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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 14, 2012 10:01:43 GMT -5
What has Britney done to deserve that #11 place in your opinion? Well, she's outsold everyone infront of her other than Whitney, Madonna and Mariah, had tons of iconic performances, helped shape teen pop during the late 90's, and helped start the current dance trend. She should be higher than at least a few of the people infront of her... My post was a response to another that put her in relation to a legend like Mary and said that she was too high at #9, like she didn't deserve that place. I know Britney's been influential for Pop music and she's had her iconic moments and her fair share of commercial success.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Feb 14, 2012 10:04:05 GMT -5
To say Bjork has had no influence whatsoever on popular music is just wrong. How has her music affected popular music? I never see her cited as an influence by anyone, but please tell me if I'm wrong. Hasn't GaGa cited her as an influence? I know for a fact that regina spektor has, and Ingrid Michaelson has, in turn, cited Regina as an influence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 10:19:36 GMT -5
Tons of artists have been influenced by Bjork. Lady Gaga, Goldfrapp, Regina Spektor, Gwen Stefani, Florence + The Machine, Moby, the Wu-Tang Clan. She even influenced the later work of artists who came out at the same time or before her like Radiohead, U2, Madonna (Bjork wrote "Bedtime Story" and her sound is all over that album).
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 14, 2012 10:23:56 GMT -5
^Yah- Madonna worked with Nellee Hooper on Bedtime Stories, and sought him out because of his work with Bjork. He co-produced five of the album's 11 tracks, though "Bedtime Story" is the obvious one with a "Bjork sound." The other four, not as much.
Acts like Bjork and PJ Harvey have not been huge commercial successes (especially in comparison to some of the big names), but that certainly has no bearing on their greatness.
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Post by silab on Feb 14, 2012 11:08:01 GMT -5
Wow at that list. If this list is from 1990 and focused on commercial success, the top 5 should have been 1) Mariah Carey 2-3) Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston 4) Celine Dion 5) Britney Spears
VH1 just lists whatever they want to make. They have no credibility whatsoever
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 14, 2012 11:21:17 GMT -5
IMO: Too high. I like a lot of these, but just don't think they've earned these placements (* or earned these placements yet). Too low. *Though in these cases, not by too much. To be clear, each of these too high/too low are taken individually in the contexts of the original list. For example, with this list, I think Britney's #11 is too low, but in an alternative list, I wouldn't have beef with her missing the top ten. So wait you think Britney at #11 is too low but Mary J. Blige at #9 is too high? It doesn't make sense. Mary is a legend, she's earned every bit of respect she gets, her music has helped people get through their struggles. What has Britney done to deserve that #11 place in your opinion? I already explained, in the bolded section, that each of my too high/too low picks were based individually off VH1's list, not where I would rank them. So with the list that VH1 created, I think Mary J. Blige is a little too high within the context of that list. By the same token, within the context of this list, I think Britney Spears is a little too low. However, I don't necessarily feel that Britney Spears deserves to be higher than Mary J. Blige in an alternative, more accurate list (though, the more I think about it, I might actually place Britney higher, but that's not really my point).
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Post by Kishi KCM on Feb 14, 2012 11:37:40 GMT -5
Wow at that list. If this list is from 1990 and focused on commercial success, the top 5 should have been 1) Mariah Carey 2-3) Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston 4) Celine Dion 5) Britney Spears VH1 just lists whatever they want to make. They have no credibility whatsoever Both Celine and Janet weren't included on the 100 Greatest Artists lists. DEAD @ Successica and Smashlee Simpson not being on the list. I think it would be fair to include them if some of these other chicks made it too. And a side note to all of the "stans": Any list is not going to make everyone happy. These lists are about MUSIC, not who is YOUR FAVORITE! And if your favorite made the list, quit complaining and find something better to do.
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Post by musicborn82 on Feb 14, 2012 11:38:56 GMT -5
So wait you think Britney at #11 is too low but Mary J. Blige at #9 is too high? It doesn't make sense. Mary is a legend, she's earned every bit of respect she gets, her music has helped people get through their struggles. What has Britney done to deserve that #11 place in your opinion? I already explained, in the bolded section, that each of my too high/too low picks were based individually off VH1's list, not where I would rank them. So with the list that VH1 created, I think Mary J. Blige is a little too high within the context of that list. By the same token, within the context of this list, I think Britney Spears is a little too low. However, I don't necessarily feel that Britney Spears deserves to be higher than Mary J. Blige in an alternative, more accurate list (though, the more I think about it, I might actually place Britney higher, but that's not really my point). LMBO.. Contradictory at it's finest.. I hope your occupation doesn't require you to think to heavily...
