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Post by badrobot on Nov 22, 2011 17:01:42 GMT -5
So, there is once again a teeeeny tiny chance that Adele could hang in the top 5 -- she'd need about a 50% gain (not entirely impossible) and Daughtry would need to come in the low end of expectations (I expect Nickelback/Buble/Rihanna/Drake will be the top 4 all with 180+), but it's remotely possible.
Unless there is another album that would also do better. I forget where Susan Boyle stood last week, for example.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 22, 2011 17:03:08 GMT -5
I think these numbers will go higher.
Albums were out on Monday, but most consumers are used to having albums out on Tuesday.
With Black Friday sales, these numbers will go higher.
No need to panic, but since this is Pulse, people panic.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 22, 2011 17:05:44 GMT -5
So I purchased Rihanna's album & Mr. Buble's album from Amazon last Friday. Do both count for this week, or did Michael's count for last week, even though both weren't shipped until yesterday? Michael's counted for last week. Rihanna's sale will be counted for this week since it just came out on Monday. You did a pre-order.
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Post by I Wish on Nov 22, 2011 17:08:20 GMT -5
So I purchased Rihanna's album & Mr. Buble's album from Amazon last Friday. Do both count for this week, or did Michael's count for last week, even though both weren't shipped until yesterday? Michael's counted for last week. Rihanna's sale will be counted for this week since it just came out on Monday. You did a pre-order. That's what I thought, thanks. :)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 22, 2011 17:08:34 GMT -5
Rihanna's album isn't selling due to the price as well as the length of the project. Perhaps some consumers don't see it worth their money compared to past projects? What are you talking about? I'm sure the album is $9.99 at both Best Buy and Target. That's the usual sale price for all new releases... I know Rihanna's album was not listed in the Best Buy/Target circulars. *goes to the Rihanna thread*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 17:09:17 GMT -5
Low numbers all around. Hope Buble get's the #1 now :) Rihanna is confusing, but I see her like Katy....and in the end as long as they get consistent radio play they will sell well.
But I still remember when Bey opened at 310k and everyone was shitting so hard, doesn't look so bad all things considered :)
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Post by asg4 on Nov 22, 2011 17:11:19 GMT -5
^Yes. I edited my post to comment on the price comment. Whatchu talkin' about, DarkDrag? :) he was expecting the 99cent treatment from amazon
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 22, 2011 17:12:29 GMT -5
WHY do people act like these estimates are law?
That HITS' estimates are always correct and there cannot be any deviation?
Relax...
I'm waiting for the Wednesday estimates.
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Post by California Cheers on Nov 22, 2011 17:16:53 GMT -5
WHY do people act like these estimates are law? That HITS' estimates are always correct and there cannot be any deviation? Relax... I'm waiting for the Wednesday estimates. im sure everyone's gonna trend upward
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 17:17:54 GMT -5
For those who bought the Rihanna album with all the hits on it, Do you like it? Do you enjoy the music?
That should be the most important thing here. Not whether it hits 180K or 280K or whatever. If that is important then 180K is not too bad and it is loaded with hits that will keep the album going for a while. It just won't be the mega-seller that everyone wants it to be.
I don't think I have even seen a album release by a female pop singer, since I have been here that has opened with numbers that pleased everybody.
But hey, by middle of next year, there ought to be another Rihanna album out so we could try again then too :o
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 17:26:36 GMT -5
^Yes. I edited my post to comment on the price comment. Whatchu talkin' about, DarkDrag? :) The in store prices. Well apparently the standard is now $9.99 (I'm pretty sure it was $11.99 yesterday) at Bestbuy and it's $12.29 at Target. The deluxe on the other hand is a whopping $16.99 at Bestbuy. Also, she isn't listed in either store circulars; consequently, causing less of an awareness for her album.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 17:28:02 GMT -5
Rihanna's album isn't selling due to the price as well as the length of the project. Perhaps some consumers don't see it worth their money compared to past projects? Eh I guess, I heard her album was about $3 more expensive than others but I doubt price has that much power. I just think in addition to the clear factors as to why she will never be a big opener, this era being rush-job probably dampened her projection about 10-15k. Her album is not in any of the major stores circulars because labels usually send those to stores about 3 weeks in advance and the album wasn't even completed at that point. The promotion was pretty terrible here too.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 22, 2011 17:37:37 GMT -5
Wow.....I predicted Rihanna to open with lower numbers than Loud but than quickly changed it when I remembered it's Black Friday week. Really surprised by her numbers. It isn't bad though I guess, she's never a huge opener. Mary's numbers . Not surprising though, she had no buzz or hit singles. So looking at the big picture, I guess it's not bad. Underwhelming week all around.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Nov 22, 2011 17:42:40 GMT -5
i was waiting to see low numbers, but i'm satisfied!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 18:05:28 GMT -5
We were having almost this exact same conversation last year when discussing Loud's opening numbers, lol. I see TTT selling similarly to Loud in the long run because the album is not lacking in singles potential.
