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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 19:02:37 GMT -5
The same was being said for Miranda when "Dead Flowers" flopped... but now look at her. Like someone said above, this could be the "Dead Flowers" of this album. You never know. It just seems there's more hype this time around than the first two, or at least the second album. It really just takes one big hit and you're good nowadays. One top 5 or #1 could start a string of big hits for her. That's certainly true. But Miranda breaking through is still relatively "new" news. We don't see a female coming along every 12-18 months and turning into a superstar...so just because Miranda has "made it big", I don't see any reason to expect Kellie will do the same. It could go the opposite way, in which radio folks think "well, Miranda is a big star now, we don't really need another (in Kellie)". I'm not trying to knock Kellie or this song...I've never called myself a fan of hers, but this is the first single from her I've enjoyed. I hope the album is just as good, but I just don't see any reason at this point to expect she's going to suddenly become one of the few top females of the genre. I'm not sure there's an open spot right now, to be honest.
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Post by grayclay on Oct 4, 2011 20:10:17 GMT -5
The same was being said for Miranda when "Dead Flowers" flopped... but now look at her. Like someone said above, this could be the "Dead Flowers" of this album. You never know. It just seems there's more hype this time around than the first two, or at least the second album. It really just takes one big hit and you're good nowadays. One top 5 or #1 could start a string of big hits for her. That's certainly true. But Miranda breaking through is still relatively "new" news. We don't see a female coming along every 12-18 months and turning into a superstar...so just because Miranda has "made it big", I don't see any reason to expect Kellie will do the same. It could go the opposite way, in which radio folks think "well, Miranda is a big star now, we don't really need another (in Kellie)". I'm not trying to knock Kellie or this song...I've never called myself a fan of hers, but this is the first single from her I've enjoyed. I hope the album is just as good, but I just don't see any reason at this point to expect she's going to suddenly become one of the few top females of the genre. I'm not sure there's an open spot right now, to be honest. This isn't a mathematical formula. Of course there is room for Kellie. Honestly, I think Kellie offers something different than Miranda. She's got a different sound. This track was probably not the best one to choose for a lead single. It is still missing the wow factor, I guess. But I hope it doesn't seal the fate of the album. From the material I've heard, it should be a pretty excellent CD. I'm hoping for the best.
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Post by austin on Oct 4, 2011 20:26:31 GMT -5
It's just such a shame that Kellie has been away from country radio for so long. You would figure they would jump all over her new material. My opinion of the song aside, I don't see why anyone would think that would be the case. Her one REAL hit was a Taylor Swift co-write that was propelled by Taylor in the video. All the rest have floundered before the Top 10. Why would anyone expect this to do anything different? She would need to knock it out of the park to reach the Top 10 again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 22:15:44 GMT -5
This isn't a mathematical formula. Of course there is room for Kellie. Honestly, I think Kellie offers something different than Miranda. She's got a different sound. This track was probably not the best one to choose for a lead single. It is still missing the wow factor, I guess. But I hope it doesn't seal the fate of the album. From the material I've heard, it should be a pretty excellent CD. I'm hoping for the best. Where did I say anything about a mathematical formula? My point is, there are fewer females on country radio than there are males...and there are fewer females with contracts for major record labels. Simply put, there are more men on country radio. I never said I don't think Kellie can break through. I was simply saying that, just because Miranda has broken through, I don't think that means we should expect someone else to break through right away. Aside from Carrie, Taylor, and now Miranda, there really aren't any females than can consistently produce big hits and sales. Reba, Sara, Martina...they've all done decently but are clearly not among the big 3 right now. Sara scored a big hit with a lead single/comeback, but her follow-up is struggling more than "Tough" is. Reba's current single is floundering, and her last single barely scratched the top 40. And Martina's latest single is starting to pick up the pace, yet she hasn't cracked the top 10 in years. And, I agree with austin...while a lot of people on Pulse like Kellie, the truth is, she's really not that big of a star. She's had a string of decent-sized hits, but none of them were ever that big...and the only one I occasionally hear on the radio is "Best Days Of Your Life". I like "Tough". I'd like to see Kellie do well. But my point is that, I haven't seen any signs so far that she's about ready to break through to the big time, so I'm not expecting it to happen at this point.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 4, 2011 22:50:12 GMT -5
I hope this album breaks her into superstardom, and I really love this song and want it to keep going. I don't want her to start over and send something new out. This sounds like a radio smash, I just wish radio would pick it up... it had such a strong start, too. And its not like it stalled because it was getting negative reception like Martina's Teenage Daughters; in fact, its done the opposite.
