Blackout vs Breakaway vs I'm Not Dead

[dbhmr]

They really are all awesome, and Ace's argument made so much sense...but, pulling my stan card and saying Breakaway. I literally listen to every song every time, and regularly skip one or two for Blackout and two or three for I'm Not Dead. Again, all are fantastic.

[Glove Slap]

Jun 3, 2010 9:33:52 GMT -5 Ace said:

Jun 3, 2010 7:58:27 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Of course they could never. When was the last time either of them had sex with men?

Obviously, it wasn't with men, it was with each other. Breakaway was about finally crossing over to the lesbian side of things in a tryst between the two girls, and Kelly released it as a declaration of lesbianhood. Then the breakup happened, and they both channeled their lesbian angst into albums, whilst taking pot shots at each other in their videos. The Stupid Girls video was about how Kelly had gotten so skinny just to be famous and how it turned P!nk off, especially because of the assistance of drugs, to which she alluded in the Who Knew video. Kelly trashed P!nk's apartment in Since U Been Gone in response, but then repented and confessed her dreams of moving to Canada to get married in Behind These Hazel Eyes. Because of You was when she hit rock bottom and didn't think she could go on living a heterosexual lie. But while this self-realization was going on, P!nk, who was already confident in her power lesbian persona, was experimenting with men for fun, and released a video chronicling her experiences (U + Ur Hand). This made Kelly terribly jealous, and she realized they weren't getting back together and made the video for Walk Away as her final kiss-off.


While Breakaway and I'm Not Dead are both great albums, the fact that they are lesbian odysseys cancels out their merit; therefore, Blackout wins.

My mind has increased in knowledge like never before! :o

[nightshade]

Breakaway, no contest.

One of the best pop albums this generation has ever witnessed. <3
Bless her.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 3, 2010 9:33:52 GMT -5 Ace said:

Jun 3, 2010 7:58:27 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Of course they could never. When was the last time either of them had sex with men?

Obviously, it wasn't with men, it was with each other. Breakaway was about finally crossing over to the lesbian side of things in a tryst between the two girls, and Kelly released it as a declaration of lesbianhood. Then the breakup happened, and they both channeled their lesbian angst into albums, whilst taking pot shots at each other in their videos. The Stupid Girls video was about how Kelly had gotten so skinny just to be famous and how it turned P!nk off, especially because of the assistance of drugs, to which she alluded in the Who Knew video. Kelly trashed P!nk's apartment in Since U Been Gone in response, but then repented and confessed her dreams of moving to Canada to get married in Behind These Hazel Eyes. Because of You was when she hit rock bottom and didn't think she could go on living a heterosexual lie. But while this self-realization was going on, P!nk, who was already confident in her power lesbian persona, was experimenting with men for fun, and released a video chronicling her experiences (U + Ur Hand). This made Kelly terribly jealous, and she realized they weren't getting back together and made the video for Walk Away as her final kiss-off.


While Breakaway and I'm Not Dead are both great albums, the fact that they are lesbian odysseys cancels out their merit; therefore, Blackout wins.

??? why are you a better stan then me? I could Neva :'(

[sunpeach]

Beakaway

[Monroe]

Jun 3, 2010 9:14:54 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Britney's own Circus and perhaps Madonna's Hard Candy are the only two I recall ever hearing mentioned in regard to a possible Blackout influence.

Blackout has been listed by both the Times and Rolling Stone as one of the most influential albums of the 2000's. As to what Blackout has influenced I would say it most likely influenced the likes of Gaga, Ke$ha, Little Boots, Pixie Lott, Selena Gomez and most other of the tween scene that looked to go the synth-electro route. This is not to say that Britney started this trend but I would say Blackout was one of the cornerstone pieces that shifted the growth of synth-powered-electro-techno-pop that we are in right now. Justin (FS/LS), Nelly (Loose), Timbaland (ShockValue), Rihanna (Disturbia/SOS/DSTM), Britney (Blackout/Circus), Gaga (The Fame), Ke$ha (Animal), are all responsible for the musical climate we are in right now.

