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Post by Push The Button on Aug 5, 2011 10:58:18 GMT -5
And she appeals to a much larger voting base than Kanye.
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Post by badrobot on Aug 5, 2011 11:15:43 GMT -5
...And Adele has a better album.
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Post by Arabella21 on Aug 5, 2011 11:31:08 GMT -5
The Tony Bennett duets album is beating Adele AND Kanye...  Greyson Chance...as if the Idol stint didn't prove that Ellen had no business being in the music business... |
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Post by like2throw on Aug 5, 2011 11:52:01 GMT -5
...And Adele has a better album. not even close. Fantasy is head and shoulders better than 21 when looking from an artistic and consistency standpoint. I have a big feeling if tony bennett gets nominated for AOTY, its going to split votes with 21. |
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Post by vantiboy3 on Aug 5, 2011 12:10:58 GMT -5
ouch @ Kelly Rowland!! It is Ms Kelly all over again!
And with all the politics and unhappiness going on in and around the Grammies, there is NO WAY Adele wont win Album of the Year. Last year many were furious that OBVIOUS titles lost out to nominations and wins. I have read so many articles that the Recording Academy has replied on, citing that more transparency will prevail from now on, hence the cutting of Gender based categories this year.
Grammy Popularity will be the norm this year. So brace yourselfves. Critically acclaimed titles will for the first time have to battle it out with the Popular titles.
The days when Critically acclaimed albums ruled ALBUM and RECORD OF THE YEAR are gone!!
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Post by badrobot on Aug 5, 2011 12:14:32 GMT -5
I disagree. Kanye's album is more innovative, certainly, but I think it's quite overrated, and much prefer his "808s & Heartbreak" album. Adele just nails it in terms of solid songwriting, performance, and emotion.
Although I wouldn't pick either of them as the best of the year personally. (My choice, so far, would be the full-length verison of Robyn's "Body Talk," but that won't even be nominated.)
Honestly though the Grammys, to me, do a consistently horrible job of honoring the best, and music is so subjective that it's kind of foolish to even try. The one good thing about them is when they manage to give some exposure to lesser-known artists who might otherwise go unheard by the general public.
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Post by like2throw on Aug 5, 2011 12:15:18 GMT -5
ouch @ Kelly Rowland!! It is Ms Kelly all over again! And with all the politics and unhappiness going on in and around the Grammies, there is NO WAY Adele wont win Album of the Year. Last year many were furious that OBVIOUS titles lost out to nominations and wins. I have read so many articles that the Recording Academy has replied on, citing that more transparency will prevail from now on, hence the cutting of Gender based categories this year. Grammy Popularity will be the norm this year. So brace yourselfves. Critically acclaimed titles will for the first time have to battle it out with the Popular titles. The days when Critically acclaimed albums ruled ALBUM and RECORD OF THE YEAR are gone!! this aint new type of deal...look at the 2003 nominees, look at 2009...its not a new occurrence. You dont know what the grammy committee will pull. They could easily revert back, or they could stay commercial. And if those days are gone, explain to me the Arcade Fire win last year. |
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Post by vantiboy3 on Aug 5, 2011 12:28:16 GMT -5
did i not say "from now on"? Hence everything "after the Arcade Fire win".
That is just the impression i was getting from the whole discussions after the Grammys last year. I will post most of them later. What i gathered was that many felt is was unfair that popular, chart topping titles lose out to make way for the critics choice. All these artists put a lot of hard work into their craft, so all work should be considered and rewarded. That is at least what a few Management guys said.
And i seriously doubt Kanye will get nominated for Album of the Year. He has one of the best albums yes, but its Aug 2011. The album hasn't had ANY buzz for months, actually only when it dropped.
I do hope Kanye gets it though. HipHop needs to be recognized when it is due.
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Post by DJ General on Aug 5, 2011 12:53:32 GMT -5
Tha Carter III barely cracked 1 million with bigger hits than the current album Hits don't always equal sales. Wayne has a very loyal fan base. This album is extremely anticipated. "How To Love" also will not peak by the time the album comes out. It has a high bullet still on CHR and other formats. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 13:11:52 GMT -5
Never said it wouldn't do well, just sayin it won't hit 1 million in its first week
Unless of course there is a 99 cent sale or something
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Post by David on Aug 5, 2011 13:29:39 GMT -5
Wayne felt MUCH bigger back when The Carter III came out. I don't see him cracking 1 mill this time. However, I could easily be wrong.
