Jonas Brothers - "Paranoid"

[nsfb17]

May 10, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Raven Symone: RIP (2003-2006) -- TV Show & Disney movies
Lindsay Lohan: RIP (2003-2005) -- Disney movies
Hilary Duff: RIP (2003-2005) -- TV Show & Teen Movies
Vanessa Hudgens: RIP (2005-2008) -- Disney Movies

And out of those 4, only Hilary really had any mainstream success in music. The rest were all minor players.

Lindsay's first album sold about 1.5 million copies; her second, over 500k. And her most recent single ('Bossy') topped the dance charts last year. I'd say her music has been fairly successful.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 10, 2009 20:57:36 GMT -5 blewis1103 said:

I remember reading an article in Details Magazine predicting that Nick Jonas would be the true longstanding pop star. At first, I thought it was ridiculous, but after reading it, it made some sense.

I now think that the Jonases, all of them, are beginning to fade. They are extremely overexposed (the only other pop act more visible than they are were the Spice Girls). I mean, releasing a new album less than a year after the last? It's insane. If they had a better managing team, they could've broken the Disney mold, ridden the wave of "credibility" they garnered in the past year, and last pretty long.

Nick stands no shot lasting, hes ruined his voice, it use to be very good when he was younger now its ruined. I think songwriting wise he'll definately continue doing that, but thats it.

and the thing is that is not only the movies and the tv and all that stuff that is over exposing them, but its not the constant release of music either. Its the promotion, they are the one act that HW has that gets way, way over promoted. that promotion for their 3D movie was insane and after the failure of that and the tv show disney and the JB management is going to promote the CD just as much because that needs to do well, and that kind of promotion iis way too much.
Hollywood Records and Disney have major promotion issues, either they over promote like crazy, they promote the wrong way or they don't promote enough.

oh and I'm saying it right now, if they actually do make that farting dog movie or whatever its called thats only going to make matters worse, it won't appeal to their fanbase at all and its going to get killed by the critics. Thats making a movie for the sake of making one.

[Hefty Hanna]

May 10, 2009 21:42:53 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

May 10, 2009 20:57:36 GMT -5 blewis1103 said:

I remember reading an article in Details Magazine predicting that Nick Jonas would be the true longstanding pop star. At first, I thought it was ridiculous, but after reading it, it made some sense.

I now think that the Jonases, all of them, are beginning to fade. They are extremely overexposed (the only other pop act more visible than they are were the Spice Girls). I mean, releasing a new album less than a year after the last? It's insane. If they had a better managing team, they could've broken the Disney mold, ridden the wave of "credibility" they garnered in the past year, and last pretty long.

Nick stands no shot lasting, hes ruined his voice, it use to be very good when he was younger now its ruined. I think songwriting wise he'll definately continue doing that, but thats it.

Oh, how you have that right. Singing the way he does takes a huge toll on the vocal chords.

[I Wish]

May 10, 2009 17:39:24 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Not always. It really depends on the artist. Some teen idols have the goods only to be teen idols. They don't possess the potential to move past that, mostly because they hit their peak in their teen idol days and their talent is tapped out.

I don't know if that's the case for the Jonas Brothers. I'm not really a fan, but I can be logical about their career. They just pretty much sold out a world tour. Obviously they've still got tons of fans willing to pay to see them play live. They may just not be a great brand for cross-marketing to TV or film. Maybe they were strictly meant to be musicians. I mean, really, how many of the hottest artists right now could post record numbers for a live concert movie? Not too many. Even the ones at the top of the charts. Do you really think Lady Gaga would be packing them in the theater? No. I don't see that happening.

There's also nothing wrong with building a large following as a "teen"-based act, and then carrying a portion of them, but not all of them, into adulthood. They may not pull in the same numbers as when they were ZOMG GIGANTIC, but they can pull in good enough numbers to have a solid musical career. The bar doesn't have to remain so high. Doesn't mean they "faded," just means that they're a different kind of artist than they were when they were teen idols.

Time will tell with the Jonas Brothers, but continuing success 5-10 years down the line is rare for ANY musician, regardless of whether they are called teen idols or not.

What an accurate post.

