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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 15, 2011 16:44:17 GMT -5
The Hot 100 stopped using small market non BDS stations 3 years ago. Ohhh really? Is there an article on this? I want to know what their logic was. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 15, 2011 16:49:05 GMT -5
technically speaking it's a good site in theory but the execution is bad IMO. Yeah, I think the idea of the site is fantastic. But, it's just horribly ran. The charts update much later than they used to, the Launch thing on the side is incredibly annoying, and the historical chart data is messed up. Also don't forget the spam on the comments section. Execution is everything. The launch thing is annoying. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 15, 2011 19:33:19 GMT -5
AdJan- like I said, the number of small-market stations that BDS did not monitor was a small amount, anyhow. When Billboard made the big chart change in December 1998, the number of small-market stations stood at just 23. BB also mentioned that prior to December 1998, small-market stations accounted for 10% of a single's total points (which, of course, would differ from track to track)l, but as of December 1998, it was just 5%. Before BB dropped any remaining small-market, non-BDS-monitored stations, I think the count was down to a handful or so.
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Post by jebsib on Aug 15, 2011 22:13:58 GMT -5
They dropped the small market stations on Aug 11, 2007 when they added streaming and changed the sales divider. The article appeared in the issue before the change.
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Post by Carlitoz on Aug 15, 2011 22:24:10 GMT -5
The only thing I use Billboard for anymore is to get the Top 10 for previous weeks, but even then it's more useful to just use other sites that have the full Top 100 archived. Which site do you use for the Top 100 archived? |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 15, 2011 22:42:17 GMT -5
There was an article in the 8/4/07 Billboard (Over the Counter section) announcing that streaming would contribute to the chart starting with 8/11/07, but there was no mention of small-market radio stations- just that the Hot 100 Airplay pnel was expanding by some 250 stations to include all currents-based stations that BDS monitored.
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hart Highlights offers a sneak peek at a select group of Billboard charts every Monday. Find out the top songs, Greatest Gainers and debuts on the surveys listed below.
All our charts are refreshed on billboard.com every Thursday.
Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" Katy Perry
Greatest Gainer No. 18 "Cheers (Drink To That)" Rihanna
Debut No. 34 "In The Dark" Dev
Debut No. 35 "You And I" Lady Gaga
Debut No. 36 "Faster" Matt Nathanson
Debut No. 38 "Someone Like You" Adele
Debut No. 39 "On My Mind" Cody Simpson
Adult Contemporary
*** No. 1 *** "Rolling In The Deep" Adele
Greatest Gainer No. 9 "If I Die Young" The Band Perry
Debut No. 27 "Moves Like Jagger" Maroon 5 Featuring Christina Aguilera
Adult Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Good Life" OneRepublic
Greatest Gainer No. 5 "If I Die Young" The Band Perry
Debut No. 36 "The Adventures Of Rain Dance Maggie" Red Hot Chili Peppers
Debut No. 37 "Drown" Carolina Liar
Debut No. 39 "Skyscraper" Demi Lovato
Dance/Club Play Songs
Greatest Gainer/*** No. 1 *** "I Wanna Go" Britney Spears
Hot Shot Debut No. 39 "Tonite" Nicola Fasano Featuring Kat Deluna
Debut No. 46 "Mediate" INXS Featuring Tricky
Debut No. 48 "Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Fame" Black Cards
Debut No. 49 "Super Bass" Nicki Minaj
Rap Songs
*** No. 1 *** "I'm On One" DJ Khaled Featuring Drake, Rick Ross & Lil Wayne
Greatest Gainer No. 11 "Headlines" Drake
Debut No. 23 "Ima Boss" Meek Mill Featuring Rick Ross
