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Post by colson on Aug 15, 2011 10:21:14 GMT -5
^Yeah, but why should Nicki's label care about helping Katy get another #1 by tagging their artist on some random remix unless they are paid a lot of money? There's no incentive. Nicki's already a big success even without a #1 single tagged to her name.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on Aug 15, 2011 10:21:57 GMT -5
I think Kworb posted estimated sales from iTunes but there is Amazon too.
But I think even if Katy will have less points than LMFAO Bilboard is going to give her #1 it's also a big promo for them since every sites around the world will write about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 10:30:00 GMT -5
The difference between #1 and #4 is like 3k on Amazon...
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 15, 2011 10:34:29 GMT -5
I think Kworb posted estimated sales from iTunes but there is Amazon too. But I think even if Katy will have less points than LMFAO Bilboard is going to give her #1 it's also a big promo for them since every sites around the world will write about it. yes, i can see that happening. No one really knows for sure. I remember when Teenage Dream had more combined chart points than LTWYL, but that edged it out somehow. |
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Post by Lockheart on Aug 15, 2011 10:41:41 GMT -5
The difference between #1 and #4 is like 3k on Amazon... Yes, but the other version of PRA was ahead by a couple of spots of the remix version of LFN. All four were inside the top 100 |
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Post by Lockheart on Aug 15, 2011 10:43:03 GMT -5
I think Kworb posted estimated sales from iTunes but there is Amazon too. But I think even if Katy will have less points than LMFAO Bilboard is going to give her #1 it's also a big promo for them since every sites around the world will write about it. I doubt BB is going to give it to her. Whether she gets #1 or not, it will definitely attract traffic regardless. I can already sense the write ups if she hits #1 or not |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 15, 2011 10:57:55 GMT -5
The measurement of airplay is not an exact science, therefore is not 100% accurate. So to me, that leaves the possibility of persuasion and influence if things are really close. I don't think streaming can be measured accurately either.
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Post by badrobot on Aug 15, 2011 11:11:40 GMT -5
^That's not quite true. While the methods that lead to getting airplay data involve some guesswork (you have to rely on audience trends, since you can't actually measure the exact number of people listening to the radio all the time), all those variables are decided in advance and BB is using the hard data that results from them. It's not like BDS gives some guess, they are providing a hard number, which BB is then crunching into a formula.
And streaming would actually be the most accurate -- it's based on actual numbers.
To my knowledge the only things where BB exercises some editorial discretion are things like when to award bullets, how to list song credits, when a song goes "recurrent," and in some cases what genres a song falls into.
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Post by renfield75 on Aug 15, 2011 11:40:03 GMT -5
Yeah, plenty of us know or own all 1000 #1 songs. Not all of us were born in the 90s, you know! I'm the same group as you...and my vote for worst #1 ever would be "Mr. Custer" by Larry Verne. Even for an early 60s novelty song, it was poorly conceived, poorly written, poorly produced, and poorly performed. Although I agree with the "kids" on here that "Laffy Taffy" is in the top (bottom?) ten. |
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Post by David on Aug 15, 2011 11:40:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt Billboard would make Katy #1 if she didn't have the numbers to be #1. It's going to attract traffic whether she hits it or not. It's going to be fun to watch either way though. It's been an intense week regarding this.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 15, 2011 11:48:40 GMT -5
Please all this talk about worst #1. People clearly are talking about the worst #1 songs they've heard. No one has to have heard every song to have an opinion on the worst #1 songs they've heard. That's ridiculous.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 15, 2011 11:51:42 GMT -5
Please all this talk about worst #1. People clearly are talking about the worst #1 songs they've heard. No one has to have heard every song to have an opinion on the worst #1 songs they've heard. That's ridiculous. Wrong thread? |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 15, 2011 11:59:26 GMT -5
Please all this talk about worst #1. People clearly are talking about the worst #1 songs they've heard. No one has to have heard every song to have an opinion on the worst #1 songs they've heard. That's ridiculous. You're a little late there.  New threads have popped up on this discussion now. Here and here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 12:09:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt Billboard would make Katy #1 if she didn't have the numbers to be #1. It's going to attract traffic whether she hits it or not. It's going to be fun to watch either way though. It's been an intense week regarding this. Yes, but if she hits #1 then they'll get more traffic when she tries to get a 6th #1 with her next album. |
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Post by David on Aug 15, 2011 12:18:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt Billboard would make Katy #1 if she didn't have the numbers to be #1. It's going to attract traffic whether she hits it or not. It's going to be fun to watch either way though. It's been an intense week regarding this. Yes, but if she hits #1 then they'll get more traffic when she tries to get a 6th #1 with her next album. Maybe they just should manipulate their charts every week to get traffic then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 12:24:58 GMT -5
If it's 303 points for "Last Friday Night", and 303.2 points for "Party Rock Anthem", I don't think it would be that much of a manipulation on their part if they made it #1, and it would certainly be worth it for them. If people somehow find out, they could just blame it on an error. Didn't they do that last year once?