I believe Rihanna is one of those people for whom the time of year an album is released really doesn't affect her opening numbers. She could have released her album in the third week of January and she likely would have opened with the same, then continue to sell steadily based on singles success. I agree that her promotion has been almost nonexistent for this era (literally just one performance a week ago) but I'm not sure that would have made a major difference for her.
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Post by Living Legend on Nov 22, 2011 18:06:42 GMT -5
I have a feeling Michael Buble will climb to the top this week. I see him getting a lot of impulse purchases while everyone is shopping on Black Friday. My guess for Top 5:
1. Michael Buble (300,000) 2. Nickelback (250,000) 3. Drake (200,000) 4. Rihanna (190,000) 5. Daughtry (160,000)
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 22, 2011 18:31:36 GMT -5
Nickelback & Rihanna will eaisly hit platnium in the long run which im happy about. Daughtry has a fair chance of hitting gold. Mary might miss gold. not too surprised at the numbers
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Post by Black Jesus on Nov 22, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -5
I can't believe Rihanna isn't even going to pull 200k WITH Black Friday and a smash on the radio right now. That is crazy. She really is a singles artist.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Nov 22, 2011 18:36:09 GMT -5
The predictions arent finshed.
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Post by Jack on Nov 22, 2011 18:45:57 GMT -5
I did expect better numbers from RiRi, not going to lie.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 22, 2011 18:48:27 GMT -5
I did expect better numbers from RiRi, not going to lie. So did I. Except for 2009, she always gets more famous and successful than the year before.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 22, 2011 18:49:48 GMT -5
I doubt price has that much power. It could be argued that it contributed to hurting Mariah's Memoirs. That album had a price too high and it saw increases only when it was discounted. Albums are too expensive. Their prices should be reduced and not only during the first week or for discounts. Seriously I've seen reduced prices at like $9.99 when that should be the full price instead (even less like $8 is better). Here in Italy they cost even more (€12/14)
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Post by camm on Nov 22, 2011 18:53:10 GMT -5
Rihanna will be fine. Other artists have debuted at #1 (Beyonce and Britney) and the still have not sold 1 million.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 18:54:20 GMT -5
Beyonce has basically sold a million, so don't even try to drag her name into this.
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Post by d.t.m on Nov 22, 2011 18:55:24 GMT -5
We were having almost this exact same conversation last year when discussing Loud's opening numbers, lol. I see TTT selling similarly to Loud in the long run because the album is not lacking in singles potential. I believe Rihanna is one of those people for whom the time of year an album is released really doesn't affect her opening numbers. She could have released her album in the third week of January and she likely would have opened with the same, then continue to sell steadily based on singles success. I agree that her promotion has been almost nonexistent for this era (literally just one performance a week ago) but I'm not sure that would have made a major difference for her. I actually agree. She could have just released this set 2 weeks ago to take on Mac Miller.
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Post by leoapp on Nov 22, 2011 18:55:29 GMT -5
Rihanna is not about big first week sales but longevity. Although 180k is a bit disappointing.
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Post by TGIF on Nov 22, 2011 18:55:51 GMT -5
We were having almost this exact same conversation last year when discussing Loud's opening numbers, lol. I see TTT selling similarly to Loud in the long run because the album is not lacking in singles potential. I believe Rihanna is one of those people for whom the time of year an album is released really doesn't affect her opening numbers. She could have released her album in the third week of January and she likely would have opened with the same, then continue to sell steadily based on singles success. I agree that her promotion has been almost nonexistent for this era (literally just one performance a week ago) but I'm not sure that would have made a major difference for her. yeah i think she would sell the same any other time too ... 4th quarter is the busiest time of the year but i still think artists that had big first weeks then woulda had big weeks any other time of the year too. & its kinda dumb of someone to call her a singles artist b/c of first week sales lol .. she always has super consistent eras that end up being one of the top selling pop albums of the year. her, Katy, Gaga & Adele are the only ones making noise on the album charts & Rihanna is gonna have a huge worldwide first week anyways
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 22, 2011 19:00:17 GMT -5
Saying Rihanna isn't an album seller because she doesn't have a big opening is a bit crazy. She consistently sells platinum and higher (even with her "flop" era). That is an album seller in this day and age.
Now if she has four or five hit singles and doesn't cross platinum, then we have an issue. This era is consistent with Loud, when she had a big hit and another one rising at the time. And with that era she had way more promo.
I'm shocked at Mary's numbers tbqh. I figured her loyal fanbase would at least get her to 200,000. She'll be lucky to go gold with this album.
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Post by asg4 on Nov 22, 2011 19:03:28 GMT -5
Saying Rihanna isn't an album seller because she doesn't have a big opening is a bit crazy. She consistently sells platinum and higher (even with her "flop" era). That is an album seller in this day and age. Now if she has four or five hit singles and doesn't cross platinum, then we have an issue. This era is consistent with Loud, when she had a big hit and another one rising at the time. And with that era she had way more promo. I'm shocked at Mary's numbers tbqh. I figured her loyal fanbase would at least get her to 200,000. She'll be lucky to go gold with this album. if rihanna doesnt generate many hits from this album it wont go platinum
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 19:08:33 GMT -5
Rihanna is not an album seller. Singles flop or underperform --> album flops or underperform.
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