Billboard Hot 100: 9/10/11

[Tea-why]

Aug 27, 2011 11:37:26 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Aug 26, 2011 22:15:55 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^Christina? More like Maroon 5- Ms. Aguilera's only on a minute or so of the track, anyways. :)

In any event, MLJ is on contention for No. 1 on the upcoming Hot 100, so possibly no screwing for the single.

Sort of like the 20 seconds on LTWYL. Or how about Drake on WMN? Forget this argument.

So true about "What's My Name".

Or Jamie Foxx being on the first 15 seconds of "Gold Digger" and not appearing for the rest of the song (Ray Charles voice is what's in the chorus), or Lil' John being featured on "Yeah", when he doesn't even have a verse. The list goes on and on and on....

People need to just let X-tina fans have their moment, this is the closest thing that she's had to a smash hit in ages, regardless of how long she's on the song for. lol

But anyways, Is MLJ the biggest contender for #1 this week?

[Lozzy]

Aug 29, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5 Tea-why said:

But anyways, Is MLJ the biggest contender for #1 this week?

Yes.

[@DiegoMarcondes_]

''More Mediabase'' list with 4 days update coming soon!

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 29, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5 Tea-why said:

Aug 27, 2011 11:37:26 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Sort of like the 20 seconds on LTWYL. Or how about Drake on WMN? Forget this argument.

So true about "What's My Name".

Or Jamie Foxx being on the first 15 seconds of "Gold Digger" and not appearing for the rest of the song (Ray Charles voice is what's in the chorus), or Lil' John being featured on "Yeah", when he doesn't even have a verse. The list goes on and on and on....

People need to just let X-tina fans have their moment, this is the closest thing that she's had to a smash hit in ages, regardless of how long she's on the song for. lol

But anyways, Is MLJ the biggest contender for #1 this week?

One could argue that her fans are also supporting the song and without those fans the song wouldn't have been able to become the hit that it is today. Maroon 5 felt she deserved credit for what she contributed to the song. That should be enough.

[wavey.]

Exactly. Im sure Ester Dean did not mind/wanted to be credited as the "feature" in Super Bass, she wrote the chorus, so shes on it either way.

[@DiegoMarcondes_]