Although I'm not quite sure I agree that this era is hyped up more than last era; the Kellie Pickler era kicked off with her debuting DYKYB on the ACM Awards, and then she got to perform Best Days on the CMAs that year as well. I felt like she had more going for her in commercial visibility last era. Hopefully that changes though, because a lot of online feedback has been positive in regards to her direction for the album.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Oct 5, 2011 1:30:41 GMT -5
I haven't heard this song, but I will back what I've been saying ever since AI. She isn't want the audience is wanting and doesn't really have anything great about her that makes her a star. After this flops (like it is doing and I thought it would), I think she will be close to done.
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Post by Black Jesus on Oct 5, 2011 8:09:11 GMT -5
Looks like I was right about this song being over weeks ago...
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 5, 2011 8:12:33 GMT -5
I haven't heard this song, but I will back what I've been saying ever since AI. She isn't want the audience is wanting and doesn't really have anything great about her that makes her a star. After this flops (like it is doing and I thought it would), I think she will be close to done. I disagree completely. And I think that mis-informed here by saying she's not what the audience wants. There's a reason why she's a frequent visitor on Ellen (she's hilarious), and there's a reason why she's had two albums debut at #1 on the country chart, and she's never outright flopped with a radio single. All of her singles have been Top 30 hits, and most of them have been solid Top 20 entries, with a Platinum-selling Top 10 hit, a Gold-selling debut single, and the critically acclaimed 'I Wonder.'
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Post by grayclay on Oct 5, 2011 8:17:44 GMT -5
Wait until you hear the new album to judge. I have a feeling the album is gonna be Grammy worthy. The material I've heard is reminiscent of the classics - Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, and Tammy Wynette. Anybody who likes these artists would love her new material.
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Post by grayclay on Oct 5, 2011 8:40:51 GMT -5
I haven't heard this song, but I will back what I've been saying ever since AI. She isn't want the audience is wanting and doesn't really have anything great about her that makes her a star. After this flops (like it is doing and I thought it would), I think she will be close to done. Sorry but this is a crock of s**t that she's not what the audience wants. She's not what the radio programmers and payola BS wants. I've heard nothing but positive feedback about this song and her Country Callout scores reinforce that. And obviously you've never seen her live-she is fantastic. If she was on Big Machine, she could be a household name.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 5, 2011 8:44:40 GMT -5
I haven't heard this song, but I will back what I've been saying ever since AI. She isn't want the audience is wanting and doesn't really have anything great about her that makes her a star. After this flops (like it is doing and I thought it would), I think she will be close to done. I disagree completely. And I think that mis-informed here by saying she's not what the audience wants. There's a reason why she's a frequent visitor on Ellen (she's hilarious), and there's a reason why she's had two albums debut at #1 on the country chart, and she's never outright flopped with a radio single. All of her singles have been Top 30 hits, and most of them have been solid Top 20 entries, with a Platinum-selling Top 10 hit, a Gold-selling debut single, and the critically acclaimed 'I Wonder.' I agree, I don't think it's accurate to say she's not what the audience wants. I think it would be more accurate to say, after Idol, she wasn't given a large enough audience to be as big as Carrie/Taylor/Miranda etc... She came in 6th on Idol, but still managed to deliver with Platinum sales on her debut. She then released a Gold selling sophomore album showing some strong staying power. This compared to most Idol sophomore albums was a huge hit. She is what the audience wants, she just hasn't been given enough attention by radio and her label.
