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Post by David on Jul 7, 2011 13:13:28 GMT -5
^They probably didn't wanna go up against Beyonce.
However, I think it would have been a better week. Lloyd appeals to a similar genre, and it's not like he was gonna get #1 anyways.
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Post by starr on Jul 7, 2011 14:52:38 GMT -5
^ The focus should have been on the sales and not the chart position.
Plus Lloyd and Beyoncé both have exclusive deluxe edition CDs on sale at Target.
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Post by mew2 on Jul 7, 2011 15:56:48 GMT -5
But... but I thought this album was a 4lop??? I thought her second week sales were going to be abysmal???
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By the way, it's #1 WW with 511k.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jul 7, 2011 19:31:51 GMT -5
As expected, Beyonce gets another week at #1 with Columbia scoring the Top 2 and possibly three in the Top 5. Interscope will land three in the Top 10.
Adele, in her 20th week on the chart, will surpass the 1m digital album mark this week becoming only the second artist, and fastest, to reach that milestone.
Here's how it looks for the first chart in the second half of 2011:
Beyonce (Columbia) 110-120k Adele (XL/Columbia) 75-80k Selena Gomez & the Scene (Hollywood) 45-50k Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 40-45k Jackie Evancho (Columbia) 35-40k Bad Meets Evil (Shady/Interscope) 35-40k Jill Scott (Blues Babe/Warner Bros.) 30-35k Lady Gaga (Interscope) 30-35k Big Sean (Def Jam/IDJ) 27-30k *Lloyd (Interscope) 24-27k Justin Moore (Valory) 21-24k Bon Iver (Jagjaguwar) 18-21k Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 21-24k Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 18-21k Katy Perry (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 18-21k Pitbull (J/RMG) 18-21k
*Debut (7/7p)
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 19:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by Honeymoon on Jul 7, 2011 19:36:33 GMT -5
If Selena indeed makes 50k this week, it would only be a 36% second week drop!
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jul 7, 2011 19:37:30 GMT -5
Besides Beyonce not collapsing, I'm surprised Selena Gomez is holding on so well. :o :o
I guess Selena Gomez is winning too based on that obnoxious poster.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 7, 2011 19:37:55 GMT -5
I love how her stans are chalking up the lack of hits as part of an achievement . If she hangs towards the upper part of that estimate, this'll have a smaller drop than B'Day I think...
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 19:38:48 GMT -5
I love how her stans are chalking up the lack of hits as part of an achievement . I love how all the other girls have to run to the singles chart to show their success ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 19:41:19 GMT -5
...how is not having a hit single winning? I don't understand that logic at all. Having a #1 single is part of the success of an album campaign, not a sign of its failure. I'm sure most record labels would prefer a 207,000 opening with two #1 singles that will sell millions of copies themselves than a 310,000 opening with no hit singles. This isn't meant to start an argument, just something I've been pondering. I'm not saying Beyonce's numbers aren't impressive, because they are, but being proud of having a massive flop lead single is just another example of backwards stan wars logic.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 7, 2011 19:41:24 GMT -5
I love how her stans are chalking up the lack of hits as part of an achievement . I love how all the other girls have to run to the singles chart to show their success ;) I love how you responded so quickly that now I can quote your post and post the numbers I got from the archives, instead editing it into my previous post, thereby increasing my post count . TY boo ;). 2 COL 1 3 BEYONCE B'DAY 161,594 -70 541,196 704,751.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jul 7, 2011 19:42:58 GMT -5
I love how her stans are chalking up the lack of hits as part of an achievement . I love how all the other girls have to run to the singles chart to show their success ;) What's wrong with having massive hit singles? It's not like most of those albums were flops. They are all at different stages of their careers. I'm sure there will be a point when Rihanna, Katy etc can shift more albums. Beyonce's at a different point in her career right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 19:44:16 GMT -5
120k They said she would have a bad first week Then they said the first week didn't matter and the next weeks wouldI'm waiting on what's next.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 19:45:45 GMT -5
...how is not having a hit single winning? I don't understand that logic at all. Having a #1 single is part of the success of an album campaign, not a sign of its failure. I'm sure most record labels would prefer a 207,000 opening with two #1 singles that will sell millions of copies themselves than a 310,000 opening with no hit singles. This isn't meant to start an argument, just something I've been pondering. I'm not saying Beyonce's numbers aren't impressive, because they are, but being proud of having a massive flop lead single is just another example of backwards stan wars logic. I don't think it's celebrating the singles flopping, but the fact that she can sell big without the hits that the other girls rely on. SN: yw Glove
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 19:48:11 GMT -5
I'm sure most record labels would prefer a 207,000 opening with two #1 singles that will sell millions of copies themselves than a 310,000 opening I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 19:49:54 GMT -5
^kii I know for damn sure, they weren't happy for Katy's opening numbers. The entire industry over-predicted her sales.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 7, 2011 19:50:22 GMT -5
I'm sure most record labels would prefer a 207,000 opening with two #1 singles that will sell millions of copies themselves than a 310,000 opening I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances. Those 2 #1s probably brought in more revenue through single sales, radio airplay, and use in commercials and advertisements than the extra 120k that 4 sold though. Plus anyone who expected Katy to open up with massive numbers was a moron.