More Mediabse

Airplay increase updated from August 25th to August 29th (4 DAYS UPDATE

TOBY KEITH -Made In America= 40.195 (+1.784)
KEITH URBAN -Long Hot Summer= 38.803 (+1.683)
TRACE ADKINS -Just Fishin'= 36.844 (+1.206)
BIG SEAN -Marvin & Chardonnay= 34.370 (+1.261)
BILLY CURRINGTON -Love Done Gone= 30.421 (+0.296)
DRAKE -Marvin's Room= 30.349 (+3.048)
BLAKE SHELTON -God Gave Me You= 28.926 (+1.562)
SCOTTY MCCREERY - I Love You This Big = 26.655 (-0.004)
AFROJACK -Take Over Control f/Eva Simons= 25.218 (+1.433)
MIRANDA LAMBERT -Baggage Claim= 24.235 (+2.949)
ANDY GRAMMER - Keep Your Head Up= 23.906 (+0.526)
THOMPSON SQUARE -I Got You= 23.427 (+0.461)
LIL WAYNE -She Will f/Drake= 21.609 (+3.935)
IYAZ -Pretty Girls= 21.220 (+2.721)
FOO FIGHTERS - Walk= 18.499 (+0.125)
NEW BOYZ -Better With The Lights Off= 16.825 (+1.513)
WALE - That Way f/Jeremih & Rick Ross= 15.062 (+1.652)
CHRIS BROWN -Wet The Bed= 14.523 (+1.507)
RASCAL FLATTS -Easy= 14.108 (+1.483)
TYGA -Far Away f/Chris Richardson= 12.622 (-0.289)
MATT NATHANSON -Faster= 12.163 (+0.403)
ACE HOOD -Body 2 Body f/Chris Brown= 11.603 (+1.707)
KREAYSHAWN -Gucci Gucci= 11.066 (+0.514)
MONICA -Anything f/Rick Ross & Lil Kim= 10.014 (-0.088)
JASON DERULO -It Girl= 9.836 (+3.041)
WIZ KHALIFA -No Sleep= 9.665 (+ 0.455)
LLOYD -Dedication To My Ex...= 9.012 (+1.010)
CHRISTINA PERRI -Arms= 8.459 (+0.040)
J. COLE -Workout= 8.395 (+0.659)
THE BAND PERRY - All Your Life= 8.094 (+2.105)
JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris= 7.301 (+0.483)
LADY ANTEBELLUM -We Owned The Night= 7.241 (+2.768)
BUSH - The Sound Of Winter= 7.221 (+0.980)
KELLIE PICKLER -Tough= 6.995 (+1.006)
DAVID GUETTA -Without You f/Usher= 6.899 (+4.982)
SEAN PAUL -Got 2 Luv U f/Alexis Jordan= 6.441 (-0.160)
COLBIE CAILLAT -Brighter Than The Sun= 6.370 (+0.222)
GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You = 6.287 (+0.290)
SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA-Save The World= 5.764 (+0.146)
MUMFORD & SONS -Roll Away Your Stone= 4.965 (+0.078)
KELLY ROWLAND -Lay It On Me f/Big Sean= 4.468 (+0.720)
YOUNG JEEZY -Shake Life= 4.460 (-0.109)
DEMI LOVATO - Skyscraper = 4.325 (+0.973)
BEYONCE - Party f/Kanye & Andre= 4.307 (+0.505)
NICKI MINAJ -Fly f/Rihanna= 3.978 (+1.189)
LMFAO -Sexy And I Know It= 3.889 (+0.973)
JASON ALDEAN - Tattoos On This Town= 3.735 (+1.542)
JANE'S ADDICTION -Irresistible Force= 3.583 (+0.218)
MICHELLE BRANCH -Loud Music= 3.441 (+0.128)
TYRESE -Too Easy f/Ludacris= 3.051 (+0.814)
NAYER -Suave (Kiss Me) f/Mohombi= 2.835 (+0.188)
LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 2.600 (+0.026)
INCUBUS -Promises, Promises= 2.040 (+0.035)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Helena Beat= 1.987 (-0.097)
LENNY KRAVITZ -Stand= 1.917 (+0.036)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE -Love You Like A Love Song= 1.802 (+0.622)
FRANK OCEAN -Swim Good= 1.615 (+0.671)
SWITCHFOOT -Dark Horses= 1.432 (+0.054)
MELANIE FIONA -4 AM= 1.297 (+0.530)
SKYLAR GRAY - Invisible = 1.145 (+0.240)
SIMPLE PLAN -Jet Lag f/Natasha Bedingfield=0.923 (+0.111)
LIL JON -Drinks f/LMFAO= 0.836 (+0.371)
FEIST -How Come You Never Go There= 0.757 (+0.130)
MARY J. BLIGE -25/8= 0.743
FLORENCE + THE MACHINE - What The Water Gave Me= 0.691 (+0.452)
SNOW PATROL -Called Out In The Dark= 0.608 (+0.220)
CASEY JAMES-Let's Don't Call It A Night= 0.552 (-0.002)
LUKE BRYAN -I Don’t Want This Night To End= 0.410 (+0.043)
NICOLE SCHERZINGER -Don't Hold Your Breath= 0.082 (-0.009)
JESSIE J -Domino= 0.075 (+0.042)
KATY PERRY - Peacock= 0.036 (0.011)

[Tea-why]

Aug 29, 2011 9:55:26 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Aug 29, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5 Tea-why said:

So true about "What's My Name".

Or Jamie Foxx being on the first 15 seconds of "Gold Digger" and not appearing for the rest of the song (Ray Charles voice is what's in the chorus), or Lil' John being featured on "Yeah", when he doesn't even have a verse. The list goes on and on and on....

People need to just let X-tina fans have their moment, this is the closest thing that she's had to a smash hit in ages, regardless of how long she's on the song for. lol

But anyways, Is MLJ the biggest contender for #1 this week?

