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Post by sunpeach on May 30, 2009 23:17:13 GMT -5
I think "crush" was too bubblegum and teeny-bopper and that was it's main problem- the initial interest in it was very high but it wasn't mature enough to appeal to too many people over 16. I don't think Kris would pick a song like that so he will not encounter that same problem. Kris's main problem won't be the lyrically content but the music. If he gets something like "Light on"- forget it.
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Post by hellothere on May 31, 2009 1:06:33 GMT -5
Is there an adds date for this? Is the label even pushing it at all? Usually, the coronation songs aren't promoted to radio; the only ones that got adds dates and radio promo were AMLT and TOML. So, it wouldn't be all that surprising if no real support was thrown in NB's direction. But... it would be nice to get an official announcement on the label (Jive?) and management (I hope it is anyone but 19); they might have to remove their heads from Adam's ass for a minute or two in order to do that, though.
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Post by HEAT on May 31, 2009 1:33:17 GMT -5
It looks like 'Heartless' would have stronger legs than this.
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Post by frank on May 31, 2009 9:27:20 GMT -5
It looks like 'Heartless' would have stronger legs than this. If that happens in the end it would be the ultimate LOL. I really can't wait for his first single.
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Post by Felicia on May 31, 2009 11:13:00 GMT -5
There's no adds date for this.
Has he started on his album yet?
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Post by Rurry on May 31, 2009 13:55:43 GMT -5
I'm still not understanding how they "buried" anything. Stations didn't play TIMN, so it was forgotten. I don't really think there was a conscious effort to bury anything. It flopped on it's own. No help needed. No, they never gave TIMN an adds date, while TOML had one I believe. It looks like they're doing the same for this. I think "crush" was too bubblegum and teeny-bopper and that was it's main problem- the initial interest in it was very high but it wasn't mature enough to appeal to too many people over 16. I don't think Kris would pick a song like that so he will not encounter that same problem. Kris's main problem won't be the lyrically content but the music. If he gets something like "Light on"- forget it. Crush went to #12 on CHR and has sold close to 2 million digitally so obviously it appealed to people over the age of 16. People need to stop acting like if a song didn't hit the top 10 5 on CHR, it flopped. Light On was also a decent CHR hit, an okay digital seller (pretty close to platinum) and a big HAC hit. Personally, I think a song on the level of success of either of those songs would be extremely good for Kris because frankly I don't see him being all that CHR-friendly.
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Post by HEAT on May 31, 2009 18:04:02 GMT -5
I-tunes update?
Is it out of the Top 10 already?
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Post by vandj4ever on May 31, 2009 18:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by frank on Jun 1, 2009 15:35:23 GMT -5
Dropped to #19. Ouch.
I really hope radio touches this. It's really a grower.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jun 1, 2009 15:40:56 GMT -5
Dropped to #19. Ouch. I really hope radio touches this. It's really a grower. Why, though? I have faith that in August or so, Kris can release something far better than this. Do we want it to live an endless life on AC radio? If this becomes big, there's the big problem that this is the song Kris is most identified with by the general public (those who don't pay attention to charts or add dates). Even though Light On did decently on CHR and Come Back to Me is doing alright on Hot AC, if you asked the average person on the street to name a David Cook song, I think that Time Of My Life might come up more often than either one of those songs. Until Cook gets a true smash, that's how it'll be. I don't want that for Kris. I want this song to die a quick death and for him to be identified with a song that is far more "him."
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Post by musicluver on Jun 1, 2009 20:22:02 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised that Kris is with Jive. He doesn't have big pipes like Jordin or Archie and doesn't have much of a distinguishing voice so I don't think he'll do big pop/r&b songs but rather go the acoustic/folk route. Perhaps Jive is trying to branch out in terms of genre.
