HITS 7/05: Beyonce #1 290-310k

[TGIF]

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

- & when Teenage Dream debuted, Katy was not as established as Beyonce is who has been out for over 10 years...that was only Katy's 2nd album so of course she wouldnt beat that ???

One name: Adele

obviously you cant hold every artist to Adele's standards ??? she is slaying everyone, that kind of success if not something that just comes around for people, its more of an anomaly like Susan Boyle's was with her first album.

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I don't think anyone would say Brit's HIAM flopped, that's ridiculous.

it is very ridiculous but people have been saying that just like they have been saying it about Born This Way the song too. people see it as a dud so thats why i find it kinda shady & convenient how all of a sudden its seen as some big hit smash single.

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

the numbers are very good but so was Ashlee Simpson's I Am Me which dropped off quick after the first week all i'm saying is that they're acting as if egg has been dropped on anybody's face when this is only week 1.. let's see how things go after that before we start bragging

No one's bragging, we are just defending the Queen's name. We are simply celebrating after weeks of people bashing everything Bey has put out and done.

well i guess if you want to celebrate first week predictions but it's not really slaying or putting eggs on anyone's face like it's being made out to be

[F.A.M.O.U.S.]

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

its kinda sad that the only way they can make beyonce seem like she's doing good is by putting others down the bullet points that member made doesnt make much sense anyway..

- Ke$ha had the biggest song of the year as a new artist ??? why someone would even compare her to beyonce is just dumb

- & when Teenage Dream debuted, Katy was not as established as Beyonce is who has been out for over 10 years...that was only Katy's 2nd album so of course she wouldnt beat that ???

- & he's already talking about beating Britney's numbers when this is just a prediction & its still "275-300k" which is about the same plus alot of people were quick to dismiss HIAM as a flop b/c of how fast it peaked so now its just fishy that all of sudden the story is changed & now its considered a hit single so that it can be conveniently used to put others down to make Bey look better "defend" Beyonce


the numbers are very good but so was Ashlee Simpson's I Am Me which dropped off quick after the first week all i'm saying is that they're acting as if egg has been dropped on anybody's face when this is only week 1.. let's see how things go after that before we start bragging

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy also started strong [[over 450,000]] but lost steam fairly quickly too....plus his situation is a lot like Beyonces but he had even less radio presence + publicity than Beyonce did. He had holiday sales to back him up in following weeks to but he still faced a strong dropoff so theres no telling where this will go just yet.

As for the stans comparing Beyonce to Kesha + Katy.......LOL. not that long ago,they would bite ppl's head off for daring to even mention them in the same sentence because they were seen as newbie singles artists but now they want to pit their album sales to Beyonces to make her look better.....just comedy

[lucylu]

Jun 30, 2011 12:34:56 GMT -5 TGIF said:

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

One name: Adele

obviously you cant hold every artist to Adele's standards ??? she is slaying everyone, that kind of success if not something that just comes around for people, its more of an anomaly like Susan Boyle's was with her first album.




it is very ridiculous but people have been saying that just like they have been saying it about Born This Way the song too. people see it as a dud so thats why i find it kinda shady & convenient how all of a sudden its seen as some big hit smash single.



No one's bragging, we are just defending the Queen's name. We are simply celebrating after weeks of people bashing everything Bey has put out and done.

well i guess if you want to celebrate first week predictions but it's not really slaying or putting eggs on anyone's face like it's being made out to be [/quote]

I know. She's doing the same numbers as the embattled Chris Brown.

[slw84]

Jun 30, 2011 9:46:01 GMT -5 Jack said:

This thread is a mess.

I especially enjoy how people have set up all these arbitrary parameters for what will/won't make this album a success. They keep raising the bar. "It hasn't turned around yet, it might have turned around if it hit 400k, but not now", "It will only be a success if it makes some top ten albums lists", "Britney would have had 100,000 more copies than Beyonce if she'd had similar promo".

Let's quickly dispel this myth that Beyonce has been on some massive promo blitz in the US for the last week. Did someone really try and credit Beyonce's performance at Glastonbury for a significant portion of her opening US sales? She did Oprah, Billboard and Idol a month ago. For the single. And it didn't really do all that much. For whatever reason. So can someone explain to me how the promotional benefits were so specific and selective, that they didn't turn the single into a smash then and there, but a month later it's been permeating in people's minds enough to make them rush out and buy the album?