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Post by nightshade on Aug 5, 2011 13:31:41 GMT -5
Never said it wouldn't do well, just sayin it won't hit 1 million in its first week Unless of course there is a 99 cent sale or something I doubt that many people would pay 99¢ for a Lil Wayne album now. There's a reason people purchased GaGa's album even though it was only 99¢.  |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 5, 2011 13:48:13 GMT -5
Kanye's album is more innovative, certainly, but I think it's quite overrated, and much prefer his "808s & Heartbreak" album. Although I wouldn't pick either of them as the best of the year personally. (My choice, so far, would be the full-length verison of Robyn's "Body Talk," but that won't even be nominated.) I agree totally... In addition to Robyn, my favourites are Bon Iver and PJ Harvey's latest. I hope they'll be recognised. But I think the only question is how many awards Adele will get. |
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Post by jgizzle89 on Aug 5, 2011 14:09:02 GMT -5
...And Adele has a better album. that's not what the critics say. i think we all know that album sales don't necessarily mean a better album. |
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Post by jgizzle89 on Aug 5, 2011 14:19:58 GMT -5
BODY TALK? You can't be serious. It's certainly a good album, but no where near deserving of AOTY.
Also, I hope Cee Lo doesn't get left out, but he will.
Jay/Kanye may get a nod for "watch the throne"
wayne may get one for C4.
beyonce...probably not
definitely not taylor swift
not sure if rihanna qualifies, i forget her release date...
regardless, to NOT nominate MBDTF would be like not nominating a movie like "The Hurt Locker" for the Oscars. doesn't matter if kanye loses, but to not nominate an album that was the DEFINITION of universal acclaim (and, if you correlate critical praise with album sales, certainly extraordinary) would, in my mind, strike a huge blow to any credibility that the Grammy's have left.
sorry for that messy post lol.
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Post by jgizzle89 on Aug 5, 2011 14:26:25 GMT -5
I disagree. Kanye's album is more innovative, certainly, but I think it's quite overrated, and much prefer his "808s & Heartbreak" album. Adele just nails it in terms of solid songwriting, performance, and emotion. Although I wouldn't pick either of them as the best of the year personally. (My choice, so far, would be the full-length verison of Robyn's "Body Talk," but that won't even be nominated.) Honestly though the Grammys, to me, do a consistently horrible job of honoring the best, and music is so subjective that it's kind of foolish to even try. The one good thing about them is when they manage to give some exposure to lesser-known artists who might otherwise go unheard by the general public. i agree that the Grammy's have been really bad recently about honoring the best albums. what i take issue with here is that your talk about adele's songwriting, performance, and emotion seems to imply that those are qualities that kanye doesn't have. he is known for his songwriting, emotion, and performance. his songwriting probably being the weakest of the three, but still top-tier. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 14:29:46 GMT -5
Never said it wouldn't do well, just sayin it won't hit 1 million in its first week Unless of course there is a 99 cent sale or something I doubt that many people would pay 99¢ for a Lil Wayne album now. There's a reason people purchased GaGa's album even though it was only 99¢. Meaning unless there are unforeseen market forces are work such as a 99 cent Sale, the buzz on this album will need to be Bigger than last album to crack 1 million. The. Last album barely got there as it was. |
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Post by badrobot on Aug 5, 2011 15:01:23 GMT -5
I disagree. Kanye's album is more innovative, certainly, but I think it's quite overrated, and much prefer his "808s & Heartbreak" album. Adele just nails it in terms of solid songwriting, performance, and emotion. Although I wouldn't pick either of them as the best of the year personally. (My choice, so far, would be the full-length verison of Robyn's "Body Talk," but that won't even be nominated.) Honestly though the Grammys, to me, do a consistently horrible job of honoring the best, and music is so subjective that it's kind of foolish to even try. The one good thing about them is when they manage to give some exposure to lesser-known artists who might otherwise go unheard by the general public. i agree that the Grammy's have been really bad recently about honoring the best albums. what i take issue with here is that your talk about adele's songwriting, performance, and emotion seems to imply that those are qualities that kanye doesn't have. he is known for his songwriting, emotion, and performance. his songwriting probably being the weakest of the three, but still top-tier. I don't think complimenting Adele somehow implies negatives about Kanye. Look, I like both, but if you are going to pick one being better, I pick Adele. You can have a grade A album and a grade A+ album side by side, and saying the A+ one is the best doesn't suddenly make the A album into an F. I personally think "music critics" as a whole should be mostly ignored. There is just far too much subjectivity in music taste. |
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Post by cking33 on Aug 5, 2011 15:09:30 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, if Adele beats out Kanye's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" for best album at the grammy's, then I quit. I know there are a lot of politics that are involved in deciding album of the year, but lets just look at this: Adele's "21" (34 Critics) www.metacritic.com/music/21(76/100) Kanye's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" (43 Critics) www.metacritic.com/music/my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy(94/100) IT'S LIKE THE BEST REVIEWED ALBUM OF ALL TIME...OF ALL TIME. haha. But, I'm sure it will get snubbed because Adele has a good voice and sold more albums. Simple as that. If Adele gets snubbed, it won't be for Kanye, it'll be for somebody like Bon Iver or Fleetfoxes. |
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 5, 2011 15:25:10 GMT -5
Great for Adele, Lady Gaga & Mumford & Sons.
