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Post by hazuki on Nov 22, 2011 19:27:28 GMT -5
So whats the numbers on Javier Colon?
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Post by leoapp on Nov 22, 2011 19:28:49 GMT -5
Weird how Rihanna is always a better albums seller outside US despite she has most hits in US. See how Loud sold like 6 million and only 1 milion from US.
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Post by nighttime on Nov 22, 2011 19:28:52 GMT -5
Rihanna is not an album seller. Singles flop or underperform --> album flops or underperform. Anything to support this conclusion? All four of her last albums have done well to my understanding. Rihanna actually seems to sell a consistent amount of albums regardless of how varied the success of her singles are. Russian Roulette flopped and Only Girl was a hit, yet their respective albums still opened and sold in the same vicinity. Rated R only had one true smash, yet it still went platinum. Yes, I know, the trite theory that album success without single success is somehow more valuable than successfully maintaining both....
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Post by camm on Nov 22, 2011 19:30:19 GMT -5
Beyonce has basically sold a million, so don't even try to drag her name into this. I am stating facts. 4 is basically a flop for Beyonce standards.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 19:38:58 GMT -5
I don't see how your opinion is stating facts. The album isn't a flop. The album will pass a million in a couple of weeks. Yes, an underperforming album for Beyonce, but not a flop in any way. Rihanna is not an album seller. Singles flop or underperform --> album flops or underperform. Anything to support this conclusion? All four of her last albums have done well to my understanding. Rihanna actually seems to sell a consistent amount of albums regardless of how varied the success of her singles are. Russian Roulette flopped and Only Girl was a hit, yet their respective albums still opened and sold in the same vicinity. Rated R only had one true smash, yet it still went platinum. Yes, I know, the trite theory that album success without single success is somehow more valuable than successfully maintaining both.... Before "Rude Boy" came along, the album was on the road to FLOPSVILLE. Proof enough. Also, they opened with similar numbers because Rihanna was riding the hype from GGGB, so the flop single didn't have a huge, immediate effect. Loud had a hit single, so that built up her base a bit to debut with similar numbers.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Nov 22, 2011 19:39:53 GMT -5
Beyonce has basically sold a million, so don't even try to drag her name into this. I am stating facts. 4 is basically a flop for Beyonce standards. Flopping & underperforming are 2 different things...
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Post by nighttime on Nov 22, 2011 20:00:30 GMT -5
I don't see how your opinion is stating facts. The album isn't a flop. The album will pass a million in a couple of weeks. Yes, an underperforming album for Beyonce, but not a flop in any way. Anything to support this conclusion? All four of her last albums have done well to my understanding. Rihanna actually seems to sell a consistent amount of albums regardless of how varied the success of her singles are. Russian Roulette flopped and Only Girl was a hit, yet their respective albums still opened and sold in the same vicinity. Rated R only had one true smash, yet it still went platinum. Yes, I know, the trite theory that album success without single success is somehow more valuable than successfully maintaining both.... Before "Rude Boy" came along, the album was on the road to FLOPSVILLE. Proof enough. The week prior to Rude Boy entering the Hot 100 at #67, Rated R had tallied 700k in it's 2.5 months and was still in the top 20 on the Billboard 200. Is that really FLOPSVILLE? You seem adamant that Beyonce's 4 is not sitting outside the top 40 on HITS this week, 5 months in and still not over the million milestone. Which I'm in agreement with you on to clarify.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 20:06:56 GMT -5
Beyonce is so irrelevant to this entire thread that anyone else who brings her name up in here is getting warned. That is obviously headed nowhere but fanwarring and attempts at dragging that I am just not in the mood for.
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Post by CammyCan on Nov 22, 2011 20:13:43 GMT -5
Does anyone have a list of the highest ranking live albums of the past few years? Would be interesting to see how Taylor's faring, those seem like really great numbers.
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Post by California Cheers on Nov 22, 2011 20:13:49 GMT -5
Weird how Rihanna is always a better albums seller outside US despite she has most hits in US. See how Loud sold like 6 million and only 1 milion from US. 1.5m
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 20:19:07 GMT -5
I don't see how your opinion is stating facts. The album isn't a flop. The album will pass a million in a couple of weeks. Yes, an underperforming album for Beyonce, but not a flop in any way. Before "Rude Boy" came along, the album was on the road to FLOPSVILLE. Proof enough. The week prior to Rude Boy entering the Hot 100 at #67, Rated R had tallied 700k in it's 2.5 months and was still in the top 20 on the Billboard 200. Is that really FLOPSVILLE? You seem adamant that Beyonce's 4 is not sitting outside the top 40 on HITS this week, 5 months in and still not over the million milestone. Which I'm in agreement with you on to clarify. Yes. She was on the road to flopsville with that album. I don't see how you can justify otherwise, especially in the context of the random comparison you seem adamant on making. However, I will end this with you right now.