I don't think people realize how quickly the general public forget. On Pulse, we remember the when, where, what and how of every little performance but that's not how it works in the real world. Months old performances don't sell albums. Hit singles do, massive presence during release week does, genius marketing tools (Amazon discounts) do. So it's remarkable that in the middle of summer, without a hit single and ONE performance in the US during the release week so far, Beyonce's number's are projected this high.

They're impressive taking everything into consideration, they're impressive relative to what everyone else opened with, they're impressive relative to her own openings. I'd say more so than Sasha Fierce, which sold a hundred and fifty thousand more with two hit singles, Q4 release and a true promo blitz that week. If people were trying to 'blame' (through some backwards logic, that's the word) the album's European opening week numbers on promo, I'd swallow it, but not the US. Sorry.

As far as Britney goes...their domestic promotional schedules for the album release will not be all that different. High profile awards show slot(s), MTV Special, Good Morning America. Let's not try and pretend there's been a massive difference.

Again I shouldn't be surprised. The single thread's gone quiet, the album thread's gone quiet. This seems to be the last place people can discredit and devalue a project that was widely-projected as doomed by most around her and many in the press. Clutching on straws in an effort not to admit you were wrong isn't cool. Just enjoy the naysayer pie and move on. Lots of artists are having lots of success. It's strange to think there'd be a more positive vibe to this thread if she'd had the Bionic situation that so many people were crossing their fingers for.

Didn't read but are you really creating a dissertation regarding these response.LOL.
That said, you are taking a cue from Will and sometimes I would have to include myself...your learning from the best...let me step away b4 I start welling up with tears.

J/k.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

They STILL hurt the KING be debuting with more than they fave?



It must hurt to no that KING B's gonna pass Chris Brown's recent album totals in only 4-5 weeks. :'( :'(

[slw84]

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

[quote
No one's bragging, we are just defending the Queen's name. We are simply celebrating after weeks of people bashing everything Bey has put out and done. Mind you, for no reason, just to simply hate. Hate is the key word here.

Well to be fair 85% of you all are doing it right...praising ur fave without bringing up others...unfortunately.ppl are also bringing up other artist being slayed bc of projections when others are having much success radio wise single wise and in some instance album wise (mainly with longevity).
But it is only fair to give props to the majority that have celebrated without comparisons...which some have already identified flaws in.

[slw84]

Jun 30, 2011 12:36:27 GMT -5 F.A.M.O.U.S. said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

its kinda sad that the only way they can make beyonce seem like she's doing good is by putting others down the bullet points that member made doesnt make much sense anyway..

- Ke$ha had the biggest song of the year as a new artist ??? why someone would even compare her to beyonce is just dumb

- & when Teenage Dream debuted, Katy was not as established as Beyonce is who has been out for over 10 years...that was only Katy's 2nd album so of course she wouldnt beat that ???

- & he's already talking about beating Britney's numbers when this is just a prediction & its still "275-300k" which is about the same plus alot of people were quick to dismiss HIAM as a flop b/c of how fast it peaked so now its just fishy that all of sudden the story is changed & now its considered a hit single so that it can be conveniently used to put others down to make Bey look better "defend" Beyonce


the numbers are very good but so was Ashlee Simpson's I Am Me which dropped off quick after the first week all i'm saying is that they're acting as if egg has been dropped on anybody's face when this is only week 1.. let's see how things go after that before we start bragging

It's weird bc ppl like u and revolution usually have differing opinions but it always seems like I agree with ur points of view.

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy also started strong [[over 450,000]] but lost steam fairly quickly too....plus his situation is a lot like Beyonces but he had even less radio presence + publicity than Beyonce did. He had holiday sales to back him up in following weeks to but he still faced a strong dropoff so theres no telling where this will go just yet.

As for the stans comparing Beyonce to Kesha + Katy.......LOL. not that long ago,they would bite ppl's head off for daring to even mention them in the same sentence because they were seen as newbie singles artists but now they want to pit their album sales to Beyonces to make her look better.....just comedy

[wavey.]

Hahah this is crazy.

[Jack]

F.A.M.O.U.S. of all the wrong that is being perpetrated in this thread, I think you've contributed the most to it.

- She got more press and recognition? You act as though this is a bad thing. She gave great performances, and got recognized for it. In any case, it wasn't enough to turn 'Run The World's' fortunes around, so what makes you think the general public enjoying Beyonce's Billboard performance is enough to propel opening week sales a month later? And that's another thing. I thought no one was checking for Beyonce during these award shows? Throughout Pulse I got the impression nobody talked about Beyonce after these award shows, and it was all about Britney etc. All of a sudden Beyonce's performances not only have people talking at the end of the night, but a month later?!

