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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 23, 2011 23:41:08 GMT -5
]As mentioned there wasn't a large volume of work, I would put her long term impact, given her music output and genre on the same footing as Aaliyah No.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 23, 2011 23:42:16 GMT -5
It disgusts me to see people feeling sorry for her when she killed her self. I never feel bad for anyone (friends, family, celebrities, etc) who die from killing themselves, drugs, drunk driving etc. I care about the people who died from REAL reasons. She has so many people around her that cared about her, and she still did foolish things. I don't want to hear the excuses..it's hard to quit, etc. etc. I know all about it, and I know plenty of people who have died from drugs in the past. Every situation is different, yes, but still, I will never feel sorry for someone who keeps doing the wrong thing when she has money to help her, support of fans, friends, family. All these celelbrities are so upset and hurt but they were not doing anything for her when she was alive? Anyways. She was a good artist though. Not my favorite, but I respect the work she did. It was unique, fresh, interesting, etc. I mean this in all seriousness; get off the high horse before it kicks you off.
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Post by DJ General on Jul 23, 2011 23:44:43 GMT -5
LOL people in here are so delusional. Supporting someone who did drugs? disgusting.
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Post by DJ General on Jul 23, 2011 23:52:09 GMT -5
Aaliyah was a beautiful angel who lost her life due to a tragedy.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 23, 2011 23:54:10 GMT -5
When did Aaliyah have an album sell 10 million, despite a declining market no less, and have an album rack up that level of acclaim and have that level of impact? Amy's debut then did 500,000 in the US when it was released here just on the back of the goodwill generated by BTB. LOL people in here are so delusional. Supporting someone who did drugs? disgusting. To a point I agree. This is a reckless celebrity with one major album, people in this thread are treating this like their favorite Aunt just died. I don't think they are delusional though, people have a right to show emotion over it if they choose to.Right, so let us be and kindly exit the thread.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 23, 2011 23:55:17 GMT -5
LOL people in here are so delusional. Supporting someone who did drugs? disgusting. Again, get off the high horse before it kicks you off.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 23, 2011 23:57:50 GMT -5
Aaliyah was a beautiful angel who lost her life due to a tragedy. Didn't she knowingly get on a plane that was overloaded past capacity with a pilot who was tipsy? I guess she got what was coming to her too. I can't believe you're supporting someone who did that. Delusional.
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Post by Oprah on Jul 24, 2011 0:01:01 GMT -5
LOL people in here are so delusional. Supporting someone who did drugs? disgusting. To a point I agree. This is a reckless celebrity with one major album, people in this thread are treating this like their favorite Aunt just died. I don't think they are delusional though, people have a right to show emotion over it if they choose to. ...the fuck? No one here is acting as if their aunt died, they're offering condolences to a dead musician. And really, who are you to say whether their grief is at a proper level? Not to mention dogging her for being an addict, as if that makes her passing less worthy of being mourned. As for the Aaliyah comment, it's fairly obvious Amy made a bigger mark than her.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 24, 2011 0:01:03 GMT -5
When did Amy Winehouse have an album sell 10 million? Back to Black was at 2.3 million? Don't make me slap you.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jul 24, 2011 0:02:26 GMT -5
Right, so let us be and kindly exit the thread. LOL - no Find then. Keep being pompous and disrespectful.
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Post by lugus15 on Jul 24, 2011 2:03:58 GMT -5
Her death, as unfortunate as it is.... isn't really shocking.
The sad part, is that I have a very strong suspicion that Lindsay will follow her sooner rather than later.
Thank God Britney seems to be out the hardcore trouble she found herself into 3-4 years ago.
And, last but not least, the case of GaGa is another one to watch.... however, I do think that in her case her addiction (her drug if you will) is her persona and her fame. And that is somewhat harmless.....
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Post by David on Jul 24, 2011 2:09:15 GMT -5
Lmao @ those people living anywhere but thinking their sales matter.
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Post by R.K. on Jul 24, 2011 2:12:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Stefani is a heavy pot user, and at least used to, do other drugs.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 24, 2011 2:23:09 GMT -5
Such a shame to hear this. I was shocked, but not surprised if that makes any sense. RIP Amy.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 24, 2011 5:12:29 GMT -5
I wasn't going to dignify some of these posts with a response, but a couple of you here are just repulsive. A 27 year-old dying isn't worth the bother because her sales aren't as big as other artists who died at her age? I genuinely hope you end up knowing somebody who goes through addiction. Might just give you the kick up the arse you clearly need. Jesus.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Jul 24, 2011 5:25:50 GMT -5
I wasn't going to dignify some of these posts with a response, but a couple of you here are just repulsive. A 27 year-old dying isn't worth the bother because her sales aren't as big as other artists who died at her age? I genuinely hope you end up knowing somebody who goes through addiction. Might just give you the kick up the arse you clearly need. Jesus. Thank you! It's sad (but not surprising) that some people here have to turn every thread into shitshow pissing match about how artist x compares to y even in such circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 5:35:15 GMT -5
I cannot believe some people in this thread. Disgusting.
RIP Amy, such a tragedy.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 24, 2011 7:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jul 24, 2011 8:06:54 GMT -5
A huge loss and very sad. Her music will live forever.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jul 24, 2011 8:07:39 GMT -5
I cannot believe some people in this thread. Disgusting. RIP Amy, such a tragedy. The world is filled with heartless and tacky people. I imagine they would take it hard if someone said the same things about one of their loved ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 11:40:31 GMT -5
I cannot believe some people in this thread. Disgusting. RIP Amy, such a tragedy.
