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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 21:09:19 GMT -5
Neither is Lady Gaga. Right, but she is obviously smashing in the Pop audience. And Katy & Rihanna aren't?
Do you guys even know what you're arguing about at this point? rofl
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 21:11:42 GMT -5
Right, but she is obviously smashing in the Pop audience. And Katy & Rihanna aren't?
Do you guys even know what you're arguing about at this point? rofl I do.
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Post by TGIF on Jul 7, 2011 21:24:50 GMT -5
So as Loud closes in on 5 million worldwide and Teenage Dream 4, projects like Femme Fatale and 4 should be applauded as "respected album-artist ventures from artists people care about" because they initally move a larger first-week volume in the US despite going onto runs that are clearly gonna be fractionally as successful, both in albums and singles? The importance of the first week is greatly overemphasized with A-list pop acts these days. WELL SAID. i wonder if anyone will even attempt to give you a proper response to that. i cant believe people have the nerve to discredit katy or rihanna when they are some of the biggest selling pop acts around the world right now what people seem to forget about beyonce's sales is that for the most part she is more of a local artist in comparison to others so most of her sales usually come from the US. her selling 300,000 is okay but it just makes me wonder if she only manages to sell around a million in the US, what her total worldwide sales will look like..
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 7, 2011 21:28:42 GMT -5
Beyonce is more than an adequate worldwide seller. She is in no was a 'local artist' or bear any resemblence to one. GTFO with that bullshit.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 21:31:09 GMT -5
What's a "local artist"?
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Post by Gravity. on Jul 7, 2011 21:32:23 GMT -5
Selling mostly in her home country a la Taylor, Carrie, etc.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 21:33:56 GMT -5
Local as fuq. i wonder if anyone will even attempt to give you a proper response to that. No one has responded to that because anyone with half a brain could tell that that wasn't the point of the argument/debate.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 21:34:03 GMT -5
Selling mostly in her home country a la Taylor, Carrie, etc. Hehe,i should've knew this.
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Post by nighttime on Jul 7, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5
Beyonce is a fine worldwide seller, but this project will not be surpassing the 2-3 million range. There are several indicators already which will make themselves apparent in 2-3 weeks.
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Post by mew2 on Jul 7, 2011 21:41:07 GMT -5
So as Loud closes in on 5 million worldwide and Teenage Dream 4, projects like Femme Fatale and 4 should be applauded as "respected album-artist ventures from artists people care about" because they initally move a larger first-week volume in the US despite going onto runs that are clearly gonna be fractionally as successful, both in albums and singles? The importance of the first week is greatly overemphasized with A-list pop acts these days. WELL SAID. i wonder if anyone will even attempt to give you a proper response to that. i cant believe people have the nerve to discredit katy or rihanna when they are some of the biggest selling pop acts around the world right now what people seem to forget about beyonce's sales is that for the most part she is more of a local artist in comparison to others so most of her sales usually come from the US. her selling 300,000 is okay but it just makes me wonder if she only manages to sell around a million in the US, what her total worldwide sales will look like.. i51.tinypic.com/5ohuhi.gif [/img] So much FAIL in these two posts. How can you even say that, nighttime, when Beyoncé's album has only been out for a week, and for all we know, she had a great first week and is about to have a more than decent second one? She hasn't even released the singles with the most potential yet, so WTF are you talking about? Are you clairvoyant or something? And TGIF. Dead at you stating that Beyoncé is a local artist when you stan for Katy Perry. That is the biggest NONSENSE I heard all day. She did 200k outside of the USA first week, which is much more than IASF did. Speaking of that album... like 60-70% of IASF's copies were sold outside of the USA. So please, take that ignorant rant outside of this thread or else inform yourself better. And there you have your proper response. i51.tinypic.com/21mrzon.jpg [/img]
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Post by TGIF on Jul 7, 2011 21:42:57 GMT -5