BTW, I don't think VMA nominations are selling any albums. Adele & Mumford are continually selling because of unbelievable word of mouth.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 5, 2011 15:27:36 GMT -5
Also. Kanye's album, IMO (and a lot of other people's) is like WAY WAY better than Adele's. But I think Adele should win. Her impact this year was incredible. She sounds like no one else on Top 40 radio but her album and single are absolutely EVERYWHERE. In terms of cultural impact, Adele takes it. And it's not like 21 isn't pretty great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 20:46:24 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, if Adele beats out Kanye's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" for best album at the grammy's, then I quit. I know there are a lot of politics that are involved in deciding album of the year, but lets just look at this: Adele's "21" (34 Critics) www.metacritic.com/music/21(76/100) Kanye's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" (43 Critics) www.metacritic.com/music/my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy(94/100) IT'S LIKE THE BEST REVIEWED ALBUM OF ALL TIME...OF ALL TIME. haha. But, I'm sure it will get snubbed because Adele has a good voice and sold more albums. Simple as that. It's the Grammys -- anything, and I mean anything, can happen with the outcomes. |
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 5, 2011 21:28:01 GMT -5
The last several years, the nominee with the highest metacritic score has won. Of course, this could change this year.
I don't believe that a rap album has ever won an Album of the Year trophy. This needs to be fixed.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 5, 2011 21:39:18 GMT -5
Been bad "recently"? Check out the history of nominees and/.or winners in some years- albums that were the furthest thing from being critical hits. But, the word "best' is not in the major album category (or record). It is for vocal categories, but even those categories have shown that it's not always about the vocals, per se.
Anyhow, Adele should fare very well at the Grannys- big success, plus desirable to the voting body. The fact that it's a decent album is only gravy, in terms of NARAS.
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Post by like2throw on Aug 6, 2011 1:18:02 GMT -5
The last several years, the nominee with the highest metacritic score has won. Of course, this could change this year. I don't believe that a rap album has ever won an Album of the Year trophy. This needs to be fixed. Outkast won AOTY in 2004 |
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 6, 2011 21:07:26 GMT -5
The last several years, the nominee with the highest metacritic score has won. Of course, this could change this year. I don't believe that a rap album has ever won an Album of the Year trophy. This needs to be fixed. Outkast won AOTY in 2004 Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It's been seven years. We're due. Yeezy can go right on ahead. I fully expect Adele to take it, though. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 8, 2011 9:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by microcuts on Aug 8, 2011 13:53:47 GMT -5
Also. Kanye's album, IMO (and a lot of other people's) is like WAY WAY better than Adele's. But I think Adele should win. Her impact this year was incredible. She sounds like no one else on Top 40 radio but her album and single are absolutely EVERYWHERE. In terms of cultural impact, Adele takes it. And it's not like 21 isn't pretty great. I largely agree. But Kanye really needs to win that he can give a 10-minute "acceptance speech" about how much he's disrespected and misunderstood.  |
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Post by kingofpain on Aug 8, 2011 13:55:01 GMT -5
I thought Arcade Fire came out on top? Or did it never hit #1?
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