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Post by spongebob on Jul 24, 2011 11:44:07 GMT -5
I cannot believe some people in this thread. Disgusting. RIP Amy, such a tragedy.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 24, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -5
She was reckless and didn't care, she even wrote about it in her songs Line 1 of Rehab: Rehab lyrics Songwriters: Winehouse, Amy; They tried to make me go to rehab, I said, "No, no, no" If you thought the song was about her being wreckless and not caring, you have no idea what the song was about. If you tell pretty much ANYONE that has an addiction to anything life threatening, gambling, sex addict, gaming, etc. The first step to fixing it is admitting it. Before admitting it, there's denial. This song was written from the perspective of someone (likely herself) while in the denial stage. She doesn't think she needs rehab and can fix the problems by herself. It always bugs me when people think the song is a bad influence on addicts or people say the song was her being irresponsible. It wasn't at all. It's simply a song from a specific perspective in a chain from getting an addiction and having it fixed.
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Post by jams on Jul 24, 2011 12:08:49 GMT -5
It is sad whenever someone is so self-destructive and can not stop their behavior. Addiction is awful and she was very young, and still at an age when many do wreckless things and learn later it was bad.
Having said that, I really am not surprised that this happened. The fact she sang a song talking about not wanting to go to Rehab was pretty telling, and so was a lot of her other behavior. Kind of like how Lindsey constantly feels above all help, and is self-destructive in many ways.
I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I never got what was so special about her as an artist. Her music and singing did not deserve the Grammy she got IMO. But that is just my opinion. I think she was extremely overrated musically, and never got the excitement over her.
I also found her attitude and behavior disgusting and obnoxious, but then again, that is what may addicts are like until they finally come to terms with their addictions.
It's just too bad she died before she could finally beat her problems, she was still very young could have had a good life and career.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 24, 2011 12:10:18 GMT -5
I love Aaliyah and her untimely death was just as tragic, but her musical output reached nowhere near the impact, acclaim as Winehouse's (admittedly short) catalog did. And I'm not even talking about sales but Back to Black was a massively influential album. Adele and Duffy for example have a great debt to Winehouse Yeah, but none of these artists you're mentioned (maybe even including Amy herself) made the level of impact bands that are influenced by The Doors or Nirvana did, and I'm not even counting what Th Doors and Nirvana had contributed to music directly when they were active. Why does it matter that her sales and success didn't match theirs? Now she doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as them? It's a stupid thing to have matter. She definitely had an impact on music, whether it will be long lasting or not, nobody knows but she had an impact and that's all that matters for this. Otherwise, it's a trivial thing to talk about and yet such a very Pulse-thing to do. Compare singers based on their sales and airplay. Not to mention a lot of artists who die young don't get their due until after they've passed.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 24, 2011 12:14:17 GMT -5
When did Amy Winehouse have an album sell 10 million? Back to Black was at 2.3 million? The other acts in the '27 Club' spent years on the catalog chart. Also they were all rock acts. There hasn't beena lot of interest in Back to Black since 2008, there certainly will be now and for the next week or two but after that, things should return to normal. The other acts in the '27 Club' have been dead for decades, giving them the change to spend years on the catalogue chart. People have been waiting years for Amy to followup that album. Now they'll likely never get a proper followup unless she's been secretly recording. Being dead means you've been immortalized and she may have that happen to her. It gives people a new appreciation of her. She may not have spent years on the catalogue charts but that isn't to say it can't ever happen.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 24, 2011 12:15:14 GMT -5
Right, so let us be and kindly exit the thread. LOL - no I'd love to know what you gain personally by continuing to post in a thread you feel so little about and find so unnecessary. And why it's so worthy of an "lol"--like it's so obvious that you should stay?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 24, 2011 12:15:33 GMT -5
...the f**k? No one here is acting as if their aunt died, they're offering condolences to a dead musician. And really, who are you to say whether their grief is at a proper level? Not to mention dogging her for being an addict, as if that makes her passing less worthy of being mourned. I said people have the right to show whatever emotion they want - INCLUDING not showing emotion at all Most people show no emotion by not saying anything. You're being borderline rude and risrespectful... though sadly not the worst case in this topic.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 24, 2011 12:33:20 GMT -5
Just read pages 3 and 4....
Didn't Janis Joplin release 2 albums before her death? One of them being a live album. Nirvana put out 4 albums before Kurt died. Amy released 2 full albums, lengthy B-sides to both of them and made many a-guest appearance with Mark Ronson, Ghostface Killah, etc. Rumor had it that her next album is more-or-less finshed but they were waiting to put it out until she was out of rehab...meaning we're probably getting it in some form sometime in the near-future.
Back To Black sold over 10 million albums worldwide, won 5 Grammys and introduced a wave of successful female british singers like Duffy, Estelle and Adele.
I'm not going to say she'll be respected in the same vein as Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix but I don't think we have any perspective on the matter, as she died yesterday. I do think BTB will be remembered as one of the greatest albums of the 00s.
All of this being said, R.I.P. What happened to/surrounding Amy was not unexpected but is still sad and unfortunate. She was a fantastic talent and, from what I gather from tweets of those who knew her, a great person.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 24, 2011 12:35:22 GMT -5
Amy Winehouse is not of the same caliber as the others in the'27 club' though. There will obviously be a short term spike in her sales but you won't see people 20 years from now lining up to buy Amy Winehouse albums in tHe same way as Janis Jopin or The Doors or Nirvana Who is lining up to buy their albums? The Aaliyah comparison is laughable.
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