One could argue that her fans are also supporting the song and without those fans the song wouldn't have been able to become the hit that it is today. Maroon 5 felt she deserved credit for what she contributed to the song. That should be enough.

I agree, I'm just saying that if her fans want to be happy because "Christina has a big hit", then let them, regardless how much she contributed to the song or the fact that it's a Maroon 5 song. It's not like you can't hear her lol

[Tea-why]

Aug 27, 2011 9:36:14 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I'm not a big Maroon 5 or Aguilera fan (though I like more of Aguilera's music than Maroon 5), so for me, my observations would not change. I've made it known that I think "featurings" should be on at least half a track, but that's another story.

Then wouldn't that more of duet if the featuring artist is singing half of the song? If they're singing half of the song then they might as be billed as an "&".

I think "featuring" is more suitable when the guest isn't singing half or more of the song.

But that's just my opinion.

[badrobot]

^SDV I agree 100%.

Don't understand why NOW all of a sudden "featuring" is an issue. HG I agree with you most of the time but this one has me completely confounded.

[neverduplicated]

Aug 29, 2011 10:55:59 GMT -5 Tea-why said:

Aug 27, 2011 9:36:14 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I'm not a big Maroon 5 or Aguilera fan (though I like more of Aguilera's music than Maroon 5), so for me, my observations would not change. I've made it known that I think "featurings" should be on at least half a track, but that's another story.

Then wouldn't that more of duet if the featuring artist is singing half of the song? If they're singing half of the song then they might as be billed as an "&".

I think "featuring" is more suitable when the guest isn't singing half or more of the song.

But that's just my opinion.

I agree. If you're on at least half the track, then surely you'd be the/a lead artist. It would be cruel to give someone a featuring credit and not a lead credit if they're on the majority of the track. I think the only time a featuring credit isn't warranted is if someone is solely doing shout outs.

[slicknickshady]

7. BAD MEETS EVIL - Lighters f/Bruno Mars: 100.852 (+ 1.275)

Wow. It's still moving.

[HolidayGuy]

I can see "featuring" credits for acts appearing on notably less than half a track. For me, I think it's just these latest run of tacked-on featurings that are getting too much ("S&M,' "Till the World Ends," etc. etc.) A Maroon 5/Aguilera collaboration in some form wasn't surprising, given their involvement in The Voice. All these "featurings"- whether in original form or "remix"- just seem like tacky ways to land bigger hits. But, the charts are a game, so it is what it is.

I'm not sure if Billboard treats "featuring" credits in terms of points when compiling year-end lists or all-time lists- I know Record Research gives featured acts 20% of a single's total points.

[Luckie Starchild]

I don't quite understand how Christina supposedly adds nothing to MLJ and has nothing to do with its success yet at the same time, her involvement was a tacky ploy to get it a hit. ???

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

It wasn't a tacky ploy. It was to do a good performance for the show and the song ended up being a big hit because people liked the sound of the song. Maroon 5 wouldn't have a hit if things would've happened differently.

[leoapp]

Whatever, her part is important or not, just accept it! MLJ will be also considered as Xtina #1, her 5th #1!

[Au$tin]

I'm tired of this same old bullshit discussion. Where was everyone claiming Drake shouldn't be credited a number one for "What's My Name?" or 3OH!3 for a top ten debut on "Blah Blah Blah"? Just because it's Christina Aguilera, people go into a huge hissy fit.

Yes, the Christina fans are blowing her part out of proportion. But, it seems like everyone else is way too quick to discredit her as well. She's on there for about 1/4-1/5 of the song, so it's actually a decent amount. At least it feels like her part fits with the song, unlike 3OH!3's and Drake's parts in the songs I mentioned above.

Christina is going to get credited if "Moves Like Jagger" goes number one. Deal with it! The world isn't going to end because she got a number one hit as a featured artist.