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Post by layne on Oct 5, 2011 8:57:07 GMT -5
Bottom Line. She clearly has folks wanting to hear the song on radio. It's just like tons of other songs, the radio programmers have way too much control over an Artists career. Lately, Ashley Gearing, Kellie, and several others non-star females have had really good songs out that simply aren't getting the spins on radio despite good call out scores and tons of requests.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 11:07:30 GMT -5
Looks like I was right about this song being over weeks ago... Wow, a psychic! Anyway, I don't believe that any sort of payola or label politics are holding this song back, and I don't buy into the "this label is better than that label" argument. There are dozens and dozens of songs that are great songs and never go anywhere. Yes, maybe it is up to radio programmers, but they have their hands full trying to play the best mix of everything. Maybe they could do better, but I don't think they purposely hold songs back. Sony is plenty strong. Big Machine is strong. But to say that everyone on the Big Machine label is a household name is ridiculous. Steel Magnolia is struggling to crack the top 50 right now. There's a song called "Amen" out there by a new trio named Eden's Edge (who are on Big Machine)..."Amen" is only a few spots higher on the chart than "Tough" is, yet "Amen" is 28 weeks old and "Tough" is 18 weeks old. Sunny Sweeney has struggled to break through, while Reba & Justin Moore--2 artists who've had recent #1 hits--are really struggling right now with their current singles. To say that everything is "corrupt" because one of your favorite artists isn't "hitting it big" like you feel he/she deserves is just tough to believe, especially when one of the biggest stars of the genre for the past 2 decades, Alan Jackson (someone who certainly has plenty of fans, right?), has a lead single out as well, that's in the TOP 3 at callout and yet he's stuck on the cusp of the top 30 as well. There are a ton of examples I could bring in, a ton of songs I could mention that have all been lost in the shuffle, but it would take too long and no one would probably care anyway. Bottom line is, yes, it may be up to radio programmers but they can't play everything. If Kellie was suddenly racing up the chart right now, then someone like The Band Perry or Trace Adkins, for example, suddenly wasn't getting played as much, there would be a lot of PO'd fans on their side(s). Not everything turns into a hit. I'd be rich if I had a dime for every song I thought sounded like a #1 but never made the top 30.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
To say that everything is "corrupt" because one of your favorite artists isn't "hitting it big" like you feel he/she deserves is just tough to believe:kii: Not everything turns into a hit. I'd be rich if I had a dime for every song I thought sounded like a #1 but never made the top 30. Agreed. Despite what some here want to believe, at times, radio simply proves to be unpredictable.
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Post by layne on Oct 5, 2011 11:17:14 GMT -5
^I agree with all this but in the end, Radio play determines whether or not these people become stars or just mediocre. I'm not sure why Radio decides or doesn't decide to play songs but it's clear that some worse one's than tough are being played to death.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 5, 2011 11:24:38 GMT -5
I nominate jhomes87's post the post of the year. Talk about three chords and the truth!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 11:25:59 GMT -5
^I agree with all this but in the end, Radio play determines whether or not these people become stars or just mediocre. I'm not sure why Radio decides or doesn't decide to play songs but it's clear that some worse one's than tough are being played to death. I agree as well. But what can you do? Fans of the big name stars are always gonna be happy (well, at least until their star dims). It's tough for newer artists, or for those like Kellie, who aren't exactly new anymore but haven't really broken through. I'll never understand how it all works--I just think that there's a lot that goes into everything...and I think that labels of course work hard to try to boost their artists' careers...otherwise, signing a particular artist that you never promoted wouldn't be a very sound investment now would it? There are just a LOT of artist and a LOT of songs. If you sit down sometime and take a look at the roster of artists on all the different labels, there are tens and tens of artists out there and that's just looking at the artist rosters of the major labels. Simply put, there's just not room for everything on radio. Maybe things would be a little better if the airplay for the top songs was cut back, so that things were closer packed throughout the rest of the chart, but I have a hard time seeing that come to fruition. Part of the reason that the number of spins and the level of audience it takes to hit #1 is up that high is because everybody wants a #1 and that pushes the numbers up as everyone competes with one another.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Oct 5, 2011 12:23:24 GMT -5
You guys are free to disagree with me that's fine, but to say that my OPINION is incorrect or misinformed is what is pure BS. I personally believe that if she is what the audience does want that radio would notice that and therefore make her singles chart higher than they have which would in turn, for the most part, make her sell more albums. (oh boy, ONE critically acclaimed single).
Big whoopee if she is on Ellen....if she IS actually funny, maybe that's the direction she needs to take since the music direction isn't really working out all that well.
I have no interest in hearing this or anything else from her new album. I've heard enough from her in order "to judge".