^ I also think it's wrong to argue that Kris is more marketable than Adam b/c he's sold more so far. But all those songs are idol-related..and before the win Adam was even selling more. I'd rather make a judgement after their own singles are released. Cook always outsold Archuleta on the show but Archuleta's official single passed Cook's. I think Adam is no doubt more of a "celebrity" right now than Kris (based on buzz, google trends, etc) even though he's selling less right now. Jive is pretty good at cultivating artists though.
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Post by kml567 on Jun 1, 2009 20:37:56 GMT -5
The closest Jive artist to Kris is probably Nick Lachey. I hope they do a better job with Kris. My biggest concern is that Kris ends up with a Lachey-like album filled with unmemorable bland pop/rock songs. As people have said already, the 1st single is key. I just hope Jive knows how to promote well within HotAC. They dont' exactly have much of a track record.
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Post by I Wish on Jun 1, 2009 20:54:44 GMT -5
^ I'm terrified of an album like "What's Left Of Me" as well.
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Post by realityBITES on Jun 1, 2009 21:22:45 GMT -5
Eh, it's falling...but everything from the Idol finale is falling big time too. No radio play = no sales.
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Post by ZAYN on Jun 1, 2009 22:00:50 GMT -5
In the spirit of Borat/Bruno...I've updated the title.
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Post by hellothere on Jun 2, 2009 2:15:03 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised that Kris is with Jive. He doesn't have big pipes like Jordin or Archie and doesn't have much of a distinguishing voice so I don't think he'll do big pop/r&b songs but rather go the acoustic/folk route. Perhaps Jive is trying to branch out in terms of genre. ^ I also think it's wrong to argue that Kris is more marketable than Adam b/c he's sold more so far. But all those songs are idol-related..and before the win Adam was even selling more. I'd rather make a judgement after their own singles are released. Cook always outsold Archuleta on the show but Archuleta's official single passed Cook's. I think Adam is no doubt more of a "celebrity" right now than Kris (based on buzz, google trends, etc) even though he's selling less right now. Jive is pretty good at cultivating artists though. I agree that you can't say that Kris is more marketable based on AI sales; I think you could say he has more of a mass appeal while Adam has more of a niche appeal, IMO. As far as sales during the show, there was only one leak mid-April (Adam was leading the pack, and Kris was behind him) but none of them were selling like Cook did last year (based on the popularity bars and relative chart placements, one could easily assume that the highest ranking Adam track was in the 30s, as opposed to Cook's Billie Jean and ABMB, which hit and stayed for several days at #1). Selling a song on a TV show does not always equate to sales later; just ask Mr. Cook how well his post-show singles have sold. And, post-finale, Kris has been selling more; we have no idea how the six weeks prior shook out and we probably never will. Lastly, the "celebrity" thing: Does Adam have more buzz? Well, duh. But how much of it is positive and how much of it has anything whatsoever to do with music? If being a celebrity in and of itself sold albums, Paris Hilton would be a music megastar. And, Ms. Jessica Simpson, tabloid fodder for the ages, how did her last album sell? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think either one of these guys is going to set the music world on fire, but in the long run, I think Kris will do better if only because he has a defined, current music market to go into along with his good looks and boy-next-door appeal. He isn't trying to make some sort of new, unheard of music genre coming off of American Idol, cuz we all know how well those efforts have done in the past.
