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Post by picklerclarkson on Oct 13, 2009 15:04:32 GMT -5
Only thing that can save this era!
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Post by busyboy on Oct 13, 2009 15:48:18 GMT -5
Only thing that can save this era! A time machine?
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Post by rellybois on Oct 13, 2009 16:14:31 GMT -5
Only thing that can save this era! A time machine? No. We'd just be back at square one with the same flop album.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 13, 2009 16:22:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being her last album for a while. She seems to really be looking forward to starting a family. When she does return, she'll probably concentrate exclusively on the Urban market (it would be unwise of her to end up in the same place as Janet Jackson...).
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Post by rellybois on Oct 13, 2009 16:25:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being her last album for a while. She seems to really be looking forward to starting a family. When she does return, she'll probably concentrate exclusively on the Urban market (it would be unwise of her to end up in the same place as Janet Jackson...). But would a mid-40s half-white chick even be able to compete that well in the urban market? I'm thinking AC should be her direction, a la Celine.
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Post by busyboy on Oct 13, 2009 16:31:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being her last album for a while. She seems to really be looking forward to starting a family. When she does return, she'll probably concentrate exclusively on the Urban market (it would be unwise of her to end up in the same place as Janet Jackson...). Well, so far she hasn't really learned from Janet's mistakes, and I'm specifically referring to the bad singles choices. But at least she can cater to the AC crowds as she gets older. If then Pop decides to follow, it's all gravy.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 13, 2009 16:32:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I seem to have left a part out. My bad. I meant to also say that her biggest concentration should be on Urban AC. She's had way more than enough Urban success throughout her career to transition well enough over there given she has the correct material. This song is actually a good step in that direction imo. Janet, instead of transitioning to Urban AC, kept trying to get crossover success and it hurt her really badly.
As for AC, she could have a future there, but I think she'll opt for Urban AC instead given her history. She's stated many times that the only reason she thinks much of her Celine like material from the 1st half of the '90s is because her fans tell her that they like it. If Hero had flopped I don't think she would ever mention it...
I'll still say that I'm surprised that Obsessed went top 10 on pop...
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 13, 2009 22:22:04 GMT -5
I just don't see why Mariah must cater to one audience. That's always been the beauty of Mariah, that she can connect to a multitude of people, not just one group, and when she's still getting Top 10 hits on Pop, Urban, Rhythmic, Urban AC, and AC, why should she have to focus on just one?
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Post by Monroe on Oct 13, 2009 22:29:53 GMT -5
No. We'd just be back at square one with the same flop album. WORD! I know that her fans are happy that they have a nice R and B album that says something "personal" about her and all but there is not one hit record off this LP outside of the novelty that was/is "Obsessed". It has a chuck full of nice easy listening ballads but there completely forgettable and not climate appropriate for CHR what so ever.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 13, 2009 22:31:26 GMT -5
No. We'd just be back at square one with the same flop album. WORD! I know that her fans are happy that they have a nice R and B album that says something "personal" about her and all but there is not one hit record off this LP. It has a chuck full of nice easy listening ballads but there completely forgettable and not climate appropriate for CHR what so ever. The song has already produced one hit. It went Top 10 just about everywhere it charted except UAC. Glad you corrected yourself, but how is that considered "novelty"?
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Post by Monroe on Oct 13, 2009 22:33:02 GMT -5
You mean besides the obvious attempt to bait Eminem and the cliched Mean Girls references?
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 13, 2009 22:36:03 GMT -5
You mean besides the obvious attempt to bait Eminem and the cliched Mean Girls references? Please. The song was first and foremost a pop record. Nobody I know really cares or knows that it's "about Eminem", they just think it's a great, addictive song. It was a hit based on quality, not "because it was about Eminem." If it was such a novelty record, it would have blew up a lot quicker than it did. It took forever to take off.
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Post by Carlitoz on Oct 13, 2009 22:42:25 GMT -5
Good for her if this song saves this era, but I still don't see how. I'm not a Mariah fan, but was very curious about this song since I kept reading again and again and again that this is the BEST song on the album, amazing, this and that. I was expecting a masterpiece. Well, I heard it and it was ok, but didn't find anything extraordinary or incredible about it. Just another r&b song with no pop appeal. Finally yesterday after listening to the song like 10 times these last days, I liked a bit more and actually found myself during the day remembering the song and actually singing it a bit (OMG!!! Nooooo!!!!!!). Anyway, if it catches fire on pop radio, it may take a while. I don't see it as an instant hit. I think this album needed a huge instant hit, one of those that get to #1 on the Hot 100 after 1 week or 2. It seems too late now. But hey, radio is so unpredictable that maybe this actually become the savior of the album.