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Post by layne on Oct 5, 2011 12:36:38 GMT -5
^There are really only 3 major female Artists that are getting tons of airplay right now. Carrie, Miranda and Taylor. Yeah Martina, Sara Evans, and Reba have had some songs that did well this year but Kellie isn't any different than Sunny Sweeney, Laura Belle Bundy, Julianne Hough, LeeAnn Womack and I could go on and on. All of those women have had good songs that deserved more airtime. They might be stars if their music was heard more and therefore people would buy more.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Oct 5, 2011 12:59:59 GMT -5
You guys are free to disagree with me that's fine, but to say that my OPINION is incorrect or misinformed is what is pure BS. I personally believe that if she is what the audience does want that radio would notice that and therefore make her singles chart higher than they have which would in turn, for the most part, make her sell more albums. (oh boy, ONE critically acclaimed single). Big whoopee if she is on Ellen....if she IS actually funny, maybe that's the direction she needs to take since the music direction isn't really working out all that well. I have no interest in hearing this or anything else from her new album. I've heard enough from her in order "to judge". Now Steelo, of course your welcome to your opinion. But come on dude, if you want that opinion to be taken seriously, I don't believe its to much to ask to at least listen to the song first. I have despised every song that Rodney Atkins' voice has graced... but I will at least listen before I judge.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Oct 5, 2011 13:07:00 GMT -5
I have liked ONE Kellie song and that's it. I actually downloaded one of her albums hoping to like it and change my opinion of her, but I was terribly disappointed with it and my opinion of her has since stood.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Oct 5, 2011 13:14:37 GMT -5
Fair enough, Ive liked three (this being #3). But I will at least listen first.
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Post by austin on Oct 5, 2011 13:15:40 GMT -5
I actually am with Steelo on this one. Her debut album sales were coming off American Idol, and her second album barely went Gold despite a Top 10 single with Taylor Swift in the video (who was the biggest thing music-wise in any genre in 2008-2009). I don't think there is much interest for Kellie and I don't think she offers anything any of the other newcomers or established women in the format don't already bring.
But unlike Steelo I have listened to the single (and watched the video) and I don't think he's missing much by sitting this one out.
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Post by jamesmckee on Oct 5, 2011 18:18:12 GMT -5
I've been waiting to see if anyone else would mention this...does anyone else think she looks like Mindy McCready (If I don't Stay The Night era) in this video? I think she looks HOT in this video, but I always thought Mindy was hot too.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Oct 5, 2011 22:01:34 GMT -5
I've been waiting to see if anyone else would mention this...does anyone else think she looks like Mindy McCready (If I don't Stay The Night era) in this video? I think she looks HOT in this video, but I always thought Mindy was hot too. I always thought they looked and sounded a lot alike, and they both are/were on BNA. I think Kellie could pull off a really good version of "You'll Never Know", for some reason I really want to hear her do it. I miss Mindy now that you mention her.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Oct 6, 2011 20:54:38 GMT -5
These past few updates have been worrying me and based on them, I'm tempted to call this song done. I know the video hasn't made much of an impact yet, but something needs to happen this week; it's now or never, do or die...
I'll repeat what I've said earlier, this is way too good to peak at #30.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 6, 2011 20:57:12 GMT -5
I'll repeat what I've said earlier, this is way too good to peak at #30. This. Oh God I sure hope its not done :'(
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Post by someguy on Oct 6, 2011 21:45:19 GMT -5
I think this is about done. It might be in Kellie's interest to move on and have a second song at radio in time for the album's release.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 22:59:51 GMT -5
I think this is about done. It might be in Kellie's interest to move on and have a second song at radio in time for the album's release. ...if they still release the album as planned. I mean, I'm sure it will come out eventually if/when she gets a hit, but they could push it into next year if "Tough" is done, and I agree that that's looking likely. A drop from #30 to #34 on the 10/15 chart certainly wasn't encouraging, and now she's down a little over 200k for the week so far. Unless she can gain something back over the rest of the week, this could be her 2nd bullet-less week, and thus her last week on the chart..
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Post by someguy on Oct 6, 2011 23:35:57 GMT -5
I think this is about done. It might be in Kellie's interest to move on and have a second song at radio in time for the album's release. ...if they still release the album as planned. I mean, I'm sure it will come out eventually if/when she gets a hit, but they could push it into next year if "Tough" is done, and I agree that that's looking likely. A drop from #30 to #34 on the 10/15 chart certainly wasn't encouraging, and now she's down a little over 200k for the week so far. Unless she can gain something back over the rest of the week, this could be her 2nd bullet-less week, and thus her last week on the chart.. Yeah, I totally agree with this. My prediction is that a new single goes to radio in November, and the album gets pushed to at least next Spring.
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