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Post by badrobot on Aug 15, 2011 12:32:35 GMT -5
Can someone be more specific about this supposed error in the past?
The only time I've heard them say that clearer data would've chnaged who was #1 was We Belong Together's first week at #1.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 15, 2011 12:42:26 GMT -5
Didn't Alejandro get to #5 because of some error?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 12:55:04 GMT -5
According to this, last year on the 6/26/2011 chart week, Billboard originally posted the Top 10 as: #1 : California Gurls #2 : OMG #3 : Airplanes #4 : Billionaire #5 : Your Love is My Drug #6 : Alejandro #7 : Break Your Heart #8 : Not Afraid #9 : Rock That Body #10 : Find Your Love Giving Alejandro a new peak of #6, then on Friday, they fixed it to this which got it a new peak of #5: #1 California Gurls #2 OMG #3 Airplanes #4 Billionaire #5 Alejandro #6 Your Love is My Drug #7 Break Your Heart #8 Not Afraid #9 Rock That Body #10 Find Your Love Edit: Thanks, fixed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 13:00:30 GMT -5
^ That's the June 19th chart
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 15, 2011 13:10:14 GMT -5
If it's 303 points for "Last Friday Night", and 303.2 points for "Party Rock Anthem", I don't think it would be that much of a manipulation on their part if they made it #1, and it would certainly be worth it for them. If people somehow find out, they could just blame it on an error. Didn't they do that last year once? Billboard is not going to manipulate the chart. Points are points. If, PRA has more chart points it should get #1 bottom line. I know for a fact billboard does take into consideration non tracked radio stations that BDS does not include so that could have an impact in a race that could prove to be as close as this one. Billboard awards a certain amount of additional points based on non-bds tracked radio airplay. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 15, 2011 13:15:49 GMT -5
^Back in the day (1991-2000 or so), small-market airplay made more of a difference than it does now. As the years went on, Billboard added those small-market stations to the regular Hot 100 Airplay panel. Nowadays, the number of non-BDS-monitored stations is very tiny (maybe a handful, I think). But, when things are super close, who knows if it could make a difference.
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Post by kingofpain on Aug 15, 2011 13:43:42 GMT -5
Yeah if ever BB should have manipulated the charts it was when Lady Antebellum got screwed by Rude Boy. I swear it must have come down to 2 or 3 points, but if BB wanted to make headlines by declaring a country act having the #1 single on the Hot 100 for the first time in a decade... they could have done that.
However, Rihanna got a zillionth #1 hit instead and it stayed on top for several weeks.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 15, 2011 13:53:38 GMT -5
Yes, but if she hits #1 then they'll get more traffic when she tries to get a 6th #1 with her next album. Maybe they just should manipulate their charts every week to get traffic then. Ew! Who wants to hang around Billboard.com? It's such a horrible site. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 15, 2011 14:37:56 GMT -5
Maybe they just should manipulate their charts every week to get traffic then. Ew! Who wants to hang around Billboard.com? It's such a horrible site. technically speaking it's a good site in theory but the execution is bad IMO. |
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Post by popstop on Aug 15, 2011 14:46:16 GMT -5
Maybe they just should manipulate their charts every week to get traffic then. Ew! Who wants to hang around Billboard.com? It's such a horrible site. Between the loss of Fred Bronson and the redesign, I hardly go there myself. I don't really see anyone moving to take Katy's airplay crown in the next couple weeks. I still think she'll slip into the #1 spot. If MLJ maintains high sales, maybe that's a possibility next week with greater airplay. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 15, 2011 15:04:36 GMT -5
Ew! Who wants to hang around Billboard.com? It's such a horrible site. technically speaking it's a good site in theory but the execution is bad IMO. Yeah, I think the idea of the site is fantastic. But, it's just horribly ran. The charts update much later than they used to, the Launch thing on the side is incredibly annoying, and the historical chart data is messed up. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 15:06:12 GMT -5
The only thing I use Billboard for anymore is to get the Top 10 for previous weeks, but even then it's more useful to just use other sites that have the full Top 100 archived.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on Aug 15, 2011 15:18:11 GMT -5
Yes, but if she hits #1 then they'll get more traffic when she tries to get a 6th #1 with her next album. Maybe they just should manipulate their charts every week to get traffic then. Yeah. Breaking news Rebecca Black blocked Katy Perry from her 5th number 1 on Billboard hot100. Katy would tie MJ's record but Rebecca was stronger. The battle was close, but Rebecca take advantage in audience since she gained a lot AI from HZWQ a small radiostation i Kentucky. Apparently last week 350mil chickens from mr. McDonalds farm were listening to her big hit 'friday'. sorry Katy maybe next week, since KFC's manager said us, that they are going to buy 150mil chickens for their stores in upcoming weeks. |
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Post by jebsib on Aug 15, 2011 16:20:59 GMT -5
The Hot 100 stopped using small market non BDS stations 3 years ago.
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