- 'Hype' is not the reason '4' is being reported as a flop by some people (hi Perez). That is absurd. I can't think of a project from a major artist that has had less hype or more negativity since Bionic. Bionic fell foul of the ill-will and negativity permeated online and in the press. 4 didn't. Beyonce fans, her label, and many press outlets are considering this a victory considering the state of things a few weeks ago. Yes, I know there's longevity to consider, and there are people here still hoping for a fall. You saying the hype and 'flop immunity' that ran riot before 4's release is the reason some people are bemoaning the numbers is entirely false and almost the exact opposite of what happened.


Other wrongness from other people: When Teenage Dream debuted Katy Perry was not as established as Beyonce? No. She wasn't. She's still new, 'young', fresh. In a Pop music landscape where 'newness' is key, and 'oldness' has been the downfall of everyone else, Beyonce (along with Pink, Britney, Usher etc.) has weathered the storm and remained. Being the 'hot new thing' is a far far stronger card then being 'the established thing' in terms of Pop music. Let's not get that twisted. Again, trying to paint Hold It Against Me as a flop comparable to Run The World is just re-writing history.

Which seems to be something that's happening a lot around here. Which would be tolerable if this kind of history wasn't, oh say, as recent as last week. So much reaching and re-defining the successes. People continuing to move the goal posts so they can call this/her a flop must surely be as boring to do as it is to read.

I'll save you the time.

4 is not, and will not be successful because it's not as successful as Thriller.

Best Thing I Never Had will never be as successful single because it will never sell as many copies as Candle In The Wind.

Beyonce will never be a good role model because she will never be President.

[HolidayGuy]

Some of these posters who get into the "stanning" are too much- I wonder if they see how humorous and ridiculous it all is.

[lucylu]

Jun 30, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

- & when Teenage Dream debuted, Katy was not as established as Beyonce is who has been out for over 10 years...that was only Katy's 2nd album so of course she wouldnt beat that ???

One name: Adele


I don't think anyone would say Brit's HIAM flopped, that's ridiculous. Compared to other #1's, yes it looks bad cause of how fast it dropped but it was still a hit regardless. NOW, compared to Bey's single there's no comparison. Is not to make Bey look better its just facts.

Jun 30, 2011 11:53:54 GMT -5 TGIF said:

the numbers are very good but so was Ashlee Simpson's I Am Me which dropped off quick after the first week all i'm saying is that they're acting as if egg has been dropped on anybody's face when this is only week 1.. let's see how things go after that before we start bragging

No one's bragging, we are just defending the Queen's name. We are simply celebrating after weeks of people bashing everything Bey has put out and done. Mind you, for no reason, just to simply hate. Hate is the key word here.

Adele is a unique case. When has Beyonce ever pulled 100k a week in the US for 5 months?

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 30, 2011 13:42:56 GMT -5 lucylu said:

Adele is a unique case. When has Beyonce ever pulled 100k a week in the US for 5 months?

when have YOU pulled 1k in a week EVER? yea okay.

[lucylu]

Jun 30, 2011 13:44:55 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Jun 30, 2011 13:42:56 GMT -5 lucylu said:

Adele is a unique case. When has Beyonce ever pulled 100k a week in the US for 5 months?

when have YOU pulled 1k in a week EVER? yea okay.

could'nt come up with nothing else huh? so you start asking me about my sales
How are YOUR sales? and when has Beyonce ever pulled 100k a week in the US for 5 months? NEVER so Adele is irrelevant to this topic and does not need to be mentioned regarding this subject anymore, kapeeche.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 30, 2011 13:50:56 GMT -5 lucylu said:

Jun 30, 2011 13:44:55 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

when have YOU pulled 1k in a week EVER? yea okay.

could'nt come up with nothing else huh? so you start asking me about my sales
How are YOUR sales? and when has Beyonce ever pulled 100k a week in the US for 5 months? NEVER so Adele is irrelevant to this topic and does not need to be mentioned regarding this subject anymore, kapeeche.

AHHH SO YOU ARE SEETHING BECAUSE YOU AREN'T AS SUCCESSFUL. I CI.

[wavey.]

Jun 30, 2011 13:50:56 GMT -5 lucylu said:

Jun 30, 2011 13:44:55 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

when have YOU pulled 1k in a week EVER? yea okay.

couldn't come up with nothing else huh? so you start asking me about my sales
How are YOUR sales?

Didn't know yall had singles,let alone albums out!!! :o :o

[MikeCheck12]

Jun 30, 2011 13:28:20 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Some of these posters who get into the "stanning" are too much- I wonder if they see how humorous and ridiculous it all is.