Debut No. 25 "Body 2 Body" Ace Hood Featuring Chris Brown
Rock Songs
*** No. 1 *** "The Adventures Of Rain Dance Maggie" Red Hot Chili Peppers
Greatest Gainer/Hot Shot Debut No. 32 "What You Want" Evanescence
Debut No. 47 "Junk Of The Heart (Happy)" The Kooks
Debut No. 49 "It's Not Me It's You" Skillet
Debut No. 50 "Dark Horses" Switchfoot
Alternative Songs
*** No. 1 *** "The Adventures Of Rain Dance Maggie" Red Hot Chili Peppers
Greatest Gainer No. 16 "Irresistible Force" Jane's Addiction
Debut No. 35 "What You Want" Evanescence
Country Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Just A Kiss" Lady Antebellum
Greatest Gainer No. 24 "Baggage Claim" Miranda Lambert
Hot Shot Debut No. 48 "Second Hand Heart" Danny Gokey
Debut No. 57 "Drink In My Hand" Eric Church
Debut No. 58 "Let Me Go" Christian Kane
Debut No. 59 "Tattoos On This Town" Jason Aldean
Debut No. 60 "Maybe Tonight" Margaret Durante
Latin Songs
Greatest Gainer/*** No. 1 *** "Amor Clandestino" Mana
Hot Shot Debut No. 34 "Enhorabuena" Fidel Rueda
Debut No. 43 "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" Katy Perry
Debut No. 44 "El Mil Amores" Pesado
Debut No. 47 "La Luna" Saul "El Jaguar" Alarcon
Debut No. 49 "Bla Bla Bla" El Potro Alvarez Featuring Chino Y Nacho
Debut No. 50 "No La Voy A Enganar" El Trono de Mexico
Regional Mexican Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Di Que Regresaras" La Original Banda el Limon de Salvador Lizarraga
Greatest Gainer No. 17 "Enhorabuena" Fidel Rueda
Debut No. 31 "Ella Es Mi Mujer" Jorge Santacruz
Debut No. 40 "Digale" Los Reyes de Arranque
Latin Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Amor Clandestino" Mana
Greatest Gainer No. 10 "Rain Over Me" Pitbull Featuring Marc Anthony
Debut No. 35 "I Wanna Go" Britney Spears
Tropical Songs
Greatest Gainer/*** No. 1 *** "Amor Clandestino" Mana
Debut No. 37 "Es Cosas De El" Miriam Cruz
Debut No. 39 "Mia" Jan
Christian Songs
*** No. 1 *** "The Way" Jeremy Camp
Greatest Gainer/Hot Shot Debut No. 36 "Can't Get Over You" Anthem Lights
Debut No. 37 "Allelujah" The Museum
Debut No. 38 "Courageous" Casting Crowns
Gospel Songs
*** No. 1 *** "I Smile" Kirk Franklin
Greatest Gainer/Debut No. 25 "I Won't Go Back" William McDowell
Debut No. 27 "One More Time" Zacardi Cortez Featuring John P. Kee
Debut No. 29 "Survive" Mary Mary
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 16, 2011 0:00:29 GMT -5
Katy Perry must have gotten stuck at #2 because the record company discounted LFN original to 69 cents. I knew LFN wouldn't get #1 this week. FUCK FUCK FUCK!
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 16, 2011 0:31:36 GMT -5
Oh, wellllllllll
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 16, 2011 5:32:28 GMT -5
8/16 airplay updates:[/u] 1. KATY PERRY - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.): 146.894 (+ 0.006) 2. LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 135.068 (- 1.054) 3. NICKI MINAJ - Super Bass: 126.929 (+ 0.975) 4. PITBULL - Give Me Everything f/Ne-Yo: 115.133 (- 0.779) 5. LIL WAYNE - How To Love: 113.525 (+ 0.365) 6. ADELE - Rolling In The Deep: 99.055 (- 1.650) 7. BRITNEY SPEARS - I Wanna Go: 94.502 (+ 0.853) 8. ONEREPUBLIC - Good Life: 89.575 (+ 0.978) 9. LADY GAGA - The Edge Of Glory: 86.500 (- 0.448) 10. BAD MEETS EVIL - Lighters f/Bruno Mars: 83.224 (+ 0.989) 11. HOT CHELLE RAE - Tonight Tonight: 72.508 (+ 0.693) 12. DJ KHALED - I'm On One f/Drake, Rick Ross: 70.584 (- 0.398) 13. KELLY ROWLAND - Motivation f/Lil Wayne: 65.615 (- 0.318) 14. THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 65.601 (+ 0.996) 15. CHRIS BROWN - She Ain't You: 58.474 (+ 0.213) 16. BEYONCE - Best Thing I Never Had: 57.050 (- 0.323) 17. LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 56.379 (- 0.465) 18. BLACK EYED PEAS - Just Can't Get Enough: 54.976 (- 0.932) 19. DIERKS BENTLEY - Am I The Only One: 49.982 (+ 0.181) 20. BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Remind Me: 48.520 (+ 0.229) ▲ ZAC BROWN BAND - Knee Deep f/Jimmy Buffett: 48.314 (- 0.780) ▼ BIG SEAN - My Last f/Chris Brown: 47.753 (+ 0.046) LUKE BRYAN - Country Girl (Shake It For Me): 46.847 (- 0.013) LUPE FIASCO - Out Of My Head f/Trey Songz: 46.511 (+ 0.382) MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 46.275 (+ 1.812)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Pumped Up Kicks: 43.304 (+ 1.234)