Local as fuq. not sure if that was to mean anything b/c its interesting with all that, the bulk of her WW sales still came from the US.. and then the rest mainly from the UK some b/c of the glastonbury appearance itunes album chart are not a good indicator of sales jsyk
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 7, 2011 21:44:43 GMT -5
TGIF, where the fuck are your receipts to back up your faulty claim that Beyonce is a 'local artist'? Owait...you have none, because none exist.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 21:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by David on Jul 7, 2011 21:46:05 GMT -5
Just because the bulk of your sales comes from the US does NOT mean you're "local". The US has bigger numbers than most (if not all?) other countries.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 21:47:27 GMT -5
^ DEATH @ you ignoring mew's post. Even :dead:er @ "the bulk of her WW sales still came from the US" that's for almost EVERY mainstream American act. The US is the biggest sales market, so ofc most of the sales will be from there. It doesn't matter if iTunes is a good indicator of sales. The fact that she was #1 in that many countries obliterates your weak "local" argument. You're extra floppy today, bud. Is Queen Bey even still #1 on the iTunes album chart? Does it matter when she's still #1 on the BB chart? :kii:
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Post by TGIF on Jul 7, 2011 21:49:25 GMT -5
WELL SAID. i wonder if anyone will even attempt to give you a proper response to that. i cant believe people have the nerve to discredit katy or rihanna when they are some of the biggest selling pop acts around the world right now what people seem to forget about beyonce's sales is that for the most part she is more of a local artist in comparison to others so most of her sales usually come from the US. her selling 300,000 is okay but it just makes me wonder if she only manages to sell around a million in the US, what her total worldwide sales will look like.. i51.tinypic.com/5ohuhi.gif [/img] So much FAIL in these two posts. How can you even say that, nighttime, when Beyoncé's album has only been out for a week, and for all we know, she had a great first week and is about to have a more than decent second one? She hasn't even released the singles with the most potential yet, so WTF are you talking about? Are you clairvoyant or something? And TGIF. Dead at you stating that Beyoncé is a local artist when you stan for Katy Perry. That is the biggest NONSENSE I heard all day. She did 200k outside of the USA first week, which is much more than IASF did. Speaking of that album... like 60-70% of IASF's copies were sold outside of the USA. So please, take that ignorant rant outside of this thread or else inform yourself better. And there you have your proper response. i51.tinypic.com/21mrzon.jpg [/img][/quote] what nighttime said made complete sense, the type of album that 4 is wont be that big of a seller b/c it lacks hit singles to further it like IASF had. after listening to the album idk if she has anything else to release with enough potential to be a big hit after best thing i never had.. anyways i was just commenting in response to how it seemed people were talking down Katy as if she's nothing when her era has been extremely successful, let alone Rihanna's which has been huge all over the world
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 21:49:39 GMT -5
Guys,we need to stop. We're reaching uneeded pages again:kii:
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Post by David on Jul 7, 2011 21:55:51 GMT -5
Katy is definitely having a great era. Which is good, since I think its gonna be her last. She relies too much on gimmicky. Every single has some sort of gimmick to it. Unless of course, she can come up with better gimmicks next era. I just don't see her topping this era at all, and having a quick fall into irrelevance.
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Post by R.K. on Jul 7, 2011 21:57:01 GMT -5
after listening to the album idk if she has anything else to release with enough potential to be a big hit after best thing i never had.. FalseCountdown and End of Time both have more hit potential than Best Thing I Never Had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 21:57:09 GMT -5
Mew. Nighttime, you know I love you but you really can't say stuff like eras are going to be fractionally less successful when we're barely 2 weeks in, bb. I wasn't expecting crazy numbers for this album initially but the hold she's set to have is amazing and regardless of how "commercial" the album may be, it's still to premature to count it out. TGIF, what criteria exactly are you using to say Bey isn't a WW act? Because her tours sell out all over the world. She has dates overseas where there's over 100k people where most popstars simply cannot do. All her albums have been amazing WW sellers. I mean really?
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Post by R.K. on Jul 7, 2011 22:02:10 GMT -5
Didn't TGIF say Beyonce only sold well WW because she was on Glastonbury and then edited his/her post?