[Ace]

Jun 2, 2010 23:43:16 GMT -5 Rurry said:

Beakaway >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jun 3, 2010 0:28:13 GMT -5 CammyCan said:

The f**k is "Beakaway'"?

Jun 3, 2010 14:15:36 GMT -5 sunpeach said:

Beakaway

???

[Jack]

Well said Ethanroe.

[Illusions]

Breakaway

I'm Not Dead



Blackout

[blue in moonlight]

Jun 3, 2010 14:39:08 GMT -5 Monroe said:

Jun 3, 2010 9:14:54 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Britney's own Circus and perhaps Madonna's Hard Candy are the only two I recall ever hearing mentioned in regard to a possible Blackout influence.

Blackout has been listed by both the Times and Rolling Stone as one of the most influential albums of the 2000's. As to what Blackout has influenced I would say it most likely influenced the likes of Gaga, Ke$ha, Little Boots, Pixie Lott, Selena Gomez and most other of the tween scene that looked to go the synth-electro route. This is not to say that Britney started this trend but I would say Blackout was one of the cornerstone pieces that shifted the growth of synth-powered-electro-techno-pop that we are in right now. Justin (FS/LS), Nelly (Loose), Timbaland (ShockValue), Rihanna (Disturbia/SOS/DSTM), Britney (Blackout/Circus), Gaga (The Fame), Ke$ha (Animal), are all responsible for the musical climate we are in right now.

Are you talking about the RS fan poll? RS gave Blackout a barely above average review. In fact, I believe the other two albums in this poll were better received by critics overall.

I enjoy Blackout but, man, do people here overrate the living hell out of it. I do appreciate you toning the stan dial down a bit and seemingly acknowledging that Blackout was the product of a growing trend rather than some sort of trend-starter itself. The aforementioned Timbaland-helmed trifecta had a significant influence on Blackout. Some have even argued that Danja, who had a hand in all three, was primarily responsible for Timbo's resurgence on those albums. I have also actually read Loose referred to as one of the albums Gaga looked to when deciding where to push her sound for her debut.

[Hefty Hanna]

Blackout is the reason GaGa and Ke$ha have careers. Trufax.

[Monroe]

Jun 3, 2010 16:39:19 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Are you talking about the RS fan poll? RS gave Blackout a barely above average review.

It was listed as one of their top albums of 2007 and Piece Of Me was also listed as one of their top songs of that same year. Safe to say it was by no means a critically neglected album. All of the singles from the parent album were often critical praised and as stated were included on year-end lists and even decade lists.

I do appreciate you toning the stan dial down a bit and seemingly acknowledging that Blackout was the product of a growing trend rather than some sort of trend-starter itself.

I don't quite agree with this. Blackout is certainly a distinctive work and completely holds it's own in terms of the the synth-pop domination of 06 and onward. I was simply saying that Britney wasn't the first to do it that doesn't bar the accomplishments of the work though. Blackout certainly isn't a clone of the Timbaland group. It's anything but.

I have also actually read Loose referred to as one of the albums Gaga looked to when deciding where to push her sound for her debut.

Gaga certainly doesn't sound like Furtado. I would say if most people had to listen to Loose or Blackout one would say the Fame seems closer to the latter. Blackout pretty much plays on the signature dark and bright synths and the electro bleeps and blips. Furtado's Loose doesn't sound anything like the Fame or Blackout the closest thing that comes close is maybe Maneater and even then it's not quite the same. Blackout is much closer to the Fame in both theme and sound then Loose ever was. I'd even argue that FS/LS sounds more like TF then Loose does.

[blue in moonlight]

Jun 3, 2010 17:02:31 GMT -5 Monroe said:

I don't quite agree with this. Blackout is certainly a distinctive work and completely holds it's own in terms of the the synth-pop domination of 06 and onward. I was simply saying that Britney wasn't the first to do it that doesn't bar the accomplishments of the work though. Blackout certainly isn't a clone of the Timbaland group. It's anything but.

All four albums are rather distinct from each other as they're made by four very different artists. Still, one would have to borderline deaf not hear the influence from those three preceding albums on Blackout's Danja tracks.