[forg]

Aug 29, 2011 5:03:45 GMT -5 Kworb said:

Hot 100 prediction based on my sales estimates and airplay trend

1. Moves Like Jagger (237 + 74 = 311)
2. Pumped Up Kicks (209 + 63 = 272)
3. Party Rock Anthem (141 + 125 = 266)
4. Lighters (141 + 101 = 242)
5. Super Bass (103 + 125 = 228)
6. Last Friday Night (92 + 134 = 226)
7. How To Love (106 + 107 = 213)
8. Stereo Hearts (164 + 40 = 204)
9. Cheers (147 + 55 = 202)
10. Good Life (107 + 89 = 196)
Give Me Everything (64 + 106 + 10 = 180)
I Wanna Go (73 + 102 = 175)
She Will (146 + 25 = 171)
Tonight Tonight (92 + 78 = 170)
If I Die Young (79 + 72 = 151)
Rolling In The Deep (70 + 86 = 156)
Yoü And I (114 + 31 = 145)
You Make Me Feel (97 + 41 = 138)
Someone Like You (96 + 27 = 123)

Wow Pumped Up Kicks could go as high as #2 this week? Since when was the last time the two bands were in the top 2 of the Hot 100?

I hope Lighters could reach #4, it's likely the peak for that song and if that happens then Bruno Mars has 3 #1 singles and #3 #4 peaking singles (Billionaire, The Lazy Song and potentially Lighters)

If I Die Young will likely end at #14 again, looks like this won't reach the top 10 but I hope it still can because I bet that would have been one of the longest climbs to the top 10

[kingofpain]

If I Die Young is going to be another "Breakeven". A moderate hit on radio that will probably play well as a recurrent for years to come... but the sales never quite pushed it enough to break the top 10.

[HolidayGuy]

Luckie, it was a tacky ploy on Team Aguilera to get that hit.

Seriously, though- I don't care as much as my posts may suggest. Of course it will count as a fifth No. 1 hit for her- that's never been in question. I was talking about featurings in general. There are some "featurings" in which the featured act plays as much of a role as the main act, but in other cases, that is not the case. I happen to appreciate it more when the featured act plays a larger role- that's all.

On a related note- while, say, a No. 1 indeed counts as one No. 1 for both a lead act and any featured acts in a single, the points distribution for Billboard's year-end charts and the top 100 Hot 100 acts (which appeared in 2008, with the next possibly coming in 2013) is 70% for the lead act and 30% for the featured act. Just an FYI, for those interested in that stuff.

[felipe]

Aug 29, 2011 22:15:16 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

On a related note- while, say, a No. 1 indeed counts as one No. 1 for both a lead act and any featured acts in a single, the points distribution for Billboard's year-end charts and the top 100 Hot 100 acts (which appeared in 2008, with the next possibly coming in 2013) is 70% for the lead act and 30% for the featured act. Just an FYI, for those interested in that stuff.

I don't think it's fair, but it's not my call though. One might argue Justin is more than 50% responsible for the success of 4 minutes and still he only gets 30%?

[HolidayGuy]

^Yah, that would be one example where the featured act plays as much of a role in the track as the main act. But, as a track that originated on Madonna's album and was "featuring Justin Timberlake," that's how Billboard treats it.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Katy should stop releasing singles now. People are clearly sick of her. The post MTVA sales suggest that people are sick of Katy right now. Her sales are the only one's that didn't go up despite winning several high profile awards.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Isn't it up to the labels to decide whether a collaboration is listed as "with", "featuring", "duetting with", "and", "introducing" or whatever? The most common one is featuring but I've seen collabs where there have been equal vocals on the part of two vocalists yet it's a featured credit. Snow Patrol and Martha Wainwright for example.

As for the song itself, Christina adds enough to the song that if she wasn't in it, MLJ wouldn't really go anywhere. While she's not the *star* of the song, I feel like while you're listening to it, the anticipation of her verse makes the rest of the song fun to listen to. It's something to look forward to in an otherwise average song. She adds variation.

[Mark]

Aug 29, 2011 23:13:58 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Katy should stop releasing singles now. People are clearly sick of her. The post MTVA sales suggest that people are sick of Katy right now. Her sales are the only one's that didn't go up despite winning several high profile awards.

People may very well be sick of her (although I doubt it), but I don't think post VMA sales are a very good indicator. Gaga and Adele shot up the charts because a) they both performed and b) their songs are both pretty damn new. Lil' Wayne is dominating because a) his album was just released and b) he performed. Beyonce performed a track unheard of by most, so clearly it would rise. I could go on and on.