May 10, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

The Jonas Brothers, IMO, have a better shot than any of the four above because they were musicians to start. The missteps in their career may be believing that they were ever more than that. (And they do fine on CHR; as fine as a lot of other artists--Burnin' Up was a hit, maybe not a megahit, but it was a hit).

Agreed.

May 10, 2009 20:14:30 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

Honestly though Miley and as much as I dislike them, the Jonas Brothers are more of artists then any of those listed, they've always written their own music and can play their own instruments. I don't know if the Jonas Brothers can make the transition because they are a boyband and their fandom over them is very much driven by their looks and not their music. Miley I think might be able to do it, if she wants, shes already started to transition into country music, which seems to be the genre everyone seems to think she'll eventually end up in. I think she'll last because she is trying to reinvent herself and shes trying to do it while she is at the top.

Make no mistake about it, her MANAGEMENT & LABEL are "reinventing" her & having her do more country songs to ensure that she doesn't fade away when she's older. The label especially has already mismanaged almost all of the teen celeb's musical careers under their wing.

May 10, 2009 21:18:52 GMT -5 @nsfb17 said:

May 10, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Raven Symone: RIP (2003-2006) -- TV Show & Disney movies
Lindsay Lohan: RIP (2003-2005) -- Disney movies
Hilary Duff: RIP (2003-2005) -- TV Show & Teen Movies
Vanessa Hudgens: RIP (2005-2008) -- Disney Movies

And out of those 4, only Hilary really had any mainstream success in music. The rest were all minor players.

Lindsay's first album sold about 1.5 million copies; her second, over 500k. And her most recent single ('Bossy') topped the dance charts last year. I'd say her music has been fairly successful.

Inflated numbers. Unless you're talking worldwide. After all, ALMP barely cracked 300k in the US when it toppled off the charts.

Considering the Jonas Brothers have sold out MANY of their scheduled concerts, & that's been confirmed, I think people should wait a few more years before saying they're "over."

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 0:33:14 GMT -5 I Wish said:

Make no mistake about it, her MANAGEMENT & LABEL are "reinventing" her & having her do more country songs to ensure that she doesn't fade away when she's older. The label especially has already mismanaged almost all of the teen celeb's musical careers under their wing.

Considering her label keeps saying that they are not doing that and that they do not want her doing country music, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Her mangement is defiantely behind that, disney I wouldnt' be so sure. They've made it clear they want her to keep doing pure tween pop(theres the mismanagement). Yes disney is know for horribly mismanaging their artists music careers but I don't think her management is on the same page as disney is in regrads to where they see her career and if her management holds their position about her doing the pop country stuff like she wants to then I think she will be fine. Shes the only artist on disney's label that is even trying to be reinvented that way(and to be fair the only one that could, JB's, Demi, back in the day Hilary shouldn't and don't want to be doing country), so its a start. Disney's problem has in part been failure to realize when it is time to let the artist grow and mature and stop with the tweeny bopper music, they often let that happen too late.

May 10, 2009 22:39:23 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

May 10, 2009 21:42:53 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

Nick stands no shot lasting, hes ruined his voice, it use to be very good when he was younger now its ruined. I think songwriting wise he'll definately continue doing that, but thats it.

Oh, how you have that right. Singing the way he does takes a huge toll on the vocal chords.

its a shame too because his voice use to be soo good when he was younger. They really should have gotten him a proper vocal coach. Now its all ruined.

and honestly, it needs to be taken into consideration that first and formost the JB's are a boyband, people always say those bands will last and they never, ever do. Solo artist, typically female solo artists who are teen idols have the best shot at lasting.

[Felicia]

00 81 JONAS BROTHERS Paranoid Hollywood 101 0 101 1.120

This song is weak. Surely the boys can do better than this.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

^^ That's a good start though.

And I agree about Nick's voice. The kid has been on Broadway, right? And that's not in any way, shape or form a Broadway quality voice he has now. I've seen people scoff and voice coached kids, but if a kid is singing when he's young he really needs to be trained vocally, especially through voice changes. Not sure if it's too late for Nick--a voice can be trained back through therapy, but I doubt Hollywood is willing to let them slow down long enough for that to happen.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

^^ That's a good start though.