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 14, 2012 12:34:43 GMT -5
So wait you think Britney at #11 is too low but Mary J. Blige at #9 is too high? It doesn't make sense. Mary is a legend, she's earned every bit of respect she gets, her music has helped people get through their struggles. What has Britney done to deserve that #11 place in your opinion? I already explained, in the bolded section, that each of my too high/too low picks were based individually off VH1's list, not where I would rank them. So with the list that VH1 created, I think Mary J. Blige is a little too high within the context of that list. By the same token, within the context of this list, I think Britney Spears is a little too low. However, I don't necessarily feel that Britney Spears deserves to be higher than Mary J. Blige in an alternative, more accurate list (though, the more I think about it, I might actually place Britney higher, but that's not really my point). If the context of this list is 1990-present, then I'm not sure I get what you're saying. If anything that would give an advantage to Mary who came out in 1992 as opposed to Britney who first started in 1998. ???
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 14, 2012 12:37:06 GMT -5
Tons of artists have been influenced by Bjork. Lady Gaga, Goldfrapp, Regina Spektor, Gwen Stefani, Florence + The Machine, Moby, the Wu-Tang Clan. She even influenced the later work of artists who came out at the same time or before her like Radiohead, U2, Madonna (Bjork wrote "Bedtime Story" and her sound is all over that album). I respectfully retire what I said then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 12:41:04 GMT -5
If the context of this list is 1990-present, then I'm not sure I get what you're saying. If anything that would give an advantage to Mary who came out in 1992 as opposed to Britney who first started in 1998. ??? I believe he's speaking in the context of nudging around a crappy list to make it better, rather than just starting over again. So, if X is number A, then Y should be higher, even though Y wouldn't actually deserve to be that high if X had a more realistic placing on a new, more accurate list. Although that might have made it even more confusing.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 14, 2012 12:41:34 GMT -5
Wow at that list. If this list is from 1990 and focused on commercial success, the top 5 should have been 1) Mariah Carey 2-3) Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston 4) Celine Dion 5) Britney Spears VH1 just lists whatever they want to make. They have no credibility whatsoever Don't forget Madonna! Vogue single BA Tour JML video/single Bedtime Stories album/ Take A Bow #1 ROL album Music album
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 14, 2012 13:01:48 GMT -5
If the context of this list is 1990-present, then I'm not sure I get what you're saying. If anything that would give an advantage to Mary who came out in 1992 as opposed to Britney who first started in 1998. ??? I believe he's speaking in the context of nudging around a crappy list to make it better, rather than just starting over again. So, if X is number A, then Y should be higher, even though Y wouldn't actually deserve to be that high if X had a more realistic placing on a new, more accurate list. Although that might have made it even more confusing. I kind of got it now
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 14, 2012 13:34:48 GMT -5
He's perfectly clear about his meaning in his initial post. js...
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 14, 2012 13:38:13 GMT -5
I already explained, in the bolded section, that each of my too high/too low picks were based individually off VH1's list, not where I would rank them. So with the list that VH1 created, I think Mary J. Blige is a little too high within the context of that list. By the same token, within the context of this list, I think Britney Spears is a little too low. However, I don't necessarily feel that Britney Spears deserves to be higher than Mary J. Blige in an alternative, more accurate list (though, the more I think about it, I might actually place Britney higher, but that's not really my point). LMBO.. Contradictory at it's finest.. I hope your occupation doesn't require you to think to heavily... I suppose it is contradictory if you have poor reading comprehension. Unfortunately, I don't hope anything for you, so I guess we'll just leave it at that.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 14, 2012 13:47:07 GMT -5
He's perfectly clear about his meaning in his initial post. js... Then I'm the dumb one that can't read. Sorry Danny! :-\
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 14, 2012 13:48:49 GMT -5
He's perfectly clear about his meaning in his initial post. js... Then I'm the dumb one that can't read. Sorry Danny! :-\ You don't ever have to apologize to me, boo. I just hope it's clear now. :)
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Feb 14, 2012 14:04:03 GMT -5
#12 & #3
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 14, 2012 14:42:47 GMT -5
Possibly most importantly, areyouready, The Immaculate Collection. :)
There was no mention of how this new list was compiled, so it's looking like VH1 itself did compile it (as it did the Women of the Video Era list, without branching out and surveying acts, industry people, etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 16:39:37 GMT -5
Then why did they let the people vote? Seriously the last time I will EVER vote in one of VH1's "fan-voted" lists.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 14, 2012 16:43:43 GMT -5
^The voting thing was just for "fun"- it never said on the site that the votes would determine the list.
The list is pretty wacky, overall. But, that's partly because of the focus on 1990-present.
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Post by slw84 on Feb 14, 2012 17:50:24 GMT -5
Wow at that list. If this list is from 1990 and focused on commercial success, the top 5 should have been 1) Mariah Carey 2-3) Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston 4) Celine Dion 5) Britney Spears VH1 just lists whatever they want to make. They have no credibility whatsoever Both Celine and Janet weren't included on the 100 Greatest Artists lists. DEAD @ Successica and Smashlee Simpson not being on the list. I think it would be fair to include them if some of these other chicks made it too. And a side note to all of the "stans": Any list is not going to make everyone happy. These lists are about MUSIC, not who is YOUR FAVORITE! And if your favorite made the list, quit complaining and find something better to do. Wow, they are so forgettable that I didn't notice. So how many other female artist were shafted yet Pussycat dolls and Mandy moore are on the list. Again, Mandy effing Moore...
