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Post by Jack on Nov 23, 2009 20:17:54 GMT -5
How can people buy this sh*t? Let alone listen to it.
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Post by Illusions on Nov 23, 2009 20:34:22 GMT -5
^^ She's a great singer!
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Post by desertflower on Nov 23, 2009 20:43:37 GMT -5
How can people buy this sh*t? Let alone listen to it. There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Nov 23, 2009 20:44:18 GMT -5
Whoa!!! Again I'll say where are those people that said SHE'D NEVER SELL A RECORD??? Right here! She will not do well in the US, that's for sure. Good for her.
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Post by Illusions on Nov 23, 2009 20:45:56 GMT -5
How can people buy this sh*t? Let alone listen to it. There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today. I would not usually listen to this type of music, but I just love Susan's voice!
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Post by Jack on Nov 23, 2009 21:05:20 GMT -5
How can people buy this sh*t? Let alone listen to it. There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today. Oh please. It's the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. I listened to her album once over, it's a massacre. Great songs by better artists and better singers ruined by her insipid brand of soulless, characterless garbage. The Rolling Stones slaughter is unforgivable, the Patty Griffin cover...the less said about it the better, it's woefully depressing. She's a spectacularly average singer to finish it all off. She would make/isn't the standard of the Opera/Musical singers she copies. She isn't good enough for that world, let alone this one. Her initial audition just happened to be an amazing song and an amazing story, that she happened to sing well. Everything else she's sung has come across as indetity-less and sub-par and she truly is. A true horror show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 21:12:12 GMT -5
I can't wait to see how much she sells.
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Post by desertflower on Nov 23, 2009 21:18:54 GMT -5
There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today. Oh please. It's the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. I listened to her album once over, it's a massacre. Great songs by better artists and better singers ruined by her insipid brand of soulless, characterless garbage. The Rolling Stones slaughter is unforgivable, the Patty Griffin cover...the less said about it the better, it's woefully depressing. She's a spectacularly average singer to finish it all off. She would make/isn't the standard of the Opera/Musical singers she copies. She isn't good enough for that world, let alone this one. Her initial audition just happened to be an amazing song and an amazing story, that she happened to sing well. Everything else she's sung has come across as indetity-less and sub-par and she truly is. A true horror show. Well she's not that bad. She isn't really my thing but I do think she has a fabulous voice and an interesting back story. I find her sales to be fascinating. I was reading articles in RS and other to cool magazines talking about the anticipated albums this fall...and nary a mention for Susan. I figured she was going to sneak up on people.
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Post by cking33 on Nov 23, 2009 21:20:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today. Oh please. It's the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. I listened to her album once over, it's a massacre. Great songs by better artists and better singers ruined by her insipid brand of soulless, characterless garbage. The Rolling Stones slaughter is unforgivable, the Patty Griffin cover...the less said about it the better, it's woefully depressing. She's a spectacularly average singer to finish it all off. She would make/isn't the standard of the Opera/Musical singers she copies. She isn't good enough for that world, let alone this one. Her initial audition just happened to be an amazing song and an amazing story, that she happened to sing well. Everything else she's sung has come across as indetity-less and sub-par and she truly is. A true horror show. Why so mean? It's Christmas! Lighten up. It's hard not to be happy for her. It's not her fault this has happened to her.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Nov 23, 2009 21:24:23 GMT -5
How can people buy this sh*t? Let alone listen to it. There are a lot of people.. obviously...who love to listen to good singing to classic songs.....without so much of the gimmickry that is present in music today. Well, she is, in herself, a gimmick. Her whole appeal is that she is the mold-breaker: average looking middle-aged woman with a big voice finds success despite the odds. That in and of itself is her gimmick. So while she doesn't rely on over-the-top stage antics or setting her tits on fire, she still relies entirely on her gimmicky appeal. Good for her on selling a buttload of albums though.
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Post by tsw2008 on Nov 23, 2009 21:34:43 GMT -5
And Rihanna isn't a Gimmick ? GaGa isn't a gimmick ? I don't hear people bitching about those two on here.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Nov 23, 2009 21:38:59 GMT -5
Where did I say they weren't "gimmicks"? I was simply addressing the implication that this woman does not rely on gimmicks.
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Post by desertflower on Nov 23, 2009 22:14:18 GMT -5
I think it is really a big stretch to call that a gimmick.
She sings without having to have her voice studio created. She performs without OTT antics. Amazing a singer who relies solely on her voice.
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 23, 2009 22:22:05 GMT -5
Celine Dion sold tons of records. Barbra Streisand sold tons of records.
Let's not pretend vocal-driven MOR crap doesn't sell.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Nov 23, 2009 22:22:36 GMT -5
Nah. Not a stretch at all. Just because it isn't flashy or in-your-face, it doesn't mean that it isn't a gimmick in some sense. It's just a different sort of gimmick. One that has hurdled her to the top of the charts apparently. I'm not criticizing her; just how I see it. A gimmick is defined as such:
2b applies to her. Like I said, she breaks the typical mold. She isn't a manufactured pop tart. Her authentic, real-life appeal is her gimmick. It helped propel her into worldwide stardom.
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 23, 2009 22:26:48 GMT -5
She may not be a manufactured pop tart, but vocal artists are the epitome of manufactured.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Nov 23, 2009 22:27:59 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. I don't disagree with that.
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Post by SHOOTER on Nov 23, 2009 23:51:28 GMT -5
It tickled me when I saw her CD on the shelf with a giant sticker on the front saying As Seen on YouTube!
