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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 13, 2011 13:24:16 GMT -5
Hypothetical example: What is the bigger hit: The #1 song on February 2 or the #2 song on the 26th of December.? By your logic it would be the February song. But what if everyone and their brother are cashing in on Santa's itunes cards in December and sales of the #1 in February are only abut 1/4 of what they are Christmas week Do you still say the February song is the bigger hit? You can't compare the weeks equally, all weeks are different. That is the reason for the point system Exactly. There are many instances where the #2 song has more points than some other song that hit #1 in another given week. For example Just dance when it sold some 400k and was #2 behind Single Ladies. Even though it was #2 it still had more points than most #1 singles of that year. Or what about when BB changes the rules? For example, when the changed the value of digital sales from 2x airplay to 1X airplay. One week a song with strong digital, low airplay is high, the next it suffers a massive drop. The whole thing was arbitrary, which I guess could be said of a number of BB 'rules.' |
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Post by vithor on Nov 13, 2011 13:40:52 GMT -5
Why did they need a huge Clear Channel deal for her second single? IKR? Especially considering her 1st single is already smashing atm. |
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Post by TGIF on Nov 13, 2011 14:12:58 GMT -5
the clear channel thing is like the same thing gaga did for BTW right? lol i remember tons of people accusing gaga of payola for that too..
idk for sure but i dont think either interscope or def jam paid clear channel.. people are just always cynical about stuff like this
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Post by Choco on Nov 13, 2011 14:42:21 GMT -5
Why did they need a huge Clear Channel deal for her second single? IKR? Especially considering her 1st single is already smashing atm. Having two songs smashing by the time the album opens will bode well for her first week sales. It's safe to say that it will debut higher than Loud at least. |
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 13, 2011 15:13:06 GMT -5
the clear channel thing is like the same thing gaga did for BTW right? lol i remember tons of people accusing gaga of payola for that too.. idk for sure but i dont think either interscope or def jam paid clear channel.. people are just always cynical about stuff like this It just seems unnecessary. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 13, 2011 15:45:09 GMT -5
BB: Her singles "If This Was a Movie" and "Ours" may sell around 150,000 and 130,000, respectively, by week's end on Sunday, Nov. 13, according to industry prognosticators..."Superman" is the third-biggest seller of the bunch, and could shift around 75,000 or more downloads.
-- 2 SWIFT*TAYLOR JUMP THEN FALL 161065 999 0 161065
-- 9 SWIFT*TAYLOR UNTOUCHABLE 113642 999 0 113642
So the T2 songs did about the same total. Really quite impressive considering how these bonus tracks have been so readily available for a year. It implies huge things yet to come when her 4th quarter 2012 album comes out, perhaps vaulting her to #2 most songs charted for a female.
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Post by musik... on Nov 13, 2011 15:54:53 GMT -5
Rihanna tries to break one record She's able to do anything for that That's way she has just one classic song (in my opinion) and that's it "Umbrella" She does fast food music .... music just for the charts (it's not secret that her albums are not selling much enough even if her airplay (many of them payed i think) are really huge) Imagine that Loud had 3 hits peaking about 150mil. audience and other 2 around 60 mil and has sold only 1,5 mil copies (including last christmass period) It's interesting you don't include the 6 million copies of Loud that were sold outside the US. Combine that with Rated R's 3 million sold worldwide, that's nearly 11 million albums sold in the past two years. Yep, her albums aren't selling much at all... |
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Post by falkos on Nov 13, 2011 16:11:17 GMT -5
i'm not saying that she's not a big star of our days but ...not that much!!!
I think i'm talking to people with ears... R u like her voice? (And i'm not talking about her concerts...it's laughing time!!!) Her concerts are peep shows! Enough of her ass. It's good but it needs rest!
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Post by greggel on Nov 13, 2011 16:12:27 GMT -5
Rihanna tries to break one record She's able to do anything for that That's way she has just one classic song (in my opinion) and that's it "Umbrella" She does fast food music .... music just for the charts (it's not secret that her albums are not selling much enough even if her airplay (many of them payed i think) are really huge) Imagine that Loud had 3 hits peaking about 150mil. audience and other 2 around 60 mil and has sold only 1,5 mil copies (including last christmass period) It's interesting you don't include the 6 million copies of Loud that were sold outside the US. Combine that with Rated R's 3 million sold worldwide, that's nearly 11 million albums sold in the past two years. Yep, her albums aren't selling much at all... exactly.people seem to fail to realise that rihanna is an huge album seller everywhere except US. And really in US she is a good album seller as well. She just isn't a mega seller but really mega sellers are exceptions |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 17:10:54 GMT -5
i'm not saying that she's not a big star of our days but ...not that much!!! I think i'm talking to people with ears... R u like her voice? (And i'm not talking about her concerts...it's laughing time!!!) Her concerts are peep shows! Enough of her ass. It's good but it needs rest! .....what. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 13, 2011 17:40:06 GMT -5
^^ We NEED a GIF that says "It's laughing time." Absolute necessity.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 13, 2011 18:27:36 GMT -5
Yes, because of changes in chart rules and such through the years (whether it be changes in methodology or points values), that's why it's best to use inverse point systems for ranking tracks. Billboard improved all-time lists even more when it started weighing pre-BDS/-SoundScan-era tracks differently, because it's simply not right to compare hits' runs from before that to ones after.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 18:43:57 GMT -5
I would argue that even comparing last week to this week straight up is not completely accurate.