And I agree about Nick's voice. The kid has been on Broadway, right? And that's not in any way, shape or form a Broadway quality voice he has now. I've seen people scoff and voice coached kids, but if a kid is singing when he's young he really needs to be trained vocally, especially through voice changes. Not sure if it's too late for Nick--a voice can be trained back through therapy, but I doubt Hollywood is willing to let them slow down long enough for that to happen.

Nick, 12 years old, he use to be really good:


Obviously his voice was going to change either way because that was prepuberty but the way it is now is more then that, the way he sings has really ruined his voice. The problem is that his dad is his vocal coach and I'm not sure if he has the experience to be a vocal coach.

IDK if its too late, but if its not it soon will be and like you said his label isn't going to give him the time for his voice to be fixed. Its really a shame because hes a very good songwriter and he used to have a great voice.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 12:20:20 GMT -5 Felicia said:

00 81 JONAS BROTHERS Paranoid Hollywood 101 0 101 1.120

This song is weak. Surely the boys can do better than this.

This is being released on iTunes tomorrow, I wonder if it can sell enough to go top 10 on the hot 100 without much airplay.

[johnm1120]

I remember watching an interview with Billy Gilman and he said his doctor put him on vocal rest while his voice changed, because too much strain during that time could cause permanent vocal damage.

[I Wish]

May 11, 2009 7:48:10 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

Considering her label keeps saying that they are not doing that and that they do not want her doing country music, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Her mangement is defiantely behind that, disney I wouldnt' be so sure. They've made it clear they want her to keep doing pure tween pop(theres the mismanagement). Yes disney is know for horribly mismanaging their artists music careers but I don't think her management is on the same page as disney is in regrads to where they see her career and if her management holds their position about her doing the pop country stuff like she wants to then I think she will be fine. Shes the only artist on disney's label that is even trying to be reinvented that way(and to be fair the only one that could, JB's, Demi, back in the day Hilary shouldn't and don't want to be doing country), so its a start. Disney's problem has in part been failure to realize when it is time to let the artist grow and mature and stop with the tweeny bopper music, they often let that happen too late.

and honestly, it needs to be taken into consideration that first and formost the JB's are a boyband, people always say those bands will last and they never, ever do. Solo artist, typically female solo artists who are teen idols have the best shot at lasting.

lol I would love to read or see all this "Disney has made it clear they want her to stick to pure tween pop." Because as it turns out, that doesn't look to be true at all. "Breakout" was hinting at a more country sound, the Hannah Movie soundtrack has continued that. They've been making a very natural & calculated progression to more country sounding music. None of this "made it clear they want her to stick to pure tween pop" bull. Because that is BULL. Even the new Hannah songs such as "Let's Get Crazy," "Let's Do This" & "What's Not To Like" are hinting towards a country genre.

Besides, her label doesn't make ANY statements on ANY of their artists unless it's a press release promoting an upcoming project.

I'd also really like you to name 5-10 female solo artists, particularly previous teen idols, that have managed to last successfully since their careers started, because I could name just as many that HAVEN'T. :) As far as boy bands, just look at NKOTB.

May 11, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

^^ That's a good start though.

And I agree about Nick's voice. The kid has been on Broadway, right? And that's not in any way, shape or form a Broadway quality voice he has now. I've seen people scoff and voice coached kids, but if a kid is singing when he's young he really needs to be trained vocally, especially through voice changes. Not sure if it's too late for Nick--a voice can be trained back through therapy, but I doubt Hollywood is willing to let them slow down long enough for that to happen.

IKR? His voice seems more strained with every album it seems. The band doesn't even have the time for a break with the tour coming up & going on hiatus in September to film "Camp Rock 2." Following that, it's back to touring until 2010 when if there show does good, they'll have to shoot the second season.

