Billboard Hot 100 - 12/25/10

[musicissalvation]

I think the important thing here is that Rihanna is on track to replace herself as number one on both the BB Hot 100 and Airplay.

[HolidayGuy]

Janet's albums should have higher certs, but not as high as 9m and 10m for Rhythm Nation and janet. (I'm aware of the figures from that press release, but the numbers just don't add up). Realize that Design of a Decade took a good portion of catalog sales for those albums. Control probably should be upped to 7 million, and Rhythm Nation should be upped to 7m (8m absolute tops, but probably not)- realize that Design of a Decade took a good bulk of catalog sales from it and Control. The janet. obviously should be 7 platinum, and very possibly 8 platinum- but in no way 10 platinum. And part of the reason for that is that Virgin did not make its albums available at record clubs for cheap prices- i.e. they were not discounted majorly or part of any"Buy-such-and-such, get such-and-such free selections). So, if the Virgin albums were available at record clubs (I don't think it was at Columbia at all), it was at regular price

But, anyway- this is a Hot 100 thread. And speaking of a Jackson... anyone surprised by "Hold My Hand's" showing? We'll see how the album fares.

[$uperb@tDuDe]

Dec 12, 2010 18:36:32 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Janet's albums should have higher certs, but not as high as 9m and 10m for Rhythm Nation and janet. (I'm aware of the figures from that press release, but the numbers just don't add up). Realize that Design of a Decade took a good portion of catalog sales for those albums. Control probably should be upped to 7 million, and Rhythm Nation should be upped to 7m (8m absolute tops, but probably not)- realize that Design of a Decade took a good bulk of catalog sales from it and Control. The janet. obviously should be 7 platinum, and very possibly 8 platinum- but in no way 10 platinum. And part of the reason for that is that Virgin did not make its albums available at record clubs for cheap prices- i.e. they were not discounted majorly or part of any"Buy-such-and-such, get such-and-such free selections). So, if the Virgin albums were available at record clubs (I don't think it was at Columbia at all), it was at regular price

In terms of catalog sales rhythm nation and janet sold 1.1 million and 860,000 through catalog according to wiki. That alone brings janet. to 8 million sold so janet. should be at LEAST 9x platinum (probably diamond since albums from the early 90's were overshipped anyway) Even with these figures, Janet should in no way be considered a "singles" artist.

[Verisimilitude]

Just noticed, by this date - it'll be the Christmas chart then? "Firework" does feel quite festive, if you think about it.

[HolidayGuy]

^Oh, I know that, superbat- just clarifying. :)

[pnobelysk]

^haha check your self out for that last setence. digital tracks didnt become popular in till the last half of the decade anyway

[youngstunna07]

Dec 12, 2010 13:44:14 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Dec 12, 2010 13:15:51 GMT -5 skizzo said:

It's amazing how much airplay R&B songs can get

R&B airplay peaked in 2004/2005. Nowadays R&B songs get lesser and lesser play due to Pop radio snubbing most of them.

Man I hope next year Pop radio starts to play R&B songs again, enough of the club fist pumping stuff! "Nothin' on You" and "Just the Way You Are" are like the only 2 songs of the year to have any kind of mainstream success.

[strikeleo]

I agree there. Rihanna ain't a huge seller, but she's nothing to dismiss either. Every since she blew up, all her albums have gone at least platinum, and in this day and age, that's not a 'shame' or anything close to that word.

[drewaf9]

Dec 12, 2010 22:08:59 GMT -5 strikeleo said:

I agree there. Rihanna ain't a huge seller, but she's nothing to dismiss either. Every since she blew up, all her albums have gone at least platinum, and in this day and age, that's not a 'shame' or anything close to that word.

but with 9 #1s why isnt that her albums dont sell more? Thats the problem here

[musicissalvation]

How many times is this same conversation going to be mulled over? it's off-topic, this is the HOT 100. not the Billboard 200, if you want to discuss album sales please move over there. I do not appreciate coming to this thread and seeing this same argument over and over.

