins who run this forum - I would ban someone upon the first rule violation if it were my rules. At least they give members a chance to change with warnings. I agree with the "must read" thread idea. (See 3rd paragraph.) The first thing that comes to mind in regard to the quality of these boards is when Perp left. I would put him on the same pedestal (sp?) as we all place Zazie on. I definately agree with that. While I really didn't add much of anything to this thread, I just wanted to reiterate and concur with some of the previous posts.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jun 27, 2008 18:28:59 GMT -5
SMASH is up to #6 on the overall iTunes chart!!! Seriously? People can post like this even in the midst of this thread and the one in the announcements forum? (Note: Hope this isn't considered breaking the rules; I got rid of the poster's name and just kept the words to try and communicate what frustration I do have on this topic.) I considered quoting that same post. In my opinion, posts like that have no place in the country forum. I agree with most of what has been said in this thread. I don't know the best way to solve all these problems, but I hope we find a way (not only so Zazie comes back, but also to prevent other good posters from leaving).
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Post by kw9461 on Jun 27, 2008 18:36:25 GMT -5
The daily Mediabase updates are annoying as well (threads like Jewel's new song). Using MB data to prove a point or even just to show excitement (or disappointment) for the songs progress is fine in my book (I've done it myself a few times in the We Weren't Crazy thread), but posting it every day is just overkill. If fans want to track the daily progress of a song, then they should get the MB link and check the progress themselves (it takes like 30 seconds).
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Post by austin on Jun 27, 2008 18:56:49 GMT -5
The daily Mediabase updates are annoying as well (threads like Jewel's new song). Using MB data to prove a point or even just to show excitement (or disappointment) for the songs progress is fine in my book (I've done it myself a few times in the We Weren't Crazy thread), but posting it every day is just overkill. If fans want to track the daily progress of a song, then they should get the MB link and check the progress themselves (it takes like 30 seconds). Alot of times it is posted TWICE a day, with each daily update, no matter how small the change. That gets annoying. But I agree with what you are saying and I have done the same from time to time as far as MB postings go.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jun 27, 2008 20:48:39 GMT -5
Maybe another thing we can try to improve is going less off-topic in the single threads. I don't mind one or two off-topic posts, but I think threads start to deteriorate when people start having conversations that last 4-5 (or more) posts. Also, a lot of the time it seems like the same people continue the off-topic discussions. Just some examples of some off-topic discussions taking place right now: 1. In the "Should've Said No" thread, 6 of the last 7 posts are (more or less) about various posters' favorite Taylor song. 2. Almost all of the 13 posts on the third page of the "She Never Cried In Front Of Me" thread are off-topic. The thread has basically become "worst songs of the decade"/"unlistenable songs." (I will give somebody60's post in that thread credit for talking about "High Maintenance Woman" and then moving the discussion back to "She Never Cried In Front Of Me." I don't have any problem with that, and I think more people should take that type of action.) 3. The last four posts in the "Good Time" thread is a back and forth exchange between two posters, which was started by one of those posters posting something off-topic. At the time of this post, all three of these (off-topic) threads are within the top four threads of the board.
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Post by zaclord on Jun 27, 2008 20:54:32 GMT -5
so all we can talk about is that single and that single only? so what if it gets a little off topic. there will still be talk about that single.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jun 27, 2008 21:09:52 GMT -5
so all we can talk about is that single and that single only? so what if it gets a little off topic. there will still be talk about that single. Well, aren't the single threads for talking about the single? We have album threads in the General Artist Discussion forum. If this was only Taylor's first/second single from the album and the album was just released, I could see there being a discussion on favorite songs from the album. However, this is Taylor's fifth single and her album is almost two years old. I'm sure everyone has discussed their favorite Taylor songs sometime before the "Should've Said No" thread was created. As I said before, I don't mind when there are 1-2 (or even 3) off-topic posts in a row. However, when half a page is off-topic, I think that's a problem. And as I also said before, I think the somebody60 post I referenced is a good example of what a poster should do if he/she wants to say something off-topic (i.e. say whatever it is you want to say that's off topic, and then bring the discussion back to the thread's subject).
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Post by Marv on Jun 27, 2008 21:24:37 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense to me, rowdawg21---thank you.
I also have to agree that tracking the I-Tunes sales/rankings are essentially irrelevant, since country music listeners download far less music (and CDs in particular) than the fans of most of the other formats out there.
Since downloads are NOT included in the weekly country charts at either Country Aircheck or R&R, why mention them in the first place?
The incessant Mediabase updates are also a nuisance; anyone can track them with a few clicks of their mouse.
Finally, the Taylor vs. Carrie (or anybody else) discussions are pretty juvenile as well, the equivalent of a food fight straight out of 'Animal House'.
This forum is supposed to be centered on the artists and their music, both currently and from the history books and archives of both the trades and the charts; we should strive to keep it that way.