Jun 3, 2010 17:02:31 GMT -5 Monroe said:

Gaga certainly doesn't sound like Furtado. I would say if most people had to listen to Loose or Blackout one would say the Fame seems closer to the latter. Blackout pretty much plays on the signature dark and bright synths and the electro bleeps and blips. Furtado's Loose doesn't sound anything like the Fame or Blackout the closest thing that comes close is maybe Maneater and even then it's not quite the same. Blackout is much closer to the Fame in both theme and sound then Loose ever was. I'd even argue that FS/LS sounds more like TF then Loose does.

For the most part, I actually agree with this. I was noting that unlike Loose, Blackout has never actually been cited as an influence for TF. This actually makes sense considering Gaga had already been signed and was well within the writing process by the time Blackout even dropped. She was originally to be marketed as a sort of modern Stefani/Madonna hybrid.

Jun 3, 2010 15:00:36 GMT -5 Jack said:

Well said Ethanroe.

I know. Mr. Ethan's identity is starting to becoming rather obvious. I'm waiting for the first threw.

[repentyourself]

Jun 3, 2010 17:02:31 GMT -5 Monroe said:

Jun 3, 2010 16:39:19 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Are you talking about the RS fan poll? RS gave Blackout a barely above average review.

It was listed as one of their top albums of 2007 and Piece Of Me was also listed as one of their top songs of that same year. Safe to say it was by no means a critically neglected album. All of the singles from the parent album were often critical praised and as stated were included on year-end lists and even decade lists.



I don't quite agree with this. Blackout is certainly a distinctive work and completely holds it's own in terms of the the synth-pop domination of 06 and onward. I was simply saying that Britney wasn't the first to do it that doesn't bar the accomplishments of the work though. Blackout certainly isn't a clone of the Timbaland group. It's anything but.

I have also actually read Loose referred to as one of the albums Gaga looked to when deciding where to push her sound for her debut.

Gaga certainly doesn't sound like Furtado. I would say if most people had to listen to Loose or Blackout one would say the Fame seems closer to the latter. Blackout pretty much plays on the signature dark and bright synths and the electro bleeps and blips. Furtado's Loose doesn't sound anything like the Fame or Blackout the closest thing that comes close is maybe Maneater and even then it's not quite the same. Blackout is much closer to the Fame in both theme and sound then Loose ever was. I'd even argue that FS/LS sounds more like TF then Loose does.

I'm so happy you're back.

[Monroe]

Jun 3, 2010 17:32:59 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

For the most part, I actually agree with this. I was noting that unlike Loose, Blackout has never actually been cited as an influence for TF. This actually makes sense considering Gaga had already been signed and was well within the writing process by the time Blackout even dropped. She was originally to be marketed as a sort of modern Stefani/Madonna hybrid.

For the most part I feel like we're agreeing.

The only point that I think I could make now would just be that I think that just because Gaga and co never said that Blackout wasn't an influence doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't one. I do feel that Blackout's influence can be felt in many ways since it's debut -- Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Little Boots and even Cyrus' CBT seems to have spun off from it's web.

[blue in moonlight]

Jun 3, 2010 17:42:02 GMT -5 Monroe said:

The only point that I think I could make now would just be that I think that just because Gaga and co never said that Blackout wasn't an influence doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't one.

True. Blackout was indeed released by the time Gaga started recording so it's possible. I genuinely believe it's a matter of labels realizing what was upon them and signing the appropriate artists. Hell, I think just about every popular music fan was probably aware that electropop would soon be upon us stronger than ever by the end of 2006.

[Jack]

Jun 3, 2010 17:32:59 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

I know. Mr. Ethan's identity is starting to becoming rather obvious. I'm waiting for the first threw.

I would have played my cards a little closer to my chest if I were her, that said, I'm buzzed to have her back.

[Jay]

Jun 3, 2010 0:56:58 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Jun 3, 2010 0:37:22 GMT -5 Jay said:

I know, but someone brought up it was one of the most influential albums. I think that's a bit odd if not even a million people bought the album. But, nevermind..

As far as which is best for ME, I picked Breakaway and I stated my reasons why.

let people have their opinions, and you have yours. You can argue all you want, it won't change anyone's minds.