[strikeleo]

Dec 12, 2010 22:33:57 GMT -5 drewaf9 said:

Dec 12, 2010 22:08:59 GMT -5 strikeleo said:

I agree there. Rihanna ain't a huge seller, but she's nothing to dismiss either. Every since she blew up, all her albums have gone at least platinum, and in this day and age, that's not a 'shame' or anything close to that word.

but with 9 #1s why isnt that her albums dont sell more? Thats the problem here

3 of her #1s are from Good Girl Gone Bad, which sold close to 3 million, that's nothing to be ashamed of, I'd definitely say it's actually a good amount of sales.
In the other eras, she had a #1, and that was pretty much it. so, she sold over a million with one #1 and a couple of top 10s... so, I don't think it's that big of a deal that she doesn't sell crazy amounts of copies, she sells well. Look at this era for an instance, she has had two #1s and is close to selling 500k, no doubt this is going to cross the million mark.

[Lockheart]

Dec 12, 2010 23:19:01 GMT -5 strikeleo said:

Dec 12, 2010 22:33:57 GMT -5 drewaf9 said:

but with 9 #1s why isnt that her albums dont sell more? Thats the problem here

3 of her #1s are from Good Girl Gone Bad, which sold close to 3 million, that's nothing to be ashamed of, I'd definitely say it's actually a good amount of sales.
In the other eras, she had a #1, and that was pretty much it. so, she sold over a million with one #1 and a couple of top 10s... so, I don't think it's that big of a deal that she doesn't sell crazy amounts of copies, she sells well. Look at this era for an instance, she has had two #1s and is close to selling 500k, no doubt this is going to cross the million mark.

and people tend to forget, two of her big #1 hits were not on her albums. Not dismissing them as not her #1, just saying. Those #1's helped Eminem and TI more. Rihanna is selling decently though. It's a tired discussion. GGGB is probably the most she's going sell, so anything close to that number is good enough

[TGIF]

Dec 12, 2010 23:41:21 GMT -5 Lockheart said:

Dec 12, 2010 23:19:01 GMT -5 strikeleo said:

3 of her #1s are from Good Girl Gone Bad, which sold close to 3 million, that's nothing to be ashamed of, I'd definitely say it's actually a good amount of sales.
In the other eras, she had a #1, and that was pretty much it. so, she sold over a million with one #1 and a couple of top 10s... so, I don't think it's that big of a deal that she doesn't sell crazy amounts of copies, she sells well. Look at this era for an instance, she has had two #1s and is close to selling 500k, no doubt this is going to cross the million mark.

and people tend to forget, two of her big #1 hits were not on her albums. Not dismissing them as not her #1, just saying. Those #1's helped Eminem and TI more. Rihanna is selling decently though. It's a tired discussion. GGGB is probably the most she's going sell, so anything close to that number is good enough

i was about to say that 2 of those arent on her own albums so why would anyone think they would help her album sales? lol.

as strikeleo said, for every other era but GGGB she's only had 1 #1 hit and going platinum with that is still a big achievement in the industry today. i hate that people still act like big hits are supposed to make your album sell 5 million copies that NEVER happens for ANY pop artist anymore

people are still thinking like its 2005

[cking33]

I found this little nugget in a profile EW did of LA Reid. Thought it'd be of interest in people here:

1:30 pm Strategy confab with executives regarding Rihanna's single ''Only Girl (In the World)'' and the plan to temporarily lower its cost on iTunes to help drive it to No. 1 on the Hot 100 chart — a spot that her ''What's My Name?'' currently holds. Reid's stance is firm: ''These customers don't buy songs because they're less money, they buy because they want the song, because they f---ing love it, and that's the only thing that's gonna sell it.''

[Nadia]

Dec 12, 2010 18:33:08 GMT -5 @musicissalvation said:

I think the important thing here is that Rihanna is on track to replace herself as number one on both the BB Hot 100 and Airplay.

They always have to bring her sales in it, when she is about to break ANOTHER record. :'( back to back platinum albums, nothing wrong with that.

[worldwide]

I see bunch of stand trying to justify rihanna's not so good album's sales.
The fact is she is not a good album seller. She's more of a singles seller. We've had this discussions for so long, now let's move on.

And I don't agree with LA Reid and he knows well that lower price does make a change. We know how close her and Pink were for #1. I really can't stand that man.

[Enigma.]

How come Rihanna sells bucketloads of albums in the UK if 'she's not a good album seller'?

GGGB 5xP, Rated R 2xP, Loud already over platinum.. She's a way better album seller than Britney Spears has ever been.

It's not about Rihanna, it's more about the taste of people in the US in general.

[will]

Dec 13, 2010 7:27:35 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

She's a way better album seller than Britney Spears has ever been.

Queen Britney 80 million sold
Rihanna 15 million sold ???

