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Post by Rurry on Sept 7, 2010 23:12:29 GMT -5
Well I agree they could've done more, but they didn't necessarily fail at anything either.
I guess the Circus era was decent too although things got a little messy after Circus the song.
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Post by brb on Sept 8, 2010 1:51:40 GMT -5
Jive didn't do s**t for this song, at all. They should be ashamed. When was the last time they actually had an era that wasn't a failure in one way or another? David should GTFO of there. Yup. Jive got top 10 station adds for Matisse (KHKS,) JLS (Z100,) and for Hot Chelle Rae (Q102) before officially hitting the top 40 (not that I see Matisse entering the top 50 any time soon..) and I think they could have gotten one for SBL and for one of Allison's songs had they actually tried. They are a fail in promoting both Archie's and Allison's latest projects.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Sept 8, 2010 3:45:55 GMT -5
At the end of the day it's about the material IMO. At least for the PD's and MD's. Kris Allen has proven that with the right song, you can make it, even without being a big name or heavy hitter. On the other hand Rihanna, Adam L (also Miley and Chrsitna to a point) are a proofs that no matter how much buzz and No.1 singles (in Riri's case) you have, your lead single can still flop hard. Nobody knows if Archie's problem is lack of promotion on Jive's side or lack of enthusiasm on the radio's side. It's all speculation. YMMV
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Post by Renzokuken on Sept 8, 2010 4:58:12 GMT -5
This seems to be over for a lot and my opinion may not be so important but I'm gonna give it at most two more adds week. If it doesn't get a good amount of spins and adds, I would then say its done.
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Post by greenlight on Sept 8, 2010 5:54:25 GMT -5
Not rly. Tattoo = top 5 CHR, top 10 Hot 100 No Air - top 2 CHR, top 3 Hot 100 OSAAT - top 3 CHR, top 20 Hot 100 All solid hits. It's the second era they failed at. Her second era started well with Battlefield. It made top 10 on BB Hot 100 and sold nearly 1.5 million. But her album and the subsequent singles did nothing. I don't know whether it was the material or a lack of promotion after the album didn't perform. As for Allison, I agree that she received no radio push, so no push from the label. She got TV performances, but as far as I know, unlike radio promotion, these are organised by the management company, not by the label. Jive have certainly not gone out if their way to promote their AI artists recently. A while ago, there was rumors that they had financial problems, could it be that they are short of cash or short of staff?
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Post by atgs on Sept 8, 2010 7:49:17 GMT -5
This seems to be over because it's not getting new plays and old stations are playing it less, I believe.
I agree with this to an extent. Of course the quality matters and If this song was something great and that stood out it would have been given better chances. I assume Jive kinda gave up because the reception from radio stations wasn't that good. However, it's not only the material. This song never had any exposure that a song like LLWD had. I like LLWD way more and I think it deserved top 10, but it got a lot of push in the beginning that we didn't see with SBL. It's hard to compare the two.