RIHANNA - Cheers (Drink To That): 39.363 (+ 1.333)DAVID GUETTA/FLO RIDA/NICKI M. - Where Them Girls At: 33.296 (+ 0.061) JAY Z & KANYE WEST - Otis: 33.757 (+ 0.522) COLDPLAY - Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall: 32.124 (- 0.093) COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 30.613 (+ 0.491) PITBULL - Rain Over Me: 27.686 (+ 0.222) JENNIFER LOPEZ - I'm Into You f/Lil Wayne: 23.564 (+ 0.082) DEV - In The Dark: 20.227 (+ 1.163)RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Adventures Of Rain Dance...: 19.441 (+ 0.122) TAYLOR SWIFT - Sparks Fly: 17.094 (+ 0.405) ALEXANDRA STAN - Mr. Saxobeat: 17.003 (+ 0.278) DRAKE - Headlines: 16.828 (+ 1.369)ADELE - Someone Like You: 13.967 (+ 0.521) BLACK EYED PEAS - Don't Stop The Party: 12.278 (- 0.061) LADY GAGA - You And I: 9.735 (+ 0.836) AVRIL LAVIGNE - Smile: 8.015 (- 0.108) BLINK 182 - Up All Night: 6.723 (+ 0.008) EVANESCENCE - What You Want: 2.858 (+ 0.349) [Source]
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 16, 2011 5:37:46 GMT -5
Which site do you use for the Top 100 archived? I use aCharts. It's really handy. Great updates for Maroon 5, Rihanna and Foster the People today. However, the updates overall seem to really have been lacking this past week or so. No 1M+ in the top 20 today. MLJ should bust into the top 20 tomorrow or the following day though, with PUK and Cheers following relatively soon. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 16, 2011 7:36:48 GMT -5
Katy Perry must have gotten stuck at #2 because the record company discounted LFN original to 69 cents. I knew LFN wouldn't get #1 this week. f**k f**k f**k! If not this week, then next week. Glad they are discounting. As I said in another section, LFN has been #1 on all other key components charts, so what if Capitol does whatever it can to get to H100 #1? It's been done for Destiny's Child/Beyonce, RiRi and MiMi - except for us chart freaks, nobody cares. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 16, 2011 7:51:56 GMT -5
Katy Perry must have gotten stuck at #2 because the record company discounted LFN original to 69 cents. I knew LFN wouldn't get #1 this week. f**k f**k f**k! If not this week, then next week. Glad they are discounting. As I said in another section, LFN has been #1 on all other key components charts, so what if Capitol does whatever it can to get to H100 #1? It's been done for Destiny's Child/Beyonce, RiRi and MiMi - except for us chart freaks, nobody cares. Yeah the goal should be to get the #1 single keep it there for as long as possible and then move on. Sell as much as you can as fast as you can. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 16, 2011 9:09:12 GMT -5
Katy Perry must have gotten stuck at #2 because the record company discounted LFN original to 69 cents. I knew LFN wouldn't get #1 this week. f**k f**k f**k! But the airplay tracking hasn't ended yet. So even the insiders don't know the final result yet. I bet her label just thinks it didn't make it because of digital sales which would explain the discount. They're probably thinking correctly, though. It's close, but I think LMFAO will still take it. |
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Post by colson on Aug 16, 2011 9:15:02 GMT -5
^The label probably already have the digital sales figures sent to them. Maybe it was lower than what they had anticipated? So they decided to lower the price this week to get more action.