During that, I'm sure Hollywood Records will have them recording sessions for their follow up to "Lines, Vines & Trying Times" to be released June - August 2010.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 13:34:31 GMT -5 I Wish said:

May 11, 2009 7:48:10 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

Considering her label keeps saying that they are not doing that and that they do not want her doing country music, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Her mangement is defiantely behind that, disney I wouldnt' be so sure. They've made it clear they want her to keep doing pure tween pop(theres the mismanagement). Yes disney is know for horribly mismanaging their artists music careers but I don't think her management is on the same page as disney is in regrads to where they see her career and if her management holds their position about her doing the pop country stuff like she wants to then I think she will be fine. Shes the only artist on disney's label that is even trying to be reinvented that way(and to be fair the only one that could, JB's, Demi, back in the day Hilary shouldn't and don't want to be doing country), so its a start. Disney's problem has in part been failure to realize when it is time to let the artist grow and mature and stop with the tweeny bopper music, they often let that happen too late.

and honestly, it needs to be taken into consideration that first and formost the JB's are a boyband, people always say those bands will last and they never, ever do. Solo artist, typically female solo artists who are teen idols have the best shot at lasting.

lol I would love to read or see all this "Disney has made it clear they want her to stick to pure tween pop." Because as it turns out, that doesn't look to be true at all. "Breakout" was hinting at a more country sound, the Hannah Movie soundtrack has continued that. They've been making a very natural & calculated progression to more country sounding music. None of this "made it clear they want her to stick to pure tween pop" bull. Because that is BULL. Even the new Hannah songs such as "Let's Get Crazy," "Let's Do This" & "What's Not To Like" are hinting towards a country genre.

Besides, her label doesn't make ANY statements on ANY of their artists unless it's a press release promoting an upcoming project.

I realize thats what they're doing, which is why saying the qoute I'm posting made no sense but they did say it. and her songs are not choosen for her(hannah stuff and movie songs (except don't walk away) not included, she writes them if they sound country its becasue thats how she wants them to be. Plus her voice has a country natural twang, if they don't edit her voice to death(which they didn't on breakout) then the songs will sound country no matter what. The person who said this is Walt Disney Records' senior vice president:
www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cotown-music2-2009apr02,0,2835385.story

"The Climb" may indicate that Cyrus could see some success as a country artist. The song has sold 583,000 digital downloads since its release in early March. It's her first solo single to breach the top 50 on Billboard's country songs chart, and it has given Cyrus her highest position on the U.S. pop chart, where it debuted at No. 6 and currently rests at No. 11.

Repositioning Cyrus as a country singer is not Disney's intention, Weatherson said.

"I think Miley has a heck of a career right now, whichever direction she wants to take it," he said. "All of her stuff to date, including this song, are pop-driven. I think you'll see that moving forward. This is just one of those songs everyone can relate to, and country radio gravitated toward it."

and I never said most don't last but if you look at the ones that do its more often then not the solo artists not the boybands. If NKOTB had been trying to stay big this entire time they wouldn't have done well. JB's are like another version of Hanson, except Hanson was better.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 13:27:04 GMT -5 johnm1120 said:

I remember watching an interview with Billy Gilman and he said his doctor put him on vocal rest while his voice changed, because too much strain during that time could cause permanent vocal damage.

yeah its bad for a guys voice to be singing during that time, especially if your untrained

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

May 11, 2009 14:04:35 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

May 11, 2009 13:27:04 GMT -5 johnm1120 said:

I remember watching an interview with Billy Gilman and he said his doctor put him on vocal rest while his voice changed, because too much strain during that time could cause permanent vocal damage.

yeah its bad for a guys voice to be singing during that time, especially if your untrained

I remember a story when Hanson was recording their first label album and Taylor's voice changed right in the middle of it. They had to stop, get him vocal therapy and then return back to recording after it was done. Granted, they did it so he could still hit the high notes and not to preserve his voice in the long run, but it probably saved his voice nonetheless (although I think his adult voice is higher now because of it). David Archuleta contracted vocal cord paralysis right before his voice change and it took him 2+ years to be able to sing more than 1 song at a time (my guess was it was a combination of illness plus voice change that caused the problem). But vocal therapy worked in his case too. In both cases it was a professional vocal coach... Nick desperately needs one.

[Au$tin]

May 10, 2009 21:18:52 GMT -5 @nsfb17 said:

May 10, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Raven Symone: RIP (2003-2006) -- TV Show & Disney movies
Lindsay Lohan: RIP (2003-2005) -- Disney movies
Hilary Duff: RIP (2003-2005) -- TV Show & Teen Movies
Vanessa Hudgens: RIP (2005-2008) -- Disney Movies

And out of those 4, only Hilary really had any mainstream success in music. The rest were all minor players.