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Post by zaclord on Jun 27, 2008 21:33:48 GMT -5
so all we can talk about is that single and that single only? so what if it gets a little off topic. there will still be talk about that single. Well, aren't the single threads for talking about the single? We have album threads in the General Artist Discussion forum. If this was only Taylor's first/second single from the album and the album was just released, I could see there being a discussion on favorite songs from the album. However, this is Taylor's fifth single and her album is almost two years old. I'm sure everyone has discussed their favorite Taylor songs sometime before the "Should've Said No" thread was created. As I said before, I don't mind when there are 1-2 (or even 3) off-topic posts in a row. However, when half a page is off-topic, I think that's a problem. And as I also said before, I think the somebody60 post I referenced is a good example of what a poster should do if he/she wants to say something off-topic (i.e. say whatever it is you want to say that's off topic, and then bring the discussion back to the thread's subject). well i dont know about anyone else, but i rarely leave the Country forum. i dont want to go over to the album threads and see rap artists, r&b artists, etc. i just would like to talk about Country artists. maybe if we had a sub board in the country forum for general discussion of country artists only, that could stop a lot of the off topic posts. thats just a suggestion, but i think that would work quite well. and look at how many country artists have their general discussion thread on the first page of the artists forum? it might have changed but i dont recall seeing anyone but Carrie Underwood's a few months ago when i went elsewhere on this board. and i dont want to dig up/start a new thread that people are much less likely to respond to
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Post by kw9461 on Jun 28, 2008 0:00:59 GMT -5
As I said before, I don't mind when there are 1-2 (or even 3) off-topic posts in a row. However, when half a page is off-topic, I think that's a problem. And as I also said before, I think the somebody60 post I referenced is a good example of what a poster should do if he/she wants to say something off-topic (i.e. say whatever it is you want to say that's off topic, and then bring the discussion back to the thread's subject). I think the biggest problem is when a thread gets off-topic multiple times. An off-topic discussion here or there isn't so bad (if it goes on for an entire page, then I guess that's a bit much, but if it's much less than that it doesn't really warrant its own thread), but some threads (I won't mention which ones) have chronic off-topic discussions. If you can read multiple pages of a thread and have no idea as to the actual topic of the thread, that's a problem. Maybe we could have a Random Thoughts / Off-topic postings thread to take these conversations if they start to take on a life of thier own (as in the case of the Toby thread).
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Post by musicfan_84 on Jun 28, 2008 0:21:15 GMT -5
I've been a member since this board first opened, and have been a country forum regular. In the four years I've been a member, I've been a regular poster up until about a year ago... I started the original Upcoming Singles post and passed the torch to rowdawg when I became far too busy to track.
I cannot remember the last topic I posted in. I visit every day and truly enjoy reading the updates and discussions, but I rarely post as it is far too difficult to wade through the junk. I have the same usernames that I look for every time I come in here to read discussions, and those would be in no particular order Zazie, Marv, SGG, sbp, rowdawg, austin and bigbluenote.
Not that others don't contribute in a positive light to these discussions, but these fine posters above stick to the topic at hand and continuously add their thoughtful insight.
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Post by :lakewoodfan: on Jun 28, 2008 1:08:02 GMT -5
I visit this forum pretty often (even though I don't post much), and while I agree with many of the disappointments that others have pointed out (and second, third and fourth many of them), I also must admit you guys do a fantastic job of making this a very professional/well read place for country music news. If there's a new single, I'm not going to CMT.com... I come here.
I think the best thing I have learned is to avoid threads labeled Carrie, Taylor and especially Shania. Who knows what can be done and how much discussion is too much, but I do agree the seemingly recent iTunes tracking is a crazy waste of time and space. The effort is much appreciated, but my goodness, I think it's apparent that no one needs a hourly update. Ha.
All in all, I guess I don't have much to add except with the changing genre comes a changing pulse crowd. I would say the best potential thing to do is exercise some more rules... but in the end it will come down to exercising patience and keeping the peace.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Jun 28, 2008 4:26:37 GMT -5
Well, aren't the single threads for talking about the single? We have album threads in the General Artist Discussion forum. If this was only Taylor's first/second single from the album and the album was just released, I could see there being a discussion on favorite songs from the album. However, this is Taylor's fifth single and her album is almost two years old. I'm sure everyone has discussed their favorite Taylor songs sometime before the "Should've Said No" thread was created. As I said before, I don't mind when there are 1-2 (or even 3) off-topic posts in a row. However, when half a page is off-topic, I think that's a problem. And as I also said before, I think the somebody60 post I referenced is a good example of what a poster should do if he/she wants to say something off-topic (i.e. say whatever it is you want to say that's off topic, and then bring the discussion back to the thread's subject). well i dont know about anyone else, but i rarely leave the Country forum. i dont want to go over to the album threads and see rap artists, r&b artists, etc. i just would like to talk about Country artists. maybe if we had a sub board in the country forum for general discussion of country artists only, that could stop a lot of the off topic posts. thats just a suggestion, but i think that would work quite well. and look at how many country artists have their general discussion thread on the first page of the artists forum? it might have changed but i dont recall seeing anyone but Carrie Underwood's a few months ago when i went elsewhere on this board. and i dont want to dig up/start a new thread that people are much less likely to respond to I completely agree!!! We should have a sub-forum for general artist discussion so we can discuss stuff about a certain artist without bringing there single thread off topic or if they don't currently have a single. Maybe have all country album threads out of the General Artist Discussion forum and into a Country Artist discussion sub-forum?
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