The music market is not a constant and changes from week to week. It is not always true that last weeks #2 is a less popular song than this weeks #1 for example.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 13, 2011 18:59:02 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. It's the same with albums- we've seen No. 2 albums sell more in a week than many No., 1 albums.
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Post by musik... on Nov 13, 2011 19:17:37 GMT -5
i'm not saying that she's not a big star of our days but ...not that much!!! I think i'm talking to people with ears... R u like her voice? (And i'm not talking about her concerts...it's laughing time!!!) Her concerts are peep shows! Enough of her ass. It's good but it needs rest! Umm... ??? Oh, absolutely. It's the same with albums- we've seen No. 2 albums sell more in a week than many No., 1 albums. Random request, but does anyone happen to know the largest weekly sales for a number two album? |
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Post by kingofpain on Nov 13, 2011 19:29:55 GMT -5
That's amazing... Rihanna's second single gets radio support right out of the gate with the aid of a CC deal... and artists like Jessie J and Selena Gomez get miniscule gains.
I like Rihanna, hell, I love WFL, but YDO is crap - this isn't the type of single I would think radio would want to get behind and push like this. This is ridiculous and unworthy of such hoopla.
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Post by CammyCan on Nov 13, 2011 19:34:32 GMT -5
If Jessie J and Selena's record labels had enough faith in them, they would get the same support. Tough shit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 19:38:58 GMT -5
Tough shit is right.
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Post by nighttime on Nov 13, 2011 19:39:05 GMT -5
I cannot fathom believing You Da One isn't something radio would want to get behind but Jessie J and Selena Gomez material is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 19:46:12 GMT -5
Rihanna team is doing absolutely everything to secure another#1. They are such mnipulators, clear channel is the new thing they're doing. I think "You da One" would get to #1 on its own however they want her to replace herself at #1. Most likely after it replaces WFL at #1 it'll fall off and probably return to the summit once it's AirPlay is at its highest What is the big deal about replacing yourself at #1? Yes, it was a big deal when only Elvis and the Beatles had managed to do it for many, many years, but now there are a number of acts who have replaced themselves at #1. It's become much more commonplace. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 19:48:53 GMT -5
If radio played Jessie J and Selena Gomez's new singles once an hour people would stop listening. Radio knows that listeners want to hear "Born This Way" and "You Da One" because they're the new singles by the biggest artists in the world. You can waffle on about deals all you want but radio stations aren't going to risk jeopardising their listeners and advertisers. People want to hear these songs, so they get played a lot. The end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 19:50:43 GMT -5
Actually no one has replaced themself at #1 since the Black Eyed Peas from 2 and half years ago.
Also, she'd be the first female lead artist to do it.
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 13, 2011 19:54:09 GMT -5
I think "You da One" would get to #1 on its own however they want her to replace herself at #1. Most likely after it replaces WFL at #1 it'll fall off and probably return to the summit once it's AirPlay is at its highest What is the big deal about replacing yourself at #1? Yes, it was a big deal when only Elvis and the Beatles had managed to do it for many, many years, but now there are a number of acts who have replaced themselves at #1. It's become much more commonplace. Rihanna will be the first female artists to do this if she does manage to do it. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 13, 2011 20:13:31 GMT -5
People like Gaga and Rihanna just have the label support and connections and cash to get deals like this. It is the way the industry goes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 20:13:46 GMT -5
If radio played Jessie J and Selena Gomez's new singles once an hour people would stop listening. The end. +1. |
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Post by NeRD on Nov 13, 2011 22:02:03 GMT -5
The hate in hurrr is soooo thick. I just love how Rihanna's success makes everyone so bitter.
LMAO at people saying payola...DUH its the music business. How do you think someone managed to get 400+ updates with their first 5 singles? Its just the way the industry works..its not Rihanna's fault that your fav is too dumb to take advantage of this.
She gon' make all dem girls huh Bitches this era.
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Post by renfield75 on Nov 14, 2011 0:00:30 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. It's the same with albums- we've seen No. 2 albums sell more in a week than many No., 1 albums. Definitely. The sales for Cake and Amos Lee's number one albums from earlier this year would barely have gotten them in the top 5 (or ten even) during many other weeks. Didn't NSync's first album sell half a million around Christmas '98 and still stalled at no. 2? I may be thinking of the wrong album, but I believe that was the record for #2. |
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 14, 2011 1:04:59 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. It's the same with albums- we've seen No. 2 albums sell more in a week than many No., 1 albums. Definitely. The sales for Cake and Amos Lee's number one albums from earlier this year would barely have gotten them in the top 5 (or ten even) during many other weeks. Didn't NSync's first album sell half a million around Christmas '98 and still stalled at no. 2? I may be thinking of the wrong album, but I believe that was the record for #2. Carrie Underwood's Some Hearts sold 400k at #4 during Christmas week 2005. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 2:51:31 GMT -5
January 6, 2001 (Christmas Week of 2000)
1. 1,258,667 1 Beatles
2. 724,067 BLACK AND BLUE Backstreet Boys
3. 688,339 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 5 Various
I beleive that's the record for a #2 (and #3) album (however I'm not sure for a #2 album that never went #1)
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And for non holiday week, the second week of OIDIA has that one:
June 10, 2000
1. 1,760,049 THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP Eminem
2. 612,420 OOPS!...I DID IT AGAIN Britney Spears
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Post by felipe on Nov 14, 2011 5:32:02 GMT -5
Rihanna team is doing absolutely everything to secure another#1. They are such mnipulators, clear channel is the new thing they're doing. What's "clear channel"? |
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