Katy, on the other hand, didn't perform, and all of her songs are a year old by now. Also, she won for what? ET and Firework? Name me 2 people in the world who haven't heard those songs by now. Both are nearing 5 million downloads and have reached the end of the road on radio. No added exposure now is going to help songs like ET and Firework, but will obviously help Someone Like You, You and I, etc.

[HolidayGuy]

Yes, the label usually advises Billboard on how it wants the single to be credited.

RE MLJ- I wouldn't say the track wouldn't go anywhere without Aguilera. As we saw, Maroon 5 performed the song twice without her, and it shot up the iTunes chart. Not saying that her people don't enjoy her appearance, but I'm sure Maroon 5 fans- and probably some casual ones- enjoyed the group's recent performances of the track just fine.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I haven't seen those performances.

I'm not saying without Christina the song wouldn't be as good. But I think having her on the track from the beginning helped build up some curiosity points. It's a pretty catchy song so once people were wheeled in, hearing it with or without her, familiarity and enjoyment of the song will grow regardless.
For me, I think she's a necessary part of it.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 29, 2011 23:25:53 GMT -5 Mark said:

Aug 29, 2011 23:13:58 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Katy should stop releasing singles now. People are clearly sick of her. The post MTVA sales suggest that people are sick of Katy right now. Her sales are the only one's that didn't go up despite winning several high profile awards.

People may very well be sick of her (although I doubt it), but I don't think post VMA sales are a very good indicator. Gaga and Adele shot up the charts because a) they both performed and b) their songs are both pretty damn new. Lil' Wayne is dominating because a) his album was just released and b) he performed. Beyonce performed a track unheard of by most, so clearly it would rise. I could go on and on.

Katy, on the other hand, didn't perform, and all of her songs are a year old by now. Also, she won for what? ET and Firework? Name me 2 people in the world who haven't heard those songs by now. Both are nearing 5 million downloads and have reached the end of the road on radio. No added exposure now is going to help songs like ET and Firework, but will obviously help Someone Like You, You and I, etc.

That's a fair point. They are already fully saturated. Ok I get that but even LFN fell like a stone...but it is a 5th single. It's something to consider....

[HolidayGuy]

That's fair, House. I know it's the guy saying he has the moves like Jagger, but Adam still could have had her maybe sing the chorus with him at the end, rather than do those adlibs that add nothing to the track.

BTW- it was on America's Got Talent and Today that Maroon 5 performed the track.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 29, 2011 23:27:27 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Yes, the label usually advises Billboard on how it wants the single to be credited.

RE MLJ- I wouldn't say the track wouldn't go anywhere without Aguilera. As we saw, Maroon 5 performed the song twice without her, and it shot up the iTunes chart. Not saying that her people don't enjoy her appearance, but I'm sure Maroon 5 fans- and probably some casual ones- enjoyed the group's recent performances of the track just fine.

What about the X Tina fans who bought the song simply for the fact that X Tina was featured on it?

I would argue that she has more fans than Maroon 5 and they certainly more rabid. Did Maroon 5 perform the song twice without X Tina before the X Tina version came out? The question then becomes why have people elected to buy the X Tina version over the Maroon 5 version?

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 29, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5 Tea-why said:

Aug 27, 2011 11:37:26 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Sort of like the 20 seconds on LTWYL. Or how about Drake on WMN? Forget this argument.

So true about "What's My Name".

Or Jamie Foxx being on the first 15 seconds of "Gold Digger" and not appearing for the rest of the song (Ray Charles voice is what's in the chorus), or Lil' John being featured on "Yeah", when he doesn't even have a verse. The list goes on and on and on....

People need to just let X-tina fans have their moment, this is the closest thing that she's had to a smash hit in ages, regardless of how long she's on the song for. lol

But anyways, Is MLJ the biggest contender for #1 this week?

Drake's verse was amazing on WMN. His presence on the song is as important as Rihanna's. Plus he has a fan base that helped this song get #1 in its first full sales week.