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Post by daveyfan on Sept 8, 2010 9:18:25 GMT -5
I so wish David and other genuinely talented artists had the kind of representation that a lot of mediocre artists have. It's not all about the music. Having adequate representation behind you is what makes or breaks you as far as album success goes. Just look at acts like Jason Derulo, Kesha, Bieber -- they have AT BEST a tenth of the talent David has but they are everywhere due to great management and promotion. It's quite sad actually. But then again those who really know and appreciate great music probably aren't listening to U.S. radio to hear it anyway so it really doesn't matter. David is one of the few artists that have true talent and I don't need to hear him on the radio to know that or to support his music. I just don't want his ability to make music to be hendered by low album sales. If it is then Jive has itself to thank for that >:(
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Post by daveyfan on Sept 8, 2010 10:18:41 GMT -5
Not rly. Tattoo = top 5 CHR, top 10 Hot 100 No Air - top 2 CHR, top 3 Hot 100 OSAAT - top 3 CHR, top 20 Hot 100 All solid hits. It's the second era they failed at. Her second era started well with Battlefield. It made top 10 on BB Hot 100 and sold nearly 1.5 million. But her album and the subsequent singles did nothing. I don't know whether it was the material or a lack of promotion after the album didn't perform. As for Allison, I agree that she received no radio push, so no push from the label. She got TV performances, but as far as I know, unlike radio promotion, these are organised by the management company, not by the label. Jive have certainly not gone out if their way to promote their AI artists recently. A while ago, there was rumors that they had financial problems, could it be that they are short of cash or short of staff? Just announced that Allison has parted ways with Jive. Shocker! lol music-mix.ew.com/2010/09/08/allison-iraheta-jive-records/
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Post by tinawina on Sept 8, 2010 10:33:09 GMT -5
Jive have certainly not gone out if their way to promote their AI artists recently. A while ago, there was rumors that they had financial problems, could it be that they are short of cash or short of staff? Well, that is plausible since they've had a pretty crappy year or so sales wise. I mean before Usher, didn't they have a string of disappointing releases? Britney did well last time out but not well enough to keep a whole label afloat. Anyway, I can't believe this never even went to Radio Disney. I have no idea what the hell is going on between Archie and his label, but it can't be good. Who is his manager now? Shouldn't someone be over there on his behalf kicking people's butts? LOL
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Post by Kworb on Sept 8, 2010 10:37:26 GMT -5
I think some here were arguing that Radio Disney is not his target audience and that he's more popular with college aged people. Maybe Jive in all their wisdom had the same idea.
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Post by daveyfan on Sept 8, 2010 10:54:11 GMT -5
Jive have certainly not gone out if their way to promote their AI artists recently. A while ago, there was rumors that they had financial problems, could it be that they are short of cash or short of staff? Well, that is plausible since they've had a pretty crappy year or so sales wise. I mean before Usher, didn't they have a string of disappointing releases? Britney did well last time out but not well enough to keep a whole label afloat. Anyway, I can't believe this never even went to Radio Disney. I have no idea what the hell is doing on between Archie and his label, but it can't be good. Who is his manager now? Shouldn't someone be over there on his behalf kicking people's butts? LOL They are short of cash because they are incompetent and don't know how to adequately support their artists. You get what you pay for and if they did their jobs as far as promotion for the artists then I believe the sales would reflect that. Then they wouldn't be short of cash and would have the capital to invest back into the artists. It's a cycle. I would not be mad if David decided to find a label that actually knew what they were doing.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 8, 2010 10:54:33 GMT -5
Jive have certainly not gone out if their way to promote their AI artists recently. A while ago, there was rumors that they had financial problems, could it be that they are short of cash or short of staff? Well, that is plausible since they've had a pretty crappy year or so sales wise. I mean before Usher, didn't they have a string of disappointing releases? Britney did well last time out but not well enough to keep a whole label afloat. Anyway, I can't believe this never even went to Radio Disney. I have no idea what the hell is doing on between Archie and his label, but it can't be good. Who is his manager now? Shouldn't someone be over there on his behalf kicking people's butts? LOL We have no idea still who he has or if he has anyone yet... ???
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Post by tinawina on Sept 8, 2010 10:58:55 GMT -5
We have no idea still who he has or if he has anyone yet... ??? Well he has to have one... nothing is listed on his website or anything? Are there rumors swirling around anyone? They are short of cash because they are incompetent and don't know how to adequately support their artists. You get what you pay for and if they did their jobs as far as promotion for the artists then I believe the sales would reflect that. Then they wouldn't be short of cash and would have the capital to invest back into the artists. It's a cycle. I would not be mad if David decided to find a label that actually knew what they were doing. I don't think there is anything wrong with being cheap as long as you are smart about it. Maybe they lost the touch once Barry Weiss got kicked upstairs? Maybe he was the brains behind everything and no one could fill his shoes .
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Post by daveyfan on Sept 8, 2010 11:12:02 GMT -5
Tina - Maybe that's it but idk or care actually. Whatever it is they just need to get their act together. No excuses. If they're not going to do what they need to do then maybe they shouldn't be signing artists. Make room for a better label imo.
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Post by atgs on Sept 8, 2010 11:30:50 GMT -5
I don't think the way he handles himself and his music have the college aged people as target. He's def not someone a college aged person would proudly say "I'm a fan".