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 14, 2012 18:03:48 GMT -5
Possibly most importantly, areyouready, The Immaculate Collection. :) There was no mention of how this new list was compiled, so it's looking like VH1 itself did compile it (as it did the Women of the Video Era list, without branching out and surveying acts, industry people, etc.) Which is full of songs from the 80s which is why I didn't include it...
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Post by kirby2725 on Feb 14, 2012 19:30:29 GMT -5
If the list is based on success and strictly MUSICAL contribution, the #1 should no doubt be Mariah Carey, although I do feel Madonna has contributed more to pop culture as a whole in the past 25 years. It's tough.
As for Beyoncé, If you do take Destiny's Child into consideration, there is no question that Beyoncé soars above any of her peers. (By "peers" I mean anyone that started their career in, or after, 1997.) Her solo career alone should land her in the top 5 (Female Artist of the 2000s), and with the added influence of DC it makes COMPLETE sense that she landed at no. 3.
Lady Gaga should definitely be top 20. Top 10 is a stretch. Top 5 is ridiculous. I'd be comfortable with Adele in the 30s. Maybe in the top 20. Top 5, again, is ridiculous.
As for the rest of the top 10: Whitney, Mary J. Blige, Janet, and Pink make absolute total sense. Pink is the only pop princess of the late 90s/millenium that has kept her s**t together and maintained atop the global market across her whole career. She is a career artist and a powerhouse. I don't feel I need to defend the other three.
Christina definitely deserves top 15. I am okay with her in the top ten simply because she is (in my opinion) a powerhouse and overall a pretty groundbreaking vocalist.
As for Lady Gaga and Adele's replacements, Alicia Keys should no doubt be in the top 10. She's had five mega successful albums, and is the dominating force in 2000s R&B. As for slot #10, I think it should be between Britney, Alanis, TLC, and Gwen. I'm really leaning towards Gwen here, as rock doesn't have much of a presence in the top 10, and Gwen's contribution to pop culture is essential.
So, I think the top ten should've looked like:
1. Mariah Carey 2. Madonna 3. Beyoncé 4. Whitney Houston 5. Janet Jackson 6. Mary J. Blige 7. P!nk 8. Alicia Keys 9. Gwen Stefani 10. Christina Aguilera
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 14, 2012 19:33:51 GMT -5
As for Beyoncé, If you do take Destiny's Child into consideration, there is no question that Beyoncé soars above any of her peers. (By "peers" I mean anyone that started their career in, or after, 1997.) Her solo career alone should land her in the top 5 (Female Artist of the 2000s), and with the added influence of DC it makes COMPLETE sense that she landed at no. 3. Destiny's Child was listed separately, so it seems fair to separate Destiny's Child and Beyonce's accomplishments in making a new list, unless you would eliminate Destiny's Child entirely.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 14, 2012 22:54:58 GMT -5
Alot of the real legendary women are mentioned in the special as those "Too great to be ranked" so at least they get some airtime in between the modern / 90's based women.
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Post by KMJ1 on Feb 14, 2012 23:01:31 GMT -5
im truly confused by Gaga and Adele being as high as they are. Theyre both very popular..now...but not at all enough material to be as high ranked as they are
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Post by musik... on Feb 15, 2012 0:17:45 GMT -5
It turns out the final episode airs on April 1st with a final minute explanation that such a mockery of a "Greatest Women in Music" list is actually a huge April Fool's joke. Good one VH1, got me fooled!
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Post by Kishi KCM on Feb 15, 2012 0:43:17 GMT -5
Both Celine and Janet weren't included on the 100 Greatest Artists lists. DEAD @ Successica and Smashlee Simpson not being on the list. I think it would be fair to include them if some of these other chicks made it too. And a side note to all of the "stans": Any list is not going to make everyone happy. These lists are about MUSIC, not who is YOUR FAVORITE! And if your favorite made the list, quit complaining and find something better to do. Wow, they are so forgettable that I didn't notice. So how many other female artist were shafted yet Pussycat dolls and Mandy moore are on the list. Again, Mandy effing Moore... Jessica Simpson is WAY MORE successful than Mandy Moore. I'm so lost. I don't see Amerie, Tamia, Total, Willa Ford, Ciara, Keri Hilson, Olivia, Blu Cantrell, or Xscape on there! I think Kelis is on there but I'm not sure!
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Feb 15, 2012 1:33:37 GMT -5
Janet and Whitney ranked below Beyonce, Gaga, and Adele. AMAZING.
All inclusive, the top 4 should be:
1. Madonna 2. Janet Jackson 3. Whitney Houston 4. Mariah Carey
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