Well sorry, it's not her fault that her status is huge enough for her to become the first female artist to headline for Glastonbury, that alone is an achievement. #winning
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 7, 2011 22:02:26 GMT -5
Katy is definitely having a great era. Which is good, since I think its gonna be her last. She relies too much on gimmicky. Every single has some sort of gimmick to it. Unless of course, she can come up with better gimmicks next era. I just don't see her topping this era at all, and having a quick fall into irrelevance. Yea she def has some cute songs, but I don't see her lasting too far into 2012. She'll just be another name Beyonce crosses off her hitlist.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 7, 2011 22:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by mew2 on Jul 7, 2011 22:03:45 GMT -5
[/img] So much FAIL in these two posts. How can you even say that, nighttime, when Beyoncé's album has only been out for a week, and for all we know, she had a great first week and is about to have a more than decent second one? She hasn't even released the singles with the most potential yet, so WTF are you talking about? Are you clairvoyant or something? And TGIF. Dead at you stating that Beyoncé is a local artist when you stan for Katy Perry. That is the biggest NONSENSE I heard all day. She did 200k outside of the USA first week, which is much more than IASF did. Speaking of that album... like 60-70% of IASF's copies were sold outside of the USA. So please, take that ignorant rant outside of this thread or else inform yourself better. And there you have your proper response. i51.tinypic.com/21mrzon.jpg [/img][/quote] what nighttime said made complete sense, the type of album that 4 is wont be that big of a seller b/c it lacks hit singles to further it like IASF had. after listening to the album idk if she has anything else to release with enough potential to be a big hit after best thing i never had..
anyways i was just commenting in response to how it seemed people were talking down Katy as if she's nothing when her era has been extremely successful, let alone Rihanna's which has been huge all over the world[/quote] Exactly. You don't know. No one knows how her next singles will fare. Until she succeeds/flops with them, we know NOTHING. So please, stop with that nonsense. Oh, and no one is trying to downplay Katy's successful era, just her initial sales. Read again.
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Post by Eqbk on Jul 7, 2011 22:12:31 GMT -5
4 is doing fine worldwide. The album has debuted high on most of the biggest music markets. The lowest debut in a major music market is Japan, which is pretty understandable. Even so, it's managed to debut top 10 there.
4 debuts for major music markets: US: #1 UK: #1 Spain: #1 France: #2 Australia: #2 Netherlands: #2 Canada: #3 Germany: #5 Japan: #10
*Data for Italy, a major music market, is not available yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 22:12:46 GMT -5
what nighttime said made complete sense, the type of album that 4 is wont be that big of a seller b/c it lacks hit singles to further it like IASF had. after listening to the album idk if she has anything else to release with enough potential to be a big hit after best thing i never had..
anyways i was just commenting in response to how it seemed people were talking down Katy as if she's nothing when her era has been extremely successful, let alone Rihanna's which has been huge all over the worldExactly. You don't know. No one knows how her next singles will fare. Until she succeeds/flops with them, we know NOTHING. So please, stop with that nonsense. Oh, and no one is trying to downplay Katy's successful era, just her initial sales. Read again.Ty. At least I know someone got my point. Now continue reading the gerls downE. It's giving me life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 22:42:45 GMT -5
OMG, mew.
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Post by jgizzle89 on Jul 7, 2011 23:51:44 GMT -5
Pretty sure IASF sold over 6million WW and 3 million US. That makes Beyonce successful worldwide.
She'll be at over 1mil worldwide by week 3.
And these numbers all come from mediatraffic, which is known to severely underestimate worldwide sales.
Oh, and this gif war is getting out of hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 0:43:16 GMT -5
Thank you! And Beyonce can't win with some people.
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Post by I Wish on Jul 8, 2011 1:24:24 GMT -5
Beyonce (Columbia) 110-120k Adele (XL/Columbia) 75-80k Selena Gomez & the Scene (Hollywood) 45-50kJason Aldean (Broken Bow) 40-45k Jackie Evancho (Columbia) 35-40k O.M.G.
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