I respect other people's opinions, however we're allowed to comment and have a discussion for a reason. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to discuss our opinions with one another.

[K.]

IND and Breakaway are basically perfect pop albums. I went with IND, because it showed more versatility and artistic depth.

[#brayden]

'Breakaway' is stronger than those other two, in my opinion. I don't get all the hype for 'Blackout'.

[Deleted]

Yikes. I love all 3, like seriously :S
But I guess Blackout>Breakaway>I'm not dead

[Minimalism]

NOTE: the following text is NOT the work of Monroe. The identity of the author shall remain concealed for now.

...It's about the relevance of Blackout marking the death of Pop itself(!) (LOL, bare with me here).

For Blackout represents Britney’s complete decomposition as an organic individual--the whole record is fragmented, disfigured, twisted “pieces” of her, a multitude of simulated hyper-real visions of her in a post-modern world. Just as we were barraged with infinite Britneys across the media (“Mrs Extra Extra this just in”): bald Britney, frapp-Britney, pink-wig Britney, umbrella-Britney, greasy-clothed Britney, bad-mom-Britney etc. so were we with an album of a hundred fragmented voices, chopped, snipped, and coalesced into the heady hedonistic beats. Yet none were real, all were distorted alter-visions--she went male on “Freakshow” (so that’s what Monroe was imitating – genius!) as her vox was lowered and thickened beyond all recognition and went Robyn (oh wait...) on "Piece of Meat". All identity was surrendered and decentralised; all humanity sonically violated into heartless mechanisation in the decaying synths--pop destroying itself alive as Britney melted down into the very media that transmitted the information. Blackout thus stands as an audacious post-humanist message about the relationship between the human body, technology and information in a 21st century capitalist society (post 9/11! ;)). It explores our loss of identity, Pop’s loss of identity as it turned in on itself in a supreme act of nihilism.

And perhaps the exact moment of the destruction of Pop is right at the album's crux at about 2:35 in “Get Naked” (and hence the aural equivalent of her strapped deliriously to a gurney on 4/1/08) when Danja’s vocal riff slows down totally--time perception is shifted and skewed (it’s all about Einstein’s relativity of course: she got to it here before MiMi ever did ) as the event unfolds: the diseased alien space beats giving way to the gravitational force and pull of some cosmic black hole: in a moment of genuine psychedelia the violent unsteady beats that had lurched and the distorted chants that had cried for eternal doom envelop Britney’s vox & identity totally into an infinite singularity. Completely checked out of reality in some fucked up sex fueled drug haze, she makes the most earnest & honest vocal line of her career to surrender herself totally to the carnal abandon of the machine: “Pleeeeeease!”. And with that, she (and Pop) leaves reality, to become a ghost in its own machinery. Pop has consumed itself, willingly sucked into its own vortex.

Thus, Blackout signifies the death of the last Pop Star and of Pop itself: destroying/"eating itself" through consumption into its own void. Utterly deconstructed and with its identity surrendered, it falls a victim into the machinery of its own system--Britney subjugating her Self to her own process. That death (rather unfortunately) led to the rise of GaGa: an artist attempting to gather those pop identities from the ruins of history to construct the Pop Star all over again; whilst opening up the audience to the pop process that Britney essentially became. If Blackout represented the ultimate meeting of society and the author--we in effect all ourselves created the album through enabling the context of the record--then GaGa attempts to fully reflect the projections of society as a consequence, utilising Blackout's infinite identities/none real characterization to unseemly effects. With Blackout, Britney marked the End of Pop (a female Baudrillard perhaps), its identity disintegrated and shattered in a post-humanist world. But Pop now moves out of the rubble left in Blackout's wake--clambering out of Ke$ha's trash cans and GaGa's bullshit--recontextualized and reinvigorated. The death of Pop and perhaps the simultaneous creation of a new dawn? What else could achieve that but the supreme American masterwork that is Blackout? No influence? Please. Nothing could EVER.

Am I the only one tearing up? :'(

This is just an excerpt, folks. But don't worry, I expect you can order the 500-page final product soon enough.

[Candy Bling]

I'm Not Dead