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Post by musicluver on Jun 2, 2009 3:21:22 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised that Kris is with Jive. He doesn't have big pipes like Jordin or Archie and doesn't have much of a distinguishing voice so I don't think he'll do big pop/r&b songs but rather go the acoustic/folk route. Perhaps Jive is trying to branch out in terms of genre. ^ I also think it's wrong to argue that Kris is more marketable than Adam b/c he's sold more so far. But all those songs are idol-related..and before the win Adam was even selling more. I'd rather make a judgement after their own singles are released. Cook always outsold Archuleta on the show but Archuleta's official single passed Cook's. I think Adam is no doubt more of a "celebrity" right now than Kris (based on buzz, google trends, etc) even though he's selling less right now. Jive is pretty good at cultivating artists though. I agree that you can't say that Kris is more marketable based on AI sales; I think you could say he has more of a mass appeal while Adam has more of a niche appeal, IMO. As far as sales during the show, there was only one leak mid-April (Adam was leading the pack, and Kris was behind him) but none of them were selling like Cook did last year (based on the popularity bars and relative chart placements, one could easily assume that the highest ranking Adam track was in the 30s, as opposed to Cook's Billie Jean and ABMB, which hit and stayed for several days at #1). Selling a song on a TV show does not always equate to sales later; just ask Mr. Cook how well his post-show singles have sold. And, post-finale, Kris has been selling more; we have no idea how the six weeks prior shook out and we probably never will. Lastly, the "celebrity" thing: Does Adam have more buzz? Well, duh. But how much of it is positive and how much of it has anything whatsoever to do with music? If being a celebrity in and of itself sold albums, Paris Hilton would be a music megastar. And, Ms. Jessica Simpson, tabloid fodder for the ages, how did her last album sell? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think either one of these guys is going to set the music world on fire, but in the long run, I think Kris will do better if only because he has a defined, current music market to go into along with his good looks and boy-next-door appeal. He isn't trying to make some sort of new, unheard of music genre coming off of American Idol, cuz we all know how well those efforts have done in the past. I'm not sure Kris has mass appeal yet. I feel like he appeals mostly to young girls. I didn't really watch S8 but my parents both liked Adam more and they're both super conservative lol. Kris does have his boy-next-door appeal and good looks but there's many with those traits too. Even musically, I don't really see him at the Jason Mraz level but I think Jive will probably promote him as a young Mraz.
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Post by rfucom on Jun 2, 2009 3:54:31 GMT -5
Its like Drake as young Lil wayne and Kris as young Jason Mraz ??? LOL
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Post by Ragin on Jun 2, 2009 7:11:29 GMT -5
This is one artist I'm not worried about. He is crazy talented, can re-work just about anything and his arrangements are fantastic. I think he'll be fine. The question is more one of where besides HotAC will he be embraced?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jun 3, 2009 12:11:27 GMT -5
I agree that you can't say that Kris is more marketable based on AI sales; I think you could say he has more of a mass appeal while Adam has more of a niche appeal, IMO. As far as sales during the show, there was only one leak mid-April (Adam was leading the pack, and Kris was behind him) but none of them were selling like Cook did last year (based on the popularity bars and relative chart placements, one could easily assume that the highest ranking Adam track was in the 30s, as opposed to Cook's Billie Jean and ABMB, which hit and stayed for several days at #1). Selling a song on a TV show does not always equate to sales later; just ask Mr. Cook how well his post-show singles have sold. And, post-finale, Kris has been selling more; we have no idea how the six weeks prior shook out and we probably never will. Lastly, the "celebrity" thing: Does Adam have more buzz? Well, duh. But how much of it is positive and how much of it has anything whatsoever to do with music? If being a celebrity in and of itself sold albums, Paris Hilton would be a music megastar. And, Ms. Jessica Simpson, tabloid fodder for the ages, how did her last album sell? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think either one of these guys is going to set the music world on fire, but in the long run, I think Kris will do better if only because he has a defined, current music market to go into along with his good looks and boy-next-door appeal. He isn't trying to make some sort of new, unheard of music genre coming off of American Idol, cuz we all know how well those efforts have done in the past. I'm not sure Kris has mass appeal yet. I feel like he appeals mostly to young girls. I didn't really watch S8 but my parents both liked Adam more and they're both super conservative lol. Kris does have his boy-next-door appeal and good looks but there's many with those traits too. Even musically, I don't really see him at the Jason Mraz level but I think Jive will probably promote him as a young Mraz. I think that's an incredibly ignorant assumption. I don't know how people get this idea that Kris' fans are mostly young girls. Kris is 23- that's 2 older than Jason Castro was.And they were both acoustic singer-songwriter guys. Yet Jason had all old ladies and Kris' fans are all young girls? Why? Because Kris is short? Kris has no more teenage appeal than Jason or Cook did last year. And he has no more teenage appeal than Adam really- except he's cuter, I guess. And there is no way in hell Kris could've won with just the teenage girl vote. Idol viewers are mostly middle aged people, so it's just not possible. It just seems like people don't want to give him credit. First it's the gay thing, then the Arkansas thing, then the AT&T thing, and now its the teenagers. If he isn't successful, it will because of the music he puts out. His appeal is actually his strongest points, because his h8tr populatoon is incredibly low for a winner. Nothing polarizing about him.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jun 3, 2009 14:13:39 GMT -5
^^ While I agree that Kris's vote wasn't primarily teenagers because the Idol audience skews much older than that, having teenage fans is not a bad thing to have. No artist has "mass appeal" if the definition of that is to appeal to all age groups, genders and types. Each artist/band has their niche, and some niches are larger than others. The teenage fan niche is huge, so Kris would be lucky to have them (the downside being that the younger the audience is, the less the audience buys full albums, or the more they download illegally, but the upsides are plenty). A teenage fan base is not a bad thing. They go to concerts, they buy merchandise, they are quite loyal if the artist grabs and keeps their attention. So I don't get the argument that claiming a teenage fan base makes the artist not "credible." I don't get why a middle-aged audience is more credible.
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Post by I Wish on Jun 3, 2009 14:28:04 GMT -5
Kris' fans in my family consist of me (18), my mother (43), my sister (13) & my brother (12).
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Post by desertfloods on Jun 3, 2009 23:59:14 GMT -5
Seriously, that "teen vote" assumption is silly. You have so many young Adam fans swooning over him as well, but just because he has a more "mature" looks people assume his fans are older? Looks can only get you so far on Idol. Not enough to win for sure.
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Post by hellomadge69 on Jun 4, 2009 11:05:09 GMT -5
"Crush went to #12 on CHR and has sold close to 2 million digitally so obviously it appealed to people over the age of 16."
Huh? Just because a song sold 2 million copies, it doesn't mean that it's not only teenagers who are buying it.
I mean, who do you think bought all those copies of Britney's Baby One More Time?
But anyway, neither Kris nor Adam will have much success as mainstream pop artists; Adam is too much of left-field,(plus his image is Glamrock meets Queen meets Kiss...hardly what I would call current or pop-radio-today-friendly) and Kris is simply too indistinct, too bland. How is he any different from Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz et al?
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Post by MOWE on Jun 4, 2009 12:18:27 GMT -5
Kris is simply too indistinct, too bland. How is he any different from Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz et al? He's hipper, younger, and better-looking, for starters. And he also has had 3 months worth of free exposure on one of the most-watched TV shows right now. He'll be fine IMO.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Jun 4, 2009 13:43:05 GMT -5
^ Yeah. He's much hotter than Jason and Jack. And he's really charming, and that helps a lot. And he was on idol, which means he has a built in fanbase. Either way, he's guaranteed to go at least gold.
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Post by ZAYN on Jun 4, 2009 14:33:03 GMT -5
Or I'll have to buy 500,000 myself!LOL JK
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Post by I Wish on Jun 4, 2009 14:56:23 GMT -5
I don't really understand the Quick Cut, is this gaining in radio airplay a bit? It looks like it based on yesterday's quick cut vs. today's.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jun 4, 2009 15:49:55 GMT -5
I think it's telling that this doesn't have an add date yet.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 4, 2009 21:40:25 GMT -5
Kris is simply too indistinct, too bland. How is he any different from Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz et al? Wait if Kris is really similar to Jack Johnson this No Boundaries thing needs to go away quickly before he isolates his own potential audience...
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