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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 21:42:12 GMT -5
What I find funny is that every major female this year but Adele has faced criticism with their first week. People were disappointed with Britney's and Katy's and now Rihanna's, people said Beyonce's flopped and Lady Gaga's first week has been plagued and overshadowed by the Amazon criticism. No matter how much anyone wants to defend, there will still be detractors. There will always people on both sides of the fence in all those cases debating.
I'm just wondering if there's any diva stans that can ever have peace whenever an album drops. Really just Adele and she has no legit stans here to even relish in her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 22:07:02 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if there's any diva stans that can ever have peace whenever an album drops. Really just Adele and she has no legit stans here to even relish in her. ;)
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Post by Oprah on Nov 22, 2011 22:19:36 GMT -5
I don't think Rihanna's numbers are that surprising. The circumstances with this album's release are similar to Loud's, and that also didn't sell big in its debut week. It's just not doable for her here.
I'm really disappointed with Mary's numbers but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I'm sure they'll all trend up, anyway.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 22, 2011 22:24:40 GMT -5
Rihi won't get that #1 in Jan as long as Adele is there. True...Set fire to the rain will begin to impact :'(
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Post by Oprah on Nov 22, 2011 22:40:15 GMT -5
I think Drake will consistently outsell her week to week, as will Buble till Christmas.
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Post by DJ General on Nov 22, 2011 23:01:05 GMT -5
This is one of the hardest weeks to predict. These are really early estimates. I imagine many of them will be up a lot higher.
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Post by vantiboy3 on Nov 22, 2011 23:33:03 GMT -5
WTH?? Its like i woke up to a BAD dream! Those numbers cannot be true. The whole year music sales were great and inspiring, but comes THIS week, one of the most talked about weeks in the year, and it just flops. Oh.
And Mary J Blige????? Girl, 120k is beneath you!! What happened? My poor Mary!
What the hell is going on??
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Post by asg4 on Nov 22, 2011 23:33:58 GMT -5
What I find funny is that every major female this year but Adele has faced criticism with their first week. People were disappointed with Britney's and Katy's and now Rihanna's, people said Beyonce's flopped and Lady Gaga's first week has been plagued and overshadowed by the Amazon criticism. No matter how much anyone wants to defend, there will still be detractors. There will always people on both sides of the fence in all those cases debating. I'm just wondering if there's any diva stans that can ever have peace whenever an album drops. Really just Adele and she has no legit stans here to even relish in her. let me be the legit stan. adeles second single is way too boring
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 23:39:14 GMT -5
WTH?? Its like i woke up to a BAD dream! Those numbers cannot be true. The whole year music sales were great and inspiring, but comes THIS week, one of the most talked about weeks in the year, and it just flops. Oh. And Mary J Blige????? Girl, 120k is beneath you!! What happened? My poor Mary! What the hell is going on?? Of the million Rihanna fans that comitted to buying the album on the first day, 820,000 stayed home???? Just guessing
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 22, 2011 23:46:03 GMT -5
RiRi is an example of someone who sees big singles success, but does not see album sales comparable with that level of singles success. Her albums perform acceptably in the long run, and consistency is important.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 23:49:54 GMT -5
I'm actually really, really shocked with Rihanna's projection, seeing as We Found Love has blown up on radio. Hopefully these are just merely skimpy estimates at best, because I'd love to see her crack 200k, at the very, very least. I can't stand to see Nickelback get the #1. Just... no.On the plus side, James no1currbin is nowhere to be found (as expected), which will hopefully cool the stans he has. Rihi won't get that #1 in Jan as long as Adele is there. True...Set fire to the rain will begin to impact :'( That song will be monstrous.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 23, 2011 0:22:04 GMT -5
I don't know why we scrutinize Rihanna's first week sales every era. I swear I read this same debate last year when "Loud" was released. "Only Girl" & "What's My Name" were both BLOWING UP at the same time and yet she scanned "only" 207k. There is nothing shocking abut these #s because she does the same thing every year. ???
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Post by microcuts on Nov 23, 2011 0:29:39 GMT -5
I wonder where Kate Bush will end up. Her first album of new material in 6 years just came out this week, but she's relatively unknown in the US so top 50 might be even asking a lot.
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Post by Positive Tension on Nov 23, 2011 0:41:02 GMT -5
RiRi is an example of someone who sees big singles success, but does not see album sales comparable with that level of singles success. Her albums perform acceptably in the long run, and consistency is important. I agree with this. GGGB and Loud never racked up huge sales weeks, but they remained in the top half of the chart for quite some time. As long as Rihanna has three-four hit singles from this album, it should sell 1 million copies in the US. Worldwide, Rihanna's album sales have been pretty damn impressive, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 0:43:39 GMT -5
What is funny is that people drag Lady GaGa week after week about her declining sales, etc, but still she is the only pure Pop Female artist that can sell more than 2 millions albums (specially considering that she hasn't had a huge radio hit this era). BTW & EOG never existed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 0:48:06 GMT -5
And if present day rules existed when this album was released, we wouldn't be looking at 2 million right now, we would be looking at something a little less
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 23, 2011 0:51:18 GMT -5
^ That's an irrelevant point tbh.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Nov 23, 2011 0:52:49 GMT -5
Yeah, every album that Rihanna releases opens in the same ball park (from GGGB to TTT) and every opening is met with the same shock and awe reactions and claims that she can't sell albums. Then she consistently goes on to push a respectable amount each time aided with an assload of hits. By the dramatic responses you'd think she was in Flo Rida/Taio Cruz/Jason DeRulo territory. Those are the truest examples of "singles artists" - certainly not someone who consistently hits Platinum domestically and is among the biggest selling artists in the world of any genre. We'll be repeating this same dramatic cycle with her next release. Yawn.