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Post by California Cheers on Nov 22, 2011 20:22:35 GMT -5
The week prior to Rude Boy entering the Hot 100 at #67, Rated R had tallied 700k in it's 2.5 months and was still in the top 20 on the Billboard 200. Is that really FLOPSVILLE? You seem adamant that Beyonce's 4 is not sitting outside the top 40 on HITS this week, 5 months in and still not over the million milestone. Which I'm in agreement with you on to clarify. Yes. She was on the road to flopsville with that album. I don't see how you can justify otherwise, especially in the context of the random comparison you seem adamant on making. However, I will end this with you right now. Rated R was still gonna be platinum..you guys can claim she's this or that but every since AGLM she has been going platinum annually with each album..that's consistency
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Post by leoapp on Nov 22, 2011 20:27:39 GMT -5
Weird how Rihanna is always a better albums seller outside US despite she has most hits in US. See how Loud sold like 6 million and only 1 milion from US. 1.5m Ah, yes. Not to say she's a single artist. She's been very consistent to have consecutive platinum albums in US. even with only 1 big hit (Rude Boy from Rated R). If people consider her as a single artist, then what do you say about Jason DeRulo? In US, Rihanna is not a huge album seller, but far from being a single artist. Who cares about #1 album? The best selling female album of all time never hit #1 (Shania Twain) Even The Fame didn't hit #1. And Cake hit #1 with like 44k?
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Post by SuRvIvOr on Nov 22, 2011 20:28:24 GMT -5
Rihanna has a #1 album in her ( amazing ) career?
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 20:30:17 GMT -5
...all I said was that she's not an album pusher.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 20:31:26 GMT -5
Yes. She was on the road to flopsville with that album. I don't see how you can justify otherwise, especially in the context of the random comparison you seem adamant on making. However, I will end this with you right now. Rated R was still gonna be platinum..you guys can claim she's this or that but every since AGLM she has been going platinum annually with each album..that's consistency She's very consistent. I think some people are just surprised that a girl that litterally shits out #1 smashes, has trouble selling over 200k the first week. Katy got the same "heat" when her album dropped. Rihanna isn't an album artist but she's not solely a single's artist either. SIngle artist's are like FloRida, Jason DeRulo, Taio Cruz, ect where they are selling under 500k total even after 3-4 radio smashes. Rihanna to me is a radio artist(same with Katy). She doesn't have the huge superstar opening, but as long as the album has hit's she's going to sell in the long run(which in the end is the bottom line).
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Nov 22, 2011 20:32:58 GMT -5
These gurls are really trying it today.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 22, 2011 20:33:05 GMT -5
I don't see how what he just said is any different from what I said.
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Post by Honeymoon on Nov 22, 2011 20:37:00 GMT -5
Rihanna's projection is fine. But I hope at least one of these albums (or Buble at least) hits 300k for Black Friday week and doesn't this week typically have an all 100k+ top ten?
I'm sure these projections will trend upwards, HITS is normally pretty off Black Friday and Christmas week in their estimates
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Post by Honeymoon on Nov 22, 2011 20:38:42 GMT -5
And that's a pretty solid number for Daughtry considering the lack of hits/radio support/buzz they have for this album. Hopefully it holds up well through the season
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Post by Rurry on Nov 22, 2011 20:39:12 GMT -5
Cool it off in here guys. I don't mind the discussion about Rihanna's sales but let's keep it civil.
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Post by Honeymoon on Nov 22, 2011 20:40:23 GMT -5
(sorry for third post in a row) but the most surprising projection for me here is Mary J. I would've guessed she could do at least 300k with all the promo singles she's been releasing the past 6 months (and that it's been getting a pretty good response compared to the last couple albums)
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Post by Rodze on Nov 22, 2011 20:43:29 GMT -5
No one cares, but the blurb has been updated to include Bob Seger:
Nickelback (Roadrunner) 225-250k Rihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 180-200k Daughtry (19/RCA) 140-160k Mary J. Blige (Geffen) 120-140k Big Time Rush (Nickelodeon/Columbia) 90-110k Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 75-90k Michael Jackson (Epic) 50-60k Bob Seger, Ultimate Hits (Capitol) 50-55k Yelawolf (Ghet-O-Vision/Shady/Interscope) 40-50k (11/22p)
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Post by pokepikalem on Nov 22, 2011 20:52:07 GMT -5
Rihi won't get that #1 in Jan as long as Adele is there.
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Post by Choco on Nov 22, 2011 20:55:41 GMT -5
I hope Rihanna is able to hit at least 210k so it debuts with a higher total than Loud. It's a pretty good (but short) album.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 22, 2011 21:07:45 GMT -5
Hmm......I'll wait for the later estimates.
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Post by lugus15 on Nov 22, 2011 21:14:33 GMT -5
Rihanna's numbers are not surprising. True, she has a huge hit right now, but this album (just 1 year after her last one) feels like an extension of her last one (a la The Fame Monster or Cannibal).
What is funny is that people drag Lady GaGa week after week about her declining sales, etc, but still she is the only pure Pop Female artist that can sell more than 2 millions albums (specially considering that she hasn't had a huge radio hit this era).
And last but not least, Adele's monster sales were truly a blessing this year for the gains of % of music sales compared to last year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 21:16:58 GMT -5
Hmm......I'll wait for the later estimates. It coud drift up or down some but it won't be earth shattering. Nickelback will still be ahead
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Post by lugus15 on Nov 22, 2011 21:21:28 GMT -5
Regarding Nickelback, I'm still amazing by how much they still are able to sell.
True, they sure took a hit on their last album (in respect of her Blockbuster of 2005) but still being able to sell 3m+ with no hit and/or critical acclaim is amazing.
They are going to take a hit this time around too, but still I see them going 1-1.5m when all is said and done.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 22, 2011 21:24:26 GMT -5
Hmm......I'll wait for the later estimates. It coud drift up or down some but it won't be earth shattering. Nickelback will still be ahead I realize that. I'm just looking for her to at least match the first week sales of Loud.
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