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Post by starr on Nov 23, 2009 23:55:13 GMT -5
It tickled me when I saw her CD on the shelf with a giant sticker on the front saying As Seen on YouTube!LOL That is so cool!
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 24, 2009 4:54:36 GMT -5
I just listened to streams of some of the tracks from the album on Last.FM as I was curious. I was surprised by her initial performance on the UK reality show.
I probably won't be buying the album (at least not right now), but of the few tracks I heard, I thought she did a good job. I thought her cover of Madonna's "You'll See" was decent. It would take a lot to come close or surpass the masterpiece that is the original, but she came close. It has a theatrical feel to it, like it could be sung on stage in a show. The arrangement is beautiful. I also like her take on "Up To The Mountain." I loved Kelly Clarkson's performances of that during both the AI Gives Back and her last few tours.
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Post by LeonaLewis on Nov 24, 2009 5:43:46 GMT -5
I knew some fool was gonna start a thread about her. As if people will care once this competition is over. Her 15 minutes will come and go before you know it If she ever actually releases an album, I'll be shocked. No record label is going to take her seriously; she's completely unmarketable. I hate to say it, but it's the truth. She has a great voice, but her looks (or lack thereof) pretty much ruin any chance she would have at a career in music. Haha, bet all you are feeling pretty damn stupid right now. And, before you start, yes, I did get it right: Do you not think that is the exact reason she will succeed? It's this very contrast that has got her all the attention and fanbase. She's going to be very successful, I would say. Maybe not CHR, but definitely AC--where voice is really the primary factor to success.
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Post by Midgeymite-Pookanooka on Nov 24, 2009 6:32:15 GMT -5
All I can say is good on her. It's a fact that she will be number one now, and as a small bonus, she'll have massive, record breaking sales. People should be happy for her.
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Post by nyjoliebebe on Nov 24, 2009 9:43:24 GMT -5
I'm happy for her it's going to be fun to watch her success
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 24, 2009 10:19:28 GMT -5
She may not be a manufactured pop tart, but vocal artists are the epitome of manufactured. I disagree. Some are, but some have an actual love for finding great material and a great art for interpreting it skillfully and/or originally. Simply being a "vocal artist" is not an automatic signal of being "manufactured."
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Post by Jack on Nov 24, 2009 11:24:17 GMT -5
Some have an actual love for finding great material and a great art for interpreting it skillfully and/or originally. She doesn't/She doesn't. This is not a skillful/original interpretation of Patty Griffin's Up To The Mountain This is. And the only reason why she's singing that damn song in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 11:37:04 GMT -5
Her 15 minutes will come and go before you know it Haha, bet all you are feeling pretty damn stupid right now. Why did you quote that one? It still applies.
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 24, 2009 14:58:25 GMT -5
I really have no idea about the first "she doesn't," and I'm guessing none of us could at this point in her career, although I can't really fault her choice in material. As to her renditions, her voice seems pleasant enough from the clips, but I agree that I didn't hear any particularly special in this case that made me want to purchase this album; hence, I didn't make an argument about this Susan Boyle in particular, but rather the gross generalization I saw. I don't understand, however, what's so offensive to you about her success. Is Boyle the new Jane Morgan? Hell no. Does that make her the new Mrs. Miller? No.
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 24, 2009 15:12:22 GMT -5
She may not be a manufactured pop tart, but vocal artists are the epitome of manufactured. I disagree. Some are, but some have an actual love for finding great material and a great art for interpreting it skillfully and/or originally. Simply being a "vocal artist" is not an automatic signal of being "manufactured." Vocal acts don't write or produce anything they sing, at least not usually. They're puppets. Vocals are the point of their career, not the music. I like listening to great singers in this genre but even I'll admit their catalogs are abysmal musically. The term MOR was invented for a reason.
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 24, 2009 15:21:39 GMT -5
I disagree. Some are, but some have an actual love for finding great material and a great art for interpreting it skillfully and/or originally. Simply being a "vocal artist" is not an automatic signal of being "manufactured." Vocal acts don't write or produce anything they sing, at least not usually. They're puppets. Vocals are the point of their career, not the music. I like listening to great singers in this genre but even I'll admit their catalogs are abysmal musically. The term MOR was invented for a reason. You would make the claim that someone like, say, Sarah Vaughan, who could bring fresh life into many of her readings, or Michael Feinstein, who mines great songwriters' catalogues for lost classics and contributes a lot to rearranging and reinterpreting his material, both have abysmal catalogues simply because they don't have many songwriting and production credits? Or am I misunderstanding the group of artists to which you refer?
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 24, 2009 16:34:43 GMT -5
Vocal acts don't write or produce anything they sing, at least not usually. They're puppets. Vocals are the point of their career, not the music. I like listening to great singers in this genre but even I'll admit their catalogs are abysmal musically. The term MOR was invented for a reason. You would make the claim that someone like, say, Sarah Vaughan, who could bring fresh life into many of her readings, or Michael Feinstein, who mines great songwriters' catalogues for lost classics and contributes a lot to rearranging and reinterpreting his material, both have abysmal catalogues simply because they don't have many songwriting and production credits? Or am I misunderstanding the group of artists to which you refer? Umm... lack of reading comprehension much? They're puppets because they simply sing things handed to them, the music is abysmal because it is vocal driven, and that's it. I love Sarah, but for the voice. Standards were equally mind numbing as current MOR music.
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