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

Dec 13, 2010 7:27:35 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

How come Rihanna sells bucketloads of albums in the UK if 'she's not a good album seller'?

GGGB 5xP, Rated R 2xP, Loud already over platinum.. She's a way better album seller than Britney Spears has ever been.

It's not about Rihanna, it's more about the taste of people in the US in general.

OMG your cracking me up. You do know Platinum in the UK is 600k right.

Loud is not over 600k. its at 321K

Here is the current UK YTD top 20

Pos YTD Artist Title
1 1107000 Take That Progress
2 997000 Lady Gaga Fame
3 900800 Michael Buble Crazy Love
4 750400 Alicia Keys Element Of Freedom
5 739200 Paolo Nutini Sunny Side Up
6 725400 Florence & The Machine Lungs
7 708200 Plan B Defamation Of Strickland Banks
8 689000 Eminem Recovery
9 644800 Mumford & Sons Sigh No More
10 526200 Kings Of Leon Come Around Sundown
11 499200 Justin Bieber My World
12 454200 Pixie Lott Turn It Up
13 402800 Katy Perry Teenage Dream
14 402000 Glee Cast Glee - The Music - Season One - Vol 1
15 387400 Black Eyed Peas E.N.D.
16 386800 Robbie Williams In & Out Of Consciousness…
17 381000 Boyzone Brother
18 376200 Susan Boyle Gift
19 367200 Andre Rieu Forever Vienna
20 364000 Bon Jovi Greatest Hits

[BlueSwan]

^^ Platinum in the UK is 600k for SINGLES but only 300k for ALBUMS.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

oops my bad. but the overall cracking up point still stands. LOL

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

1. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 118.044 (- 0.221)
2. RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 110.021 (+ 1.717)
3. BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 107.135 (- 1.103)
4. PINK - Raise Your Glass: 105.623 (+ 0.464)
5. NELLY - Just A Dream: 97.537 (- 1.009)
6. KATY PERRY - Firework: 89.759 (+ 2.256)
7. USHER F/PITBULL - DJ Got Us Fallin’ In Love: 74.498 (- 1.204)
8. FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 74.293 (- 1.206)
9. KE$HA - We R Who We R: 73.178 (- 0.139)
10. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 72.373 (- 0.555)
11. TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite: 67.398 (- 0.291)
12. BRUNO MARS - Grenade: 64.437 (+ 1.363)
13. NEON TREES - Animal: 62.030 (- 0.657)
14. KATY PERRY - Teenage Dream: 60.641 (- 0.157)
15. WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - No Hands: 52.316 (- 0.033)
16. RICK ROSS - Aston Martin Music f/Drake: 52.014 (+ 0.205)
17. NICKI MINAJ - Right Thru Me: 50.810 (+ 0.223)
18. MIKE POSNER - Please Don't Go: 49.539 (- 0.163)
19. MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 48.946 (+ 0.945) ▲
20. TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 48.154 (- 0.032)

OTHERS:

RASCAL FLATTS - Why Wait: 47.920 (- 0.568) ▼
REBA - Turn On The Radio: 46.927 (+ 0.709)
CHRIS BROWN - Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall: 45.409 (- 0.169)
LIL WAYNE - Right Above It f/Drake: 44.142 (- 0.711)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Mama's Song: 42.041 (+ 0.221)
EDWARD MAYA - Stereo Love: 41.851 (+ 1.288)
WIZ KHALIFA - Black & Yellow: 41.835 (- 0.100)
BLACK EYED PEAS - The Time (The Dirty Bit): 41.636 (+ 0.832)
ONEREPUBLIC - Secrets: 41.556 (+ 0.014)
CHRIS BROWN - Yeah 3x: 38.981 (+ 1.585)
KENNY CHESNEY - Somewhere With You: 37.516 (+ 0.215)
KEITH URBAN - Put You In A Song: 36.192 (+ 0.235)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Only Prettier: 35.206 (+ 0.547)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Back To December: 32.810 (+ 0.568)
LLOYD - Lay It Down: 29.711 (- 0.136)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - Tonight f/Ludacris: 29.076 (+ 1.217)
PITBULL - Hey Baby (Drop It To The...: 27.195 (+ 0.525)
DAVID GUETTA - Memories f/Kid Cudi: 26.984 (- 0.155)

EXTRAS:

LADY ANTEBELLUM - Hello World: 24.058 (+ 0.216)

PLAIN WHITE T'S - Rhythm Of Love: 22.076 (+ 0.569)

FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Rocketeer f/Ryan Tedder: 18.880 (+ 1.262)

KERI HILSON - Pretty Girl Rock 17.439 (+ 0.215)

LINKIN PARK - Waiting For The End: 16.517 (+ 0.227)

CHRISTINA PERRI - Jar Of Hearts: 15.007 (+ 0.254)

MICHAEL JACKSON - Hold My Hand (Duet With Akon): 12.584 (- 0.409)

MAROON 5 - Give A Little More: 12.365 (- 0.397)

JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON - Don't You Wanna Stay: 9.829 (+ 0.462)

THE SCRIPT - For The First Time: 9.739 (+ 0.016)

MARIAH CAREY - Oh Santa: 7.366 (- 1.047)

DAVID GUETTA - Who's That Chick f/Rihanna: 6.284 (+ 0.135)

CIARA - Gimmie Dat: 2.357 (+ 0.002)

T.I. - Castle Walls f/C. Aguilera: 0.044 (=)

EXTRAS (Pt. II):

DIDDY-DIRTY MONEY - Coming Home: 15.323

TAIO CRUZ F/TRAVIE MCCOY - Higher: 9.898

RIHANNA - S&M: 1.356

NICOLE SCHERZINGER - Poison: 0.042

Thanks zzmyth from ATRL

[TGIF]

Dec 13, 2010 7:30:51 GMT -5 WILL said:

Dec 13, 2010 7:27:35 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

She's a way better album seller than Britney Spears has ever been.

Queen Britney 80 million sold

you missed the part where he said "in the UK"

people focus so much on the US like it's the only important country when other countries are just as important especially with people like rihanna and pink where there are greater are likely to be greater than the people who may be outselling them in the states

they get double or even triple the success they get in the US from other countries and that will cause them to outsell alot of their peers' totals anyway

[TGIF]

6. KATY PERRY - Firework: 89.759 (+ 2.256)

highest gain


2. RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 110.021 (+ 1.717)
4. PINK - Raise Your Glass: 105.623 (+ 0.464)
12. BRUNO MARS - Grenade: 64.437 (+ 1.363)
19. MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 48.946 (+ 0.945) ▲

love these too

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Dec 12, 2010 18:36:32 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Janet's albums should have higher certs, but not as high as 9m and 10m for Rhythm Nation and janet. (I'm aware of the figures from that press release, but the numbers just don't add up). Realize that Design of a Decade took a good portion of catalog sales for those albums. Control probably should be upped to 7 million, and Rhythm Nation should be upped to 7m (8m absolute tops, but probably not)- realize that Design of a Decade took a good bulk of catalog sales from it and Control. The janet. obviously should be 7 platinum, and very possibly 8 platinum- but in no way 10 platinum. And part of the reason for that is that Virgin did not make its albums available at record clubs for cheap prices- i.e. they were not discounted majorly or part of any"Buy-such-and-such, get such-and-such free selections). So, if the Virgin albums were available at record clubs (I don't think it was at Columbia at all), it was at regular price

But, anyway- this is a Hot 100 thread. And speaking of a Jackson... anyone surprised by "Hold My Hand's" showing? We'll see how the album fares.

Britney's album was certified for 10mm but only sold 6.6 million at the time.

[HolidayGuy]

^Spears' debut was still selling tons of copies at that time, so the label more than likely shipped that many units. Plus, it probably had decent record club sales, as it was not a Virgin album release.

[falkos]

LA REID better tell us a reason why OG was selling in low price for just 1 week???!!!

Just ONE explenation
Just ONE
We are not stupid, we are clever enough

[badrobot]

I don't think anyone in the industry is looking at Rihanna and thinking she's a bad investment right now. She sells reasonably well on albums and does phenomenally well on the singles chart.

You want to see disparity on singles vs. albums, look at Flo Rida or Taio Cruz.

Not every artist performs the same way, and there's nothing really that unusual about Rihanna's performance.

[badrobot]

Dec 13, 2010 10:20:57 GMT -5 falkos said:

LA REID better tell us a reason why OG was selling in low price for just 1 week???!!!

Just ONE explenation
Just ONE
We are not stupid, we are clever enough

Did you read above? They wanted to send the song to #1. Says so right there. Clearly Reid was overruled on that decision.

Turned out it worked, although it may have sold just as well without the discount.

[oldskool2]

wow Stereo Love is finally a Hit on Top 40. Loved this song ever since I heard it in a club in Italy months ago.