Mary J's numbers are not at all surprising either given how hard of a time she's had launching this project. She's really fallen off in terms of knowing her market and catering to it. Daughtry and Nickelback have both lost a lot of mainstream attention so their numbers are expected as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 0:56:52 GMT -5
^ That's an irrelevant point to be honest. OK, granted the point of the OP was probably not to draw attention to the 2 million number
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Post by lugus15 on Nov 23, 2011 1:06:56 GMT -5
And if present day rules existed when this album was released, we wouldn't be looking at 2 million right now, we would be looking at something a little less Please, IF present day rules existed, then I bet a lot of the Pre-Soundscan albums would be having ¨little less¨ numbers than their RIAA certifications say. Point it, present day rules are IRRELEVANT when pointing out PAST achievements.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 23, 2011 3:32:09 GMT -5
very happy for Nickelback!
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Post by ontheroadwith on Nov 23, 2011 5:01:41 GMT -5
I find it funny that people gave Kelly Clarkson such a hard time for her "low" debut at 170,000 and blamed it all on MKIA. Looks like Rihanna isn't doing much better with a massive hit. Just proves that she is a singles artist where as Kelly is seemingly more of an album artist.
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Post by leoapp on Nov 23, 2011 5:51:43 GMT -5
I don't know why an artist like Rihanna is considered as a single artists despite she has a consecutive of platinum albums. She's no Jason Derulo, Taio Cruz. But she's also no Adele, Taylor Swift. Rihanna is neither a single artist nor an album artist. She's just doing fine.
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Post by vantiboy3 on Nov 23, 2011 6:33:20 GMT -5
Fine is a bit polite, don't you think? The issue that people have with the whole "Rihanna first week sales thing" is: *the general consensus is that a HUGE first single leads to huge first week sales. HUGE being a massive airplay and Itunes hit. *when other artist underperform first week, it is generally blamed on the success of the first single.
Rihanna almost always has a HUGE lead single, but it just doesn't boil over to large first week sales.
And DEAD at people bringing in Rihanna's total sales, while people are talking about her first week sales. Her sales in the long run is not the point. Obviously her follow up singles are to thank for her platinum sales. EVERYBODY wants to know WHY her albums cant seem to hit a homerun from the starting blocks. ESPECIALLY now, with her current single being HUGE.
The general conclusion thus is: Artists with the same single success as Rihanna enjoy multi platinum albums, whereas she sells just fine. Rihanna thus is primarily a Singles Artist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 6:38:30 GMT -5
I think we might just have to get used to the fact that 200k first week, 1.5M total is huge sales in 2011. We appear to be entering a period where that is as big as it gets, apart from for a couple of artists who can sell a million first week. It seems like there's rarely anything in the middle anymore.
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Post by vantiboy3 on Nov 23, 2011 6:46:34 GMT -5
Agreed. But still:
Should we assume that if Rihanna doesn't have massive follow up singles (like she always has), that she won't be getting those 1.5 million sellers?
Rihanna fans seem to think that she will sell 1.5 million regardless of whether she debuts 200k in the first week and whether she has huge follow up singles.
Because when when people start talking about her first week sales, they bring in her total sales in the long run.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 23, 2011 6:52:59 GMT -5
What surprises me the most is that she never seems to get past 200-250k while many superstars (Britney, Beyonce, Kanye West, Drake, Jay-Z, Carrie Underwood, Coldplay...) are able to do 300-400k right out of the gate not to mention Lil Wayne, Eminem, Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga.
My explanation is that she doesn't really have that much hard core fans. She's competing with Kelly Clarkson and Janet Jackson in that category. But as a celebrity, she's a huge star. I for example do follow her, enjoy her music and even saw her concert last summer but have never bought her album.
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Post by vantiboy3 on Nov 23, 2011 6:55:09 GMT -5
Lets not forget Alicia Keys.
And i agree wholeheartedly with you spoilt.
It is the enigma that is Rihanna guess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 6:59:09 GMT -5
Because when when people start talking about her first week sales, they bring in her total sales in the long run. What's wrong with that? That's completely natural and happens with every artist. It makes even more sense with Rihanna, as her album sales haven't been frontloaded and she's a consistent seller. What surprises me the most is that she never seems to get past 200-250k while many superstars (Britney, Beyonce, Kanye West, Drake, Jay-Z, Carrie Underwood, Coldplay...) are able to do 300-400k right out of the gate not to mention Lil Wayne, Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga. But the majority of those artists' first weeks are now falling album to album. I think it's at least somewhat impressive that while most established acts' openings are getting smaller every time in tandem with overall album sales, that Rihanna stays largely consistent.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 23, 2011 7:01:59 GMT -5
The most interesting aspect here is that in the UK she's on her way to sell 150k and given the difference in population that's huge gap between her first week demand between these two markets.
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