Lindsay's first album sold about 1.5 million copies; her second, over 500k. And her most recent single ('Bossy') topped the dance charts last year. I'd say her music has been fairly successful.

Raven & Vanessa also had no promo thanks to Holly*s*h*i*t* Records. Hilary hasn't been given good promo either. But, she did well in Italy and the dance chart with Reach Out.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

May 11, 2009 17:12:41 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 10, 2009 21:18:52 GMT -5 @nsfb17 said:

Lindsay's first album sold about 1.5 million copies; her second, over 500k. And her most recent single ('Bossy') topped the dance charts last year. I'd say her music has been fairly successful.

Raven & Vanessa also had no promo thanks to Holly*s*h*i*t* Records. Hilary hasn't been given good promo either. But, she did well in Italy and the dance chart with Reach Out.

Well, Raven & Vanessa were always considered 3rd class recording artists by Hollywood. Examples of 1st class would be Miley & JoBros, 2nd class would be Demi (although she's being treated very well now, so dependent on how she does she could be moved up to 1st class), and 3rd class would be like Mitchell Musso. He'll put out an album and he tours, but he's given almost no promotion. Hollywood sees him (as they saw Raven & Vanessa) as "bonus" artists that may make a few bucks off a cheaply-made album, but are not really long-term investments.

Hollywood kind of sucks as a label. Even for its biggest artists. They're so hit and miss, and they'll shove you in a back corner if you don't make money for them right away.

On the plus side, they've got Disney behind them, and Disney has a big pocketbook, a tv network and a radio franchise. Hollywood has the promotional power that other labels would dream about. And then can put on huge tours for even their 2nd tier artists.

[Monroe]

May 10, 2009 21:18:52 GMT -5 @nsfb17 said:

May 10, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

Raven Symone: RIP (2003-2006) -- TV Show & Disney movies
Lindsay Lohan: RIP (2003-2005) -- Disney movies
Hilary Duff: RIP (2003-2005) -- TV Show & Teen Movies
Vanessa Hudgens: RIP (2005-2008) -- Disney Movies

And out of those 4, only Hilary really had any mainstream success in music. The rest were all minor players.

Lindsay's first album sold about 1.5 million copies; her second, over 500k. And her most recent single ('Bossy') topped the dance charts last year. I'd say her music has been fairly successful.

Topping the dance charts is seen as a major success story now?

[britfan]

Wow.. this thread lol. So much Jonas hate. Honestly, I wouldn't really say they're fading. People were expecting Hannah Montana numbers for their 3D Movie, which is crazy. They don't have the success of Hannah. All I can say is that they should stick to MUSIC. They do good in that. Their summer tour sold like 800,000 tickets over the first weekend that it went on sale, and sold out major cities. Theres still really popular.

Oh and I like this song.

[cookiemonster]

May 11, 2009 18:18:46 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

May 11, 2009 17:12:41 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Raven & Vanessa also had no promo thanks to Holly*s*h*i*t* Records. Hilary hasn't been given good promo either. But, she did well in Italy and the dance chart with Reach Out.

Well, Raven & Vanessa were always considered 3rd class recording artists by Hollywood. Examples of 1st class would be Miley & JoBros, 2nd class would be Demi (although she's being treated very well now, so dependent on how she does she could be moved up to 1st class), and 3rd class would be like Mitchell Musso. He'll put out an album and he tours, but he's given almost no promotion. Hollywood sees him (as they saw Raven & Vanessa) as "bonus" artists that may make a few bucks off a cheaply-made album, but are not really long-term investments.

Hollywood kind of sucks as a label. Even for its biggest artists. They're so hit and miss, and they'll shove you in a back corner if you don't make money for them right away.

On the plus side, they've got Disney behind them, and Disney has a big pocketbook, a tv network and a radio franchise. Hollywood has the promotional power that other labels would dream about. And then can put on huge tours for even their 2nd tier artists.

sorry to disagree with part of your statement...

but Vanessa has never been considered a 3rd class recording artists on Hollywood Records according to your class...I would consider her 2nd class.

on her first album her first single was actually sent to radio and hit #18 on mediabase and her 2nd single was sent to but it only had the video as promotion pretty much

She also had access to some top producers for her 3rd album but her horrible label decided to give her very little promo.

in your classification system I would have 5 classes...