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on Aug 16, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -5
More Mediabase
8/16/2011 Update
JAKE OWEN - Barefoot Blue Jean Night= 43.839 (+0.387)
KENNY CHESNEY - You And Tequila f/Grace Potter = 41.975 (-0.012)
RODNEY ATKINS -Take A Back Road= 35.812 (+0.347)
TRACE ADKINS -Just Fishin'= 34.042 (-0.168)
TOBY KEITH -Made In America= 32.984 (+0.475)
KEITH URBAN -Long Hot Summer= 32.275 (+0.371)
BILLY CURRINGTON -Love Done Gone= 28.986 (+0.088)
BIG SEAN -Marvin & Chardonnay= 27.777 (+0.264)
SCOTTY MCCREERY - I Love You This Big = 26.721 (-0.033)
MIGUEL -Quickie= 26.668 (+0.617)
BLAKE SHELTON -God Gave Me You= 24.983 (+0.692)
AFROJACK -Take Over Control f/Eva Simons= 23.977 (+0.110)
GYM CLASS HEROES- Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine = 23.910 (+0.571)
ANDY GRAMMER - Keep Your Head Up= 22.876 (-0.046)
THOMPSON SQUARE -I Got You= 21.889 (+0.176)
DRAKE -Marvin's Room= 21.893 (+0.628)
FOO FIGHTERS - Walk= 16.949 (+0.074)
IYAZ -Pretty Girls= 14.763 (+0.576)
NEW BOYZ -Better With The Lights Off= 13.395 (+0.181)
THE SCRIPT -Nothing= 12.929 (+0.433)
MIRANDA LAMBERT -Baggage Claim= 12.587 (+0.688)
WALE - That Way f/Jeremih & Rick Ross= 12.489 (+0.179)
TINIE TEMPAH -Till I'm Gone f/Wiz Khalifa= 12.370 (+0.032)
TYGA -Far Away f/Chris Richardson= 11.703 (+0.218)
MATT NATHANSON -Faster= 11.222 (-0.093)
JENNIFER HUDSON - No One Gonna Love You= 10.692 (+0.292)
RASCAL FLATTS -Easy= 10.413 (+0.139)
KREAYSHAWN -Gucci Gucci= 9.939 (+0.207)
CHRIS BROWN -Wet The Bed= 9.001 (+0.073)
ESTELLE -Break My Heart f/Rick Ross= 8.596 (+0.002)
WIZ KHALIFA -No Sleep= 8.101 (+ 0.250)
THEORY OF A DEADMAN -Lowlife= 8.052 (+0.053)
ACE HOOD -Body 2 Body f/Chris Brown= 7.716 (+0.482)
MONICA -Anything f/Rick Ross & Lil Kim= 7.530 (+0.144)
CHRISTINA PERRI -Arms= 7.009 (+0.130)
GOO GOO DOLLS -All That You Are= 6.895 (+0.140)
LLOYD -Dedication To My Ex...= 6.224 (+0.162)
J. COLE -Workout= 6.176 (+0.167)
KELLIE PICKLER -Tough= 5.269 (+0.020)
COLBIE CAILLAT -Brighter Than The Sun= 5.096 (+0.268)
BUSH - The Sound Of Winter= 4.958 (+0.102)
LIL WAYNE -She Will f/Drake= 4.950 (+1.358)
SEAN PAUL -Got 2 Luv U f/Alexis Jordan= 4.932 (+0.065)
GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You = 4.120 (+0.038)
YOUNG JEEZY -Shake Life= 3.516 (+0.157)
SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA-Save The World=3.499 (+0.022)
CODY SIMPSON -On My Mind= 3.111 (+0.037)
JANE'S ADDICTION -Irresistible Force= 2.869 (+0.100)
MICHELLE BRANCH -Loud Music= 2.786 (-0.083)
DEMI LOVATO - Skyscraper = 2.734 (+0.096)
JOE JONAS - Hit No More= 2.700 (+0.070)
THE BAND PERRY - All Your Life= 2.466 (+0.332)
LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 2.348 (+0.033)
NAYER -Suave (Kiss Me) f/Mohombi= 2.084 (+0.086)
DAVID GUETTA - Little Bad Girl f/Taio Cruz= 1.823 (+0.055)
INCUBUS -Promises, Promises= 1.821 (+0.052)
JASON DERULO -It Girl= 1.816 (+0.283)
KELLY ROWLAND -Lay It On Me f/Big Sean= 1.797 (-0.015)
LMFAO -Sexy And I Know It= 1.724 (+0.147)
LENNY KRAVITZ -Stand= 1.695 (-0.003)
BRUNO MARS -Marry You= 1.523 (+0.023)
KOOKS -Junk Of The Heart= 1.337 (+0.032)
TYRESE -Too Easy f/Ludacris= 1.244 (+0.160)
NICKI MINAJ -Fly f/Rihanna= 1.207 (+0.079)
SWITCHFOOT -Dark Horses= 1.206 (+0.021)
PATRICK STUMP -This City f/Lupe Fiasco= 0.935 (+0.039)
50 CENT -I'm On It= 0.886 (-0.013)
SUPERHEAVY -Miracle Worker= 0.771 (-0.007)
CHERLISE -Love U Right f/Lil Wayne= 0.631 (-0.032)
SKYLAR GRAY - Invisible = 0.580 (+0.055)
PIA TOSCANO -This Time= 0.529 (+0.049)
IFFY -Do You= 0.352 (-0.017)
CASEY JAMES-Let's Don't Call It A Night= 0.302 (+0.011)
SIMPLE PLAN -Jet Lag f/Natasha Bedingfield=0.297 (+0.010)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE -Love You Like A Love Song= 0.289 (+0.035)
FEIST -How Come You Never Go There= 0.157 (+0.059)
MELANIE FIONA -4 AM= 0.145 (+0.078)
LADY ANTEBELLUM -We Owned The Night= 0.078
NICOLE SCHERZINGER -Don't Hold Your Breath= 0.052
SHAKIRA -Rabiosa f/Pitbull= 0.030 (=)