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Post by nighttime on Jul 7, 2011 19:51:03 GMT -5
I think the label would be happiest with the album that's gonna sell double the other worldwide AND have three #1's?
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Post by CammyCan on Jul 7, 2011 19:52:01 GMT -5
I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances. Those 2 #1s probably brought in more revenue through single sales, radio airplay, and use in commercials and advertisements than the extra 120k that 4 sold though. Yea, I've never understood why everyone here seems to discount (or ignore altogether) airplay so frequently. As if the huge airplay that Rihanna and Katy bring in means nothing.
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Post by davidprincess on Jul 7, 2011 19:53:34 GMT -5
yeah! good sales for Pitbull again! It looks like he is holding better than I was expecting! :) It's impressive! If this prediction is correct, his album total sales for next week would be 104,000 or more .. Incredible!! I love his consistency.
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Post by Oprah on Jul 7, 2011 19:55:35 GMT -5
I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances. It depends on how much those #1 singles sell. Given the sale of ten singles is about equal to one album, two hit singles -assuming they sell 5m combined or so - would but that album's profit margin well above the other one's. The whole 'they opened lower with hit singles!!!!' isn't meant to be so much an attack on the financial repercussions of such a situation so much as what it means about the artist. '4' probably isn't going to be very lucrative in comparison to plenty of other eras, but the fact that Beyonce can sell as much as she is without any hit singles shows she's held in pretty high regard as an artist by the general public.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 19:57:56 GMT -5
I don't think it's celebrating the singles flopping, but the fact that she can sell big without the hits that the other girls rely on. But that's more or less the same thing. People say the other girls "rely" on hits like getting hits is a bad thing. It makes it sound like the other girls get hits forced upon them while Beyonce (or whoever) piously chooses to not have hits, when it's just putting the fact that "Run The World (Girls)" was a collosal bomb on something designed to make her look good. A much better way of making someone look bad is those posters that list all the ways Gaga promoted next to Britney sat on her arse, because promo is stressful and costs money (bad) while being sat on your arse is easy (good). Having a single that people enjoy listening to and want to buy (good) versus having a single that peaked at #33 when you're one of the biggest artists in the world (bad) despite promotion (bad) is not the same thing. I get the logic, but it still seems backward. I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances. Like, are you not reading what you're typing. "I can't imagine any label being happy with two #1 singles". Really?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 19:58:07 GMT -5
HOPEFULLY It'll be her last week at Top so we can move on. Jeez.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 19:59:25 GMT -5
I really doubt that tbh.... I can't imagine any label being happy with 2 #1s singles, an extensive promo campaign and ending up with 192,000 sold the first week over 4's circumstances. Those 2 #1s probably brought in more revenue through single sales, radio airplay, and use in commercials and advertisements than the extra 120k that 4 sold though. Plus anyone who expected Katy to open up with massive numbers was a moron.I agree, which is why her label was dumb. They put all that money in her project and expected her to pull off huge numbers because of it. I think the label would be happiest with the album that's gonna sell double the other worldwide AND have three #1's? That would be true but if the label sticks to their plan of milking this era for another year and a half then there's no telling how high sales could be for this. No shade to my girl Rih, I'm just saying people kept insisting and shoving it down our throats that "4" would flop because of the lack of a hit single and that she needed them to sell like everyone else when her sales ended up even higher than who they were talking about. And it clearly goes beyond the first week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 20:00:39 GMT -5
This is her first album to have more than one week at #1, right?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 20:03:31 GMT -5
Uhh, 47,000 to 192,000 is a HUGE difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 20:04:55 GMT -5
Like, are you not reading what you're typing. "I can't imagine any label being happy with two #1 singles". Really? You left off the part about the extensive promo (arguable more than anyone else other than Gaga) and ending up with 192,000 but yes really. :) Do you think Jason Derulo's label is happy with him selling singles and not alberms, sis?
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 20:04:56 GMT -5
I get the logic, but it still seems backward. You're gay and you're talking about things being backwards? lol jkjkjk. I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 20:09:03 GMT -5
You left off the part about the extensive promo (arguable more than anyone else other than Gaga) and ending up with 192,000 but yes really. :) Do you think Jason Derulo's label is happy with him selling singles and not alberms? It might have opened to less than expected numbers, but there is no label in the world that would be disappointed with the Teenage Dream campaign. You can bet your arse Beyonce's people have panicked more about 4 more the past couple of weeks than Katy's ever have. And Jason Derulo is obviously a completely different situation.
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Post by Jack on Jul 7, 2011 20:11:00 GMT -5
^kii I know for damn sure, they weren't happy for Katy's opening numbers. The entire industry over-predicted her sales.
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