It's borderline insanity, and rather scary. :)

[Kishi KCM]

Jun 30, 2011 13:28:20 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Some of these posters who get into the "stanning" are too much- I wonder if they see how humorous and ridiculous it all is.

Stanning is very unhealthy. I support the music I like and have my favorite artists, but I could not and would not stan.

[PDC1987]

Jun 30, 2011 11:54:41 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:49:49 GMT -5 PDC1987 said:

Critical acclaim and the Grammys aren't the same thing.

I think they go hand in hand. IMO.

The best reviewed albums of the year are rarely among the AOTY nominees. Go compare yearly nominees to year-end Metacritic lists.

[PDC1987]

Jun 30, 2011 12:14:51 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Jun 30, 2011 11:58:40 GMT -5 TGIF said:

^ not really at all actually. there were a lot of albums that got better critical reception than Teenage Dream did but were not nominated for grammy's. Grammy's put a lot of commercial reception as well

"not really at all actually" ....
The IMO in my post means IN MY OPINION. So again, in my opinion, I believe it does.
Not everything can be nominated for Grammy's. There's only five slots per category. Obviously someone's gonna be left out.

That's entirely different from the fact that the 5 best reviewed albums of the year are rarely represented among the 5 AOTY nominees.

[Deleted]

Chris,

[HolidayGuy]

Plus, we established long ago that the Grammys are not a viable measure of critical acclaim- look at the nominees from the past in the major categories and then look at which albums of a given year were the most celebrated, critically (year-end, all-time lists). At times you had a truly big critical hit being nominated and even winning, but most of the time, not the case. Safe, middle-of-the-road acts/music for most of the history. I should have a shirt made that says all of this, no?

Of Queen B's albums, DIL received the most accolades, but even at that, it was not a HUGE amount.

"Crazy in Love," though, is one of the most celebrated singles of the last decade, and, of all time.

Back to the sales- consumers, get that number above 300K.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Jun 30, 2011 14:04:20 GMT -5 PDC1987 said:

Jun 30, 2011 12:14:51 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

"not really at all actually" ....
The IMO in my post means IN MY OPINION. So again, in my opinion, I believe it does.
Not everything can be nominated for Grammy's. There's only five slots per category. Obviously someone's gonna be left out.

That's entirely different from the fact that the 5 best reviewed albums of the year are rarely represented among the 5 AOTY nominees.

I never said they were going to match completely. When I said they work hand in hand I didn't mean 100%, but to an extent they do. In many cases, they intertwine with each other.
Same thing with winning an Oscar. With it comes critical acclaim.
At the end of the day its all subjective. Critical acclaim comes from someone's opinion. Winning a Grammy comes from someone's vote that so and so was the best, to them, that year.


And for those who don't like or can't undertsand the "stanning"...in Bethanny Frankel's words: "Then go to sleep, GO TO SLEEP!"

[Deleted]

I remember the Gaga thread made it to 32 pages before an admin shut it down.

The real question I have is (now that we are on page 7), will the Beyonce thread make it to page 32 before an admin steps in?

[wavey.]

^I was just about to say that.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 30, 2011 14:20:18 GMT -5 @2m said:

I remember the Gaga thread made it to 32 pages before an admin shut it down.

The real question I have is (now that we are on page 7), will the Beyonce thread make it to page 32 before an admin steps in?

Hopefully they won't have to step in.

In a perfect Pulse world people would be happy for the success of others instead of making dumb arguments like "LOLZ SHE'S USING PROMOTION TO SELL HER ALBUM FLOPZZZ ROFLL"

It was the same odd argument in the Gaga thread.

[Jack]

I honestly don't see how 'stanning' is any scarier than 'hating'.

[popstop]

David Cook's looking at a 40K debut? I realize it's a hostile climate for pop rock, especially if you're male, but that's terribly disappointing. He's one of the best singers to appear on Idol.

And yes, I'm avoiding the train wreck of Beyonce discussion.

[Deleted]

Jun 30, 2011 14:30:27 GMT -5 Jack said:

I honestly don't see how 'stanning' is any scarier than 'hating'.

Both are moronic. Fighting "hating" with "stanning" is like fighting fire with fire, and it hardly gives stans room to take the high ground. As usual, neither side has come off looking good in this thread.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

I guess it's a good thing that looking good on Pulse isn't at the top of my bucket list.

[Deleted]

Clearly posting good looking GIFs of Beyonce isn't either.