LEONA LEWIS -Collide= 0.017 (-0.006)
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Post by popstop on Aug 16, 2011 10:24:42 GMT -5
If PRA holds on this week and next, it's the longest #1 of the year. I would never have seen that coming when it first hit #1.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 16, 2011 11:14:42 GMT -5
If PRA holds on this week and next, it's the longest #1 of the year. I would never have seen that coming when it first hit #1. it won't hold on next week. It's done. |
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Post by David on Aug 16, 2011 12:23:18 GMT -5
Looks like MLJ is starting to make some good audience gains. By next week it should be around 60m AI. I also think Katy's airplay is going to start to "tumble" this week, while PRA looks to be staying a decent decline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 12:26:56 GMT -5
I think with this new discount Katy has a shot at #1. The airplay difference should still get a tiny bit bigger, and the remix hasn't tumbled yet, it still has a pop bar of about 0.1000.
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Post by neverduplicated on Aug 16, 2011 13:01:01 GMT -5
Looks like MLJ is starting to make some good audience gains. By next week it should be around 60m AI. I also think Katy's airplay is going to start to "tumble" this week, while PRA looks to be staying a decent decline. I see Katy's airplay staying fairly consistent for the next week. Yes, it will lose a bit more at pop, but it still has a decent bullet at both rhythmic and Hot AC. It will max out at both very soon, but probably not for another week. Also I'm very curious to see what M5 sell this week... definite contender for #1 very soon. |
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 16, 2011 13:24:11 GMT -5
LMFAO should discount their track as well just to block this chick.
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Post by colson on Aug 16, 2011 13:26:52 GMT -5
^That's childish.
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Post by Franck on Aug 16, 2011 13:32:44 GMT -5
LMFAO should discount their track as well just to block this chick.  |
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Post by musicissalvation on Aug 16, 2011 13:32:56 GMT -5
LFN on the Latin Charts?
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Post by badrobot on Aug 16, 2011 14:41:04 GMT -5
LMFAO should discount their track as well just to block this chick. That's what Destiny's Child did with Bootylicious in 2000 to Mariah Carey's Loverboy. Adjusted release date and pricing to block her. Honestly, labels that focus on chart peaks instead of overall long-term performance are short-sighted. It may get them some press but they should be spending their time and money on artist development rather than chart gimmicks. |
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Post by jebsib on Aug 16, 2011 15:22:18 GMT -5
Adonis, HolidayGuy, Sorry I was wrong:
I knew it happened during one of the 'recent' overhauls of the big chart: They did away with non monitored smaller market stations during the week of the big digital sales revision of the Hot 100 on 2/12/05. It is described in the "Singles Minded" column, but no reason is given; Presumably as HG stated, at that point - after 13 years - the information was too minuscule to be of any impact.
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Post by born2slay on Aug 16, 2011 15:24:37 GMT -5
So is all of Capitol's frantically desperate chart manipulation. Pull one or two tricks out of your hat in the hopes it might give your single that extra push it needs, but they are starting to look like idiots with all of these cheap tricks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 15:48:42 GMT -5
Actually that would just be "playing the game" the same way that Rihanna, Britney and now Katy have been doing. |
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