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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 7:32:47 GMT -5
How DARE Obama punish people for doing illegal things. Whatever next?! This. However, this does seem extreme. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:12:05 GMT -5
The Obama era is becoming the censorship era. They are even banning websites that they feel are sharing illegal material, like torrent sites. They are determined to end illegal downloads (movies, music, porn... everything). Obama, like his handlers, want EVERYTHING to be a crime. Are you surprised? He signed on to continue the war, he's against same-sex marriage equality, etc. Democrats need to think twice before electing this man again. Not to turn this into a political debate-- but you really expect same-sex marriage equality by voting for a Republican this time around? |
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Post by brianpk80 on Jun 22, 2011 15:44:10 GMT -5
Remember, "we the people" cannot band together and say we don't want laws like this. The purpose of the legal system is to oppress the powerless 99% of the country, not to protect us.
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 22, 2011 19:12:11 GMT -5
Um...  For one thing, this should be way far on the back burner on the government's mind, and if they do this, they will in fact HURT the music industry, not help it. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 22, 2011 19:14:28 GMT -5
The Obama era is becoming the censorship era. They are even banning websites that they feel are sharing illegal material, like torrent sites. They are determined to end illegal downloads (movies, music, porn... everything). Obama, like his handlers, want EVERYTHING to be a crime. Are you surprised? He signed on to continue the war, he's against same-sex marriage equality, etc. Democrats need to think twice before electing this man again. Really, what does Obama have to do with this bill? I haven't seen him pushing for it at all. I don't know why Democratic & Republican Senators are pushing for legislation like this. This is what the Democrats (Coons) & Republicans(Cornyn) in congress can agree on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 23:09:56 GMT -5
The MPAA and RIAA are also working with major internet service providers to implement a 3 strikes rule. If you're found to have downloaded files illegally or streamed content illegally 3 times, they will cut your Internet access and you will have to attend classes on copyright infringement.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 23, 2011 23:23:01 GMT -5
LMAO seriously I am beyond  at that so it'll be like going to defensive driving. I think it's very over-the-top tbh and not to mention an invasion of privacy. Because your ISP is basically handing your info over to the RIAA and MPAA. I still can't at that being a felony aren't are prisons full enough. This law is just another smack in the public's face. Congress has bigger fish to fry I believe this will backfire big time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 23:25:35 GMT -5
It's not an invasion of privacy if you're breaking the law. You lose that right of privacy when you commit a felony.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 24, 2011 0:06:25 GMT -5
But how would know actually they know if you were or not? Oh wait.. isn't there something in most Terms of Service agreements with phone/internet companies that gives them the right to do that, and they can track sites you've visited right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 0:07:50 GMT -5
But how would know actually they know if you were or not? Oh wait.. isn't there something in most Terms of Service agreements with phone/internet companies that gives them the right to do that, and they can track sites you've visited right? Yes. Your ISP is aware of every site you visit. Plenty of ISPs already send out warnings for copyright infringement. |
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jun 24, 2011 0:15:47 GMT -5
Wow. Can we please do something efficient in Congress instead of s**t like this? Fucking seriously. |
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 24, 2011 0:19:36 GMT -5
But how would know actually they know if you were or not? Oh wait.. isn't there something in most Terms of Service agreements with phone/internet companies that gives them the right to do that, and they can track sites you've visited right? Yes. Your ISP is aware of every site you visit. Plenty of ISPs already send out warnings for copyright infringement. True. I've heard of people's ISP's giving them warnings. They were downloading movies, music, etc. from all these torrent sites. You know what I've always wonder what the policy was on out of print material because that's when it gets tricky. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 0:23:13 GMT -5
You know what I've always wonder what the policy was on out of print material because that's when it gets tricky. Just because the company has stopped manufacturing it does not mean that the copyright has expired, so it's still illegal. |
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Post by Acid Eyes on Jun 24, 2011 0:51:19 GMT -5
I'm beginning to wonder if this bill arose because law enforcement officials are worried about getting laid off after Whitey's arrest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 17:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 16, 2011 17:24:39 GMT -5
I need to study this and consider some contrary opinions on this...Piracy does take money from people but it also keeps record company's in particular honest.
It pains me to say this but I'm against this bill. Its too draconian! It goes too far.
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Post by cartman2002 on Nov 25, 2011 23:48:35 GMT -5
What are the chances this bill will pass the house then pass the Senate and then get signed by Pres. Obama?