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Post by Monroe on Oct 13, 2009 22:49:19 GMT -5
You mean besides the obvious attempt to bait Eminem and the cliched Mean Girls references? Please. The song was first and foremost a pop record. Nobody I know really cares or knows that it's "about Eminem", they just think it's a great, addictive song. It was a hit based on quality, not "because it was about Eminem." If it was such a novelty record, it would have blew up a lot quicker than it did. It took forever to take off. I wouldn't call it a pop song at all, most people said it was an urban song that would work well on the urban format. This isn't pop at all. I would say none of her album is pop, which maybe is the problem. This isn't 2001-2005 anymore, you can't have pop hits with no pop songs.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 13, 2009 22:53:25 GMT -5
Please. The song was first and foremost a pop record. Nobody I know really cares or knows that it's "about Eminem", they just think it's a great, addictive song. It was a hit based on quality, not "because it was about Eminem." If it was such a novelty record, it would have blew up a lot quicker than it did. It took forever to take off. I wouldn't call it a pop song at all, most people said it was an urban song that would work well on the urban format. This isn't pop at all. I would say none of her album is pop, which maybe is the problem. This isn't 2001-2005 anymore, you can't have pop hits with no pop songs. Hm. Top 10 on Pop. Must be somewhat "pop" or it wouldn't have gotten that far, but we can agree to disagree.
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Post by Monroe on Oct 13, 2009 22:57:04 GMT -5
Just because a song charts on a certain format doesn't automatically make it that song genre. There were plenty of songs that plagued the CHR format that had little if any pop influences within them.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Oct 13, 2009 22:58:03 GMT -5
This album has a few potential singles but no clear-cut standouts; unlike the last album. It seems like the album was crafted less from a singles perspective and more from an album perspective which would explain the arguable lack of single choices; at least as far as Pop goes. She has a few solid R&B hits here but not much that'll work on Pop.
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Post by Snowbeast on Oct 13, 2009 23:00:33 GMT -5
I do see this catching on. It's going to take work, but I'm glad the adds date is a bit away so everyone can forget about IWKWLI.
If she promotes this extensively, AND has a killer video made, she is capable of having a huge hit. I'd say by middle of December this will be top 10. Its a grower for sure, but it's a quality song, and I see it standing out on the radio.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 13, 2009 23:03:35 GMT -5
Just because a song charts on a certain format doesn't automatically make it that song genre. There were plenty of songs that plagued the CHR format that had little if any pop influences within them. Pop music isn't supposed to have a certain sound. Pop music is a song that has commercial appeal. There is no rule as to what it's supposed to sound like. Everything that charts on pop is a "pop song" that can be classified in other genres as well. I said that we can just agree to disagree. Why you continue arguing this with me is beyond me.
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Post by Rεvôlvεr† on Oct 14, 2009 0:04:16 GMT -5
This, Standing O, Angels Cry, Ribbon, Inseperable are the only single choices left.
Candy Bling would be a good last single though- it's just chill and breezy.
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Post by Legoman on Oct 14, 2009 0:31:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being her last album for a while. She seems to really be looking forward to starting a family. When she does return, she'll probably concentrate exclusively on the Urban market (it would be unwise of her to end up in the same place as Janet Jackson...). I agree. She should really take some time off and come back with a new sound ala TEOM
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Post by Legoman on Oct 14, 2009 0:35:04 GMT -5
Just because a song charts on a certain format doesn't automatically make it that song genre. There were plenty of songs that plagued the CHR format that had little if any pop influences within them. Exactly. Would you call LYL an outaa-out pop? It doesnot matter what genre a song belongs to. It can chart in any format of airplay as long as the audience is high. I think the only exception to this are the dance airplay stations who refuse to play anything else than pure electro pop
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 14, 2009 1:08:21 GMT -5
b!tch b!tch b!tch, that's all everyone does in Mariah threads. Here's the real story:
HATEU is awesome. It will do well on rhythmic and urban, along with urban AC and AC. Pop, probably not. It's too slow. And if it does pick up, it won't be right away. I'll be rooting for it. It deserves to be heard. And no, none of the other singles won't have any impact. If HATEU can't, then they won't for certain.
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Post by H.A.T.E.U. on Oct 14, 2009 1:10:31 GMT -5
b!tch b!tch b!tch, that's all everyone does in Mariah threads. Here's the real story: HATEU is awesome. It will do well on rhythmic and urban, along with urban AC and AC. Pop, probably not. It's too slow. And if it does pick up, it won't be right away. I'll be rooting for it. It deserves to be heard. And no, none of the other singles won't have any impact. If HATEU can't, then they won't for certain.
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Post by Legoman on Oct 14, 2009 1:53:55 GMT -5
^ Agree with Spree above. I really hope that HATEU takes a flight soon :(
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Post by Dido on Oct 14, 2009 2:08:56 GMT -5
^ Either way, this should've been sent for adds last week??? Why are they waiting so long??? At this rate, the album will be selling like 10 copies in 3 weeks! I agree, babe. Next month is way too late. But what can you expect from Island Flop Jam?
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Post by Dido on Oct 14, 2009 2:49:34 GMT -5
OMG, the radio edit that GoldSoundz made is awesome!!!
I could never play the album version more than once in a row, but this edit's been on replay for tha past 30 mins and it's awesome. They should definitely do smth like it and send it to radio. The original is too long.
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Post by H.A.T.E.U. on Oct 14, 2009 2:52:15 GMT -5
Do u have a link to the remix or something?. It wil be much appreciated thx!! :)
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Post by summers on Oct 14, 2009 3:28:26 GMT -5
I sent the radio edit that Goldsoundz made to a non-fan friend, and he loves it! He then went and get the full version of the song. But then again, he also liked Bye Bye, so...
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Post by Legoman on Oct 14, 2009 3:46:19 GMT -5
Did they edit any part for the radio?
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