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 8, 2010 11:53:17 GMT -5
Well he has to have one... nothing is listed on his website or anything? Are there rumors swirling around anyone? Nope nothing on his site, not even really in press things either and no rumors swirling... still in the dark about the management thing. Which if he had some, i dont see why they would tell people... *shrugs*
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Post by daveyfan on Sept 8, 2010 12:08:59 GMT -5
I don't think the way he handles himself and his music have the college aged people as target. He's def not someone a college aged person would proudly say "I'm a fan". Maybe not. No partying and not enough swagger perhaps. Too much self control and actual talent tends to turn college students off. LOL!
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 8, 2010 12:14:49 GMT -5
I think SBL would have been perfect on RD.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 8, 2010 14:31:13 GMT -5
I think some here were arguing that Radio Disney is not his target audience and that he's more popular with college aged people. Maybe Jive in all their wisdom had the same idea. I don't think so. It's not like Radio Disney only plays tweeny songs anyway, they play artists like 3OH!3 and The Black Eyed Peas and obviously they aren't those artists target audience. I think Jive just didn't push it to them, or anyone. It seems to me that they pulled the plug on this one intentionally as a bunch of stations that have been supportive randomly stopped playing it yesterday. I would probably expect a new single announcement soon, which to me is dumb, but whatever. I'm over it, I don't have any faith in Jive anymore to get him a decent airplay hit so I have no expectations when it comes to that anymore. I'll just enjoy the album regardless.
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Post by Jay on Sept 8, 2010 17:52:43 GMT -5
Jordin Sparks' debut era did great, regardless of what people think. Her three singles all went Top 5 on CHR and Top 20 on Billboard Hot 100. Her album went platinum too which really is all one can ask for her. Sure, there were some better choices that era, but no era will be perfect. Jive did an awesome job, and it's too bad they can't do that for David Archuleta. :(
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Post by Rurry on Sept 8, 2010 18:35:46 GMT -5
They can't even do that for Jordin Sparks anymore, nevermind David Archuleta. Jordin's debut era is the last era from Jive I would say was extremely well handled.
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Post by Jay on Sept 8, 2010 18:40:44 GMT -5
They can't even do that for Jordin Sparks anymore, nevermind David Archuleta. Jordin's debut era is the last era from Jive I would say was extremely well handled. At least she got to experience a large amount of success in her career at one point, unlike David... Jive is very inconsistent.
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Post by feline on Sept 8, 2010 19:03:55 GMT -5
David has never struck me as a Radio Disney Artist. I think he was placed in that category because of his age, but I don't think his strong suit is singing the same type of music as Jesse McCartney or Demi Lovato. RD does play songs by popular artists, but they aren't going to play anything new from David until it makes a bigger splash on the pop charts.
Based on how David carries himself and his vocals, I've always viewed him as an Adult Contemporary or Hot AC artist, more along the lines of Josh Groban or Micheal Buble. I think the only reason why some might force him into the pop category is because of his age, and because they see that as the more profitable route, which isn't true. Plus, Jive and 19 probably have no idea how to promote him as that type of artist.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 8, 2010 19:14:20 GMT -5
I think David could pull off either route tbh. But his interest doesn't seem to be in either. He seems to be going in a singer songwriter approach with his album, so I think Hot AC might be his best shot right now. Especially if Elevator really is the next single.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Sept 9, 2010 7:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by slamina on Sept 9, 2010 8:00:07 GMT -5
So is this song done? It's about to lose it's bullet which is a shame. Looking back at the earlier pages of this thread many thought this could go top 10. I personally thought it would go top 30.
ITA with the discussion regarding Jive. They have been doing a terrible job lately.
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Post by Jay on Sept 9, 2010 10:16:41 GMT -5
:'( So, any news on the second single?
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Post by Rodze on Sept 9, 2010 10:28:08 GMT -5
:'( So, any news on the second single? Apparently the "Elevator" song. It can be found on Youtube.
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Post by Black Jesus on Sept 9, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5
Why the hell would they release Elevator? SMH...
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Post by imreadynow on Sept 9, 2010 16:09:24 GMT -5
Why the hell would they release Elevator? SMH... MTE. There was nothing more radio-friendly on the album? Really?
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