I'm just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 5:54:41 GMT -5
It's times like this when I'm happy that I don't live in America. |
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Post by spooky21 on Nov 26, 2011 10:27:38 GMT -5
The Obama era is becoming the censorship era. They are even banning websites that they feel are sharing illegal material, like torrent sites. They are determined to end illegal downloads (movies, music, porn... everything). Obama, like his handlers, want EVERYTHING to be a crime. Are you surprised? He signed on to continue the war, he's against same-sex marriage equality, etc. Democrats need to think twice before electing this man again. Wow, you're like, really stupid. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 26, 2011 14:12:10 GMT -5
Are you surprised? He signed on to continue the war, he's against same-sex marriage equality, etc. Democrats need to think twice before electing this man again. Wow, you're like, really stupid. LOL at THIS from someone in the UK. Focus on your own country. Yesterday Obama enjoyed his 30th round of golf THIS year and 88th in less than three. While country is mired in economic trouble, he's living the highlife. |
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Post by Rurry on Nov 26, 2011 14:29:31 GMT -5
This thread is about an anti-piracy law, not what Obama does in his free time. Let's get this back on track! :)
Honestly, I get that piracy is a problem and all, but practically spying on people just to make sure they're not illegally downloading seems rather excessive to me, and I can't help but think there's much more pressing issues that needs to be dealt with than this.
From what I've heard Obama has actually said he would veto this bill if it got onto his desk.
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Post by cartman2002 on Dec 2, 2011 23:12:11 GMT -5
Any new updates about this legisation? I heard that Sen. Wyden is planning to filibuster the PIPA legislation soon and that there will be a possible alternative plan in the works.
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Post by K. on Dec 16, 2011 17:02:54 GMT -5
Illegal downloading costs the entertainment industry billions every year. That, of course, equals lost revenue to the government as well, in the form of tax revenues. Online piracy is not a Republican or Democratic issue, nor should it be, and it makes sense that they should be going after it now.
Illegal downloading may not be affecting your favorite artists overly much, but it is definitely effecting the industry as a whole. Labels can't invest fully in new artists because they have less wiggle room to cover losses because their big artists aren't making as much money. They are also more reluctant to allow big artists to experiment with new writers/producers/styles. The result is we have radio playing the same dozen artists with the same stale producers/tracks year after year.
I believe Copyright law needs to change. There is absolutely no reason why protection should be so incredibly long, especially for music, which has such a short shelf-life. I'd say it should be protected fifteen years at the most (compared to the current life of the author plus 70 ridiculousness). Or there should be more lenient fair use requirements, so that you can use an artist's songs provided you aren't making money off the use and are not using it to advance your own career, etc. But illegal downloading should unquestionably be illegal and no one has any right to complain if the laws are enforced. Buy the damn music or listen to the radio or official myspace/youtube/etc. streams.
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Post by dbhmr on Dec 16, 2011 17:19:14 GMT -5
^Agreed. I'm always surprised that people have become so used to illegal downloading that they feel their actually entitled t0 continue to do so. It's stealing, plain and simple, and it's not affecting their faves, it's affecting all the people with the thankless, anonymous jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 18:05:52 GMT -5
Changing the law isn't going to do much, people will still do it. They need to emphasize the notion that stealing is wrong, etc. Because, most of today's kids don't see it as stealing, at all. It's funny, my family actually encouraged me to download music for free, because they certainly weren't going to pay for it for me. In fact, my uncle taught me how to use torrents. I never thought any different til I was older. An MP3 file isn't anything tangable and illegal downloading isn't something easily caught (like shoplifting a CD), so it's really easy to not even think of it as something bad. I knew so many people in High School that illegally downloaded all their music. And it was no big deal to them. And very few of them ever bought CD's in stores. Short attention spans + the general knowledge that most today's albums are nothing but filler outside the singles + very few stars that can command a large fanbase + media (mostly TV) having less and less emphasis on promoting music (MTV turning into RealityTV) = the mess we have now. Just my 2 cents  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 21:22:00 GMT -5
I really don't think teaching kids that stealing is wrong is going to stop it. lol If kids could go into a convenient store and steal drinks, gum, and cigarettes without repercussions, they'd do that too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 4:46:19 GMT -5
Stealing isn't wrong if the person you're stealing 10 dollars from someone who makes 90 million a year for doing basically nothing.  Nah, but seriously, I don't even know anyone that buys music legally. People are too used to downloading illegally to start buying everything legally again. They'd probably just listen to it on youtube if torrenting wasn't possible anymore. |
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Post by K. on Dec 18, 2011 13:45:43 GMT -5
If their parents start getting sued I bet a lot of kids would stop buying legally.
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