1) Miley & The Jonas Brothers
2) Demi, Vanessa, Selena (most likely), previously Hilary who used to be in the #1 category
3) Corbin, Mitchel, previously Raven
4) non-Disney acts unless their single does well like The Plain White Tees

as for this song...its starting off really well...but I'm not suprised...lets just see how high it can go...their last couple of singles seem to be stalling before they get close to top 10

[LordEctar]

I think the only Disney act that Hollywood ever actually had in a top spot is Hilary Duff.

Even Miley Cyrus as an artist has suffered to not being promoted like dropping a single 8 years after See You Again did its own thing by becoming a success.

Vanessa, Corbin, Mitchel Musso, Demi all get crap promotion. You see Demi as a bit higher just because she has a tv show right now and Camp Rock most likely. Whey they didn't pump a little money to Vanessa is beyond my comprehension. She could have been huge coming off of HSM. It is like they don't realize the potential they have for $$$.

Hollywood is all about having all those artists just ride the success off of the other Disney things they are currently involved in.

Definitely dislike this new Jonas song. It is boring. I enjoyed stuff from their first album and Burning Up -- but it is clear now they are just cashing in ASAP since the 3D movie bombed and now their TV show was already beat by episodes of Hannah Montana, Sonny With A Chance, and even the Fairy Odd Parents on Nickelodeon.

[johnm1120]

Vanessa's main problem isn't the promotion. It's that she's given such crap to work with solo. I mean, wtf was up with Sneakernight? The whole Identified album was a mess!

Mitchel hasn't released his album yet. The In Crowd I think is very good though, and Speed Dial is good too. He's pretty hit or miss for me though.

Nothing special about Corbin. Run it Back Again was good, and that was pretty much it.

Demi definitely has the most potential, and I'd really like to see Hollywood push her. They're probably afraid she'll take spotlight away from Miley.

[Monroe]

Is this on Itunes yet

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

They're giving Demi a whole freakin' 43-city tour, and they're promoting it a ton to sell tickets. I wouldn't say she's getting crap promotion. She also just appeared on Ellen and DWTS not too long ago. They just sent her to London and La La Land got added to BBC Radio last week. I would bet that songs from her next album will get sent to CHR. Demi may be advancing to first tier, dependent how the tour and her next album do. She's not JoBros level, and she's certainly not Miley level, but she's way further ahead than Mitchel Musso, Corbin or Vanessa.

As for Vanessa--she pretty much didn't exist in any world that I knew about other than HSM. Maybe people can make a case for her being 2nd tier but she really did get crappy promotion. That she achieved one top 20 on CHR is probably despite all that. She got no major tour, she got no movie other than HSM sequels. I'm not sure what Hollywood has really done for her other than pump out some albums and make a few videos.

[Wrecking Ball]

May 11, 2009 22:33:02 GMT -5 johnm1120 said:

Demi definitely has the most potential, and I'd really like to see Hollywood push her. They're probably afraid she'll take spotlight away from Miley.

Demi has an awesome voice, I like her. I don't think HR is the right place for her though. Well its not the right place for a lot of these kids but epsecially not Demi. I don't think she really appeals to tweens and by being at disney shes now stuck with the disney label so a lot of adults won't give her a chance either. and i don't disney is afraid of her taking the spot light from Miley. They've tried to push Demi and Selena as Miley's replacements and it just didn't work. I don't think anyone is taking that top spot until Miley's gone and I think disney knows that, so I don't think they're worried about that. I just don't think Demi has the appeal with tween.

and this is available on iTunes tomorrow, i wonder how it will do.

[SO.UNCOOL™]

May 11, 2009 22:33:02 GMT -5 johnm1120 said:

Vanessa's main problem isn't the promotion. It's that she's given such crap to work with solo. I mean, wtf was up with Sneakernight? The whole Identified album was a mess!

Vanessa's main problem is def. promotion.
She proved with her first album that she can put up decent #'s and that radio was willing to play her.
The album sold 570k and CBTM peaked #18 on top 40 radio.
"Say OK" could have been a hit but they just sent it for adds without doing any promo not to mention the bad timing in which it was released (while she was shooting HSM2) but even though it flopped it remains a fan favorite with the music video one of the most watched on youtube with over 50 million views.

And yes "Sneakernight" was a mess but the only reason why it was even chosen as the first single was to save HR money. If you hadn't noticed the video doubles as a commercial for Ecko Red's shoe line which V endorses. Marc Ecko financed that entire video, HR didn't pay a cent.
The 'Identified' album had waaaay better songs & ones that could have worked well as singles ("Identified", "First Bad Habit", "Hook It Up", "Amazed" & "Don't Leave).
If Vanessa was given the promotion that say Jesse McCartney is given (even though his album continues to flop he gets loads of promo) she could have put up better #'s. Even with the floppy mess that was "Sneakernight" 'Identified' was catching up to 'Departure' 's sales when it was charting.

[LordEctar]

She should have released "First Bad Habbit" -- that was a great track. I think the Ecko thing actually hurt the album since they had to use that Sneakernight thing.

And yes, Paranoid is now on iTunes:
itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=314584420&s=143441

[Monroe]

Oh wow hearing this in high quality really shows how bad thier vocals are.

[SO.UNCOOL™]

May 11, 2009 22:40:17 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

As for Vanessa--she pretty much didn't exist in any world that I knew about other than HSM. Maybe people can make a case for her being 2nd tier but she really did get crappy promotion. That she achieved one top 20 on CHR is probably despite all that. She got no major tour, she got no movie other than HSM sequels. I'm not sure what Hollywood has really done for her other than pump out some albums and make a few videos.

It isn't HR's job to get Vanessa movies though.
She does have a new film hitting theaters this summer and other movie projects lined up now but yea she got no major tour and just overall lousy promotion.

It's a shame cause she is very marketable and gets alot of press coverage in the media revolving her personal life that the label could use. Hopefully they will use it to thier advantage for her 3rd album but I'm not betting on it ...

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May 11, 2009 22:48:20 GMT -5 Wrecking Ball said:

Demi has an awesome voice, I like her. I don't think HR is the right place for her though. Well its not the right place for a lot of these kids but epsecially not Demi. I don't think she really appeals to tweens and by being at disney shes now stuff with the disney label so a lot of adults won't give her a chance either. and i don't disney is afraid of her taking the spot light from Miley. They've tried to push Demi and Selena as Miley's replacements and it just didn't work. I don't think anyone is taking that top spot until Miley's gone and I think disney knows that, so I don't think they're worried about that. I just don't think Demi has the appeal with tween.

and this is available on iTunes tomorrow, i wonder how it will do.

Demi should be with Jive--they do more straight pop and pop-rock now, and she's about the right age. But yeah, whatever.

I disagree that pushing Demi as Miley's "replacement" didn't work--they've barely started with that. They won't go full throttle until HM is no longer on the air. Believe me--Mitchel, Corbin and Vanessa would kill for what Demi is getting now. And Selena is supposed to be the next big acting star with WOWP movies and all that (music being a second thing for her, whereas Demi's focus seems to be the other way around).

And back on topic--I'm not sure how this single will do on iTunes. On the one hand there's buzz that it's the first single off their next album. On the other hand, it's not as pop-friendly as Burnin' Up, and it doesn't have a whole lot of airplay yet. I think it'll go top 10 on iTunes for sure, but not sure if it can take the #1 spot.

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May 11, 2009 22:56:32 GMT -5 SO.UNCOOL™ said:

May 11, 2009 22:40:17 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

As for Vanessa--she pretty much didn't exist in any world that I knew about other than HSM. Maybe people can make a case for her being 2nd tier but she really did get crappy promotion. That she achieved one top 20 on CHR is probably despite all that. She got no major tour, she got no movie other than HSM sequels. I'm not sure what Hollywood has really done for her other than pump out some albums and make a few videos.

It isn't HR's job to get Vanessa movies though.
She does have a new film hitting theaters this summer and other movie projects lined up now but yea she got no major tour and just overall lousy promotion.

It's a shame cause she is very marketable and gets alot of press coverage in the media revolving her personal life that the label could use. Hopefully they will use it to thier advantage for her 3rd album but I'm not betting on it ...

I was talking about Disney jobs--Disney/Hollywood work together with their cross-marketed stars. It's her management's job to get her other outside work, but the topic was how Disney/Hollywood is treating these guys.