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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 15, 2012 22:21:27 GMT -5
doesn't that mean there will be a lot of songs flopping in and out of positions #40-51 quite often? Even after 20 weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:23:48 GMT -5
I don't think so - unless there is a suden surge in activity
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 15, 2012 22:25:48 GMT -5
I think this is completely unfair for Jeff Buckley and Michael Jackson. Billboard needs to get their s**t together and start being consistent. Too many changes recently. We can't even compare things now! Usher gets re-release singles counted from the original, but now Katy can't. Whitney's songs are allowed to re-enter and add more weeks to her songs, but the same can't be said for Michael. Now, I actually agree with re-release singles being counted separately and for allowing old songs to re-enter, but this is just ridiculous. We couldn't have made these changes back when these issues were first brought up? Why the change now when these issues have been around for years? Well unfortunately that's the nature of chart rules, it's a work in progress. I guess during those times Billboard felt it was just an isolated case or something so they didn't think it was a big of a deal but times change. It's unfair but that's it, we can't revise the charts of the past to adapt to the new rules to make it fair. It is what it is. Billboard would have to be completely insane to think what happened with Journey, Jeff Buckley, and Michael Jackson wouldn't be repeated. I mean, sure they didn't think the passing of other legends like Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc. wouldn't produce the same outcome as Michael's passing. Or when Journey was used in The Sopranos and Jeff Buckley in American Idol that those were just flukes. I just find it really odd they never thought of changing the rule back when things like this started happening. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the rule, but seriously... why now and not earlier?
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Post by leoapp on Feb 15, 2012 22:28:06 GMT -5
Hopefully, they will also change the rule for Xmas songs. I can't at AIWFCIY hitting top 10 on sales and airplay but still not allowed to re-chart at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:32:37 GMT -5
So AIWFCIY has to be allow to chart this Xmas season - it will definitely have airplay and sales. They better not exclude Xmas songs. If they do that, December's charts will become glutted with Xmas songs every year, so I don't know if that's necessarily a good idea.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 15, 2012 22:32:54 GMT -5
I'm disappointed billboard did this. Canceling my subscription now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:35:01 GMT -5
No they're technically correct. Elvis' first 12 Top 10's weren't on the Hot 100. Hell, Elvis' first 10 #1's weren't on the Hot 100.
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Post by forg on Feb 15, 2012 22:35:12 GMT -5
Soon there will be campaigns like "Rage Against the Machine over X Factor for Christmas #1" in the UK single charts on the Hot 100. Should be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:37:29 GMT -5
I doubt any campaign will make any difference whatsoever, to be honest...
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Post by allow that on Feb 15, 2012 22:39:14 GMT -5
Soon there will be campaigns like "Rage Against the Machine over X Factor for Christmas #1" in the UK single charts on the Hot 100. Should be interesting. I can see the campaign for "All I Want For Christmas Is You" starting already.
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Post by forg on Feb 15, 2012 22:40:14 GMT -5
I doubt any campaign will make any difference whatsoever, to be honest... yeah since that anti-X Factor Christmas #1 campaign only worked once there. But if a campaign manages to get media attention, it's possible
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 15, 2012 22:42:47 GMT -5
In one year, "All I Want For Christmas..." would have ranked as high as No. 14, per Billboard. Note, though, that it has not cracked the top 10 on Digital Songs in recent years. Same for top 10 on Hot 100 Airplay.
We'll see if Billboard excludes older holiday titles from the chart- the perennials that get big airplay would be re-entries in the top 50 annually.
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Post by wolfmother on Feb 15, 2012 22:43:46 GMT -5
Does this mean if a song drops below #50 and goes recurrent, and a week later gets sucked back in the Top 50... it could re-chart for a week and then drop off again? ??? Yes it does. That's how the charts will work now.
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Post by leoapp on Feb 15, 2012 22:45:35 GMT -5
I wonder, with this new rule, there would the campaign for some huge #2 hits to hit #1 like Bad Romance and Since U Been Gone or pre 1998 airplay hits like Don't Speak and Iris. Just release some new remix to help a bit.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 15, 2012 22:47:27 GMT -5
^As said, those campaigns usually do not pan out- and Billboard probably would catch wind to it. :)
Older tracks that end up selling big usually do so for a reason- a passing, use in some form of media, TV performance, etc. It would be easy to spot a single that just sold a huge amount for no apparent reason.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 15, 2012 22:48:52 GMT -5
This all kind of reminds me of KT Tunstall's "Suddenly I See." Remember it's run? On it's 20th week, it went recurrent on the Hot 100, then on what would've been it's 22nd week, it returned inside the top 50 for the first time and went on to be a decent hit. I believe it would've moved up to #52 or #51 on the week it went recurrent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:52:46 GMT -5
I really wish G Thang had gone #1. To be blocked by Snow of all things THIS!
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Post by popstop on Feb 15, 2012 22:54:54 GMT -5
Back in the day, Christmas songs did return to the chart year after year. "The Chimpumk Song" had four or five runs on the chart, and who knows how many times "White Christmas" re-charted. Not sure when they stopped that practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:55:04 GMT -5
Madonna's Top 10's:
1. 1984: Borderline (#10) 2. 1984: Lucky Star (#4) 3. 1984: Like A Virgin (#1- 6 weeks) 4. 1985: Material Girl (#2) 5. 1985: Crazy For You (#1- 1 week) 6. 1985: Angel (#5)
1985: Into The Groove (#1) 7. 1985: Dress You Up (#5) 8. 1986: Live To Tell (#1- 1 week) 9. 1986: Papa Don't Preach (#1- 2 weeks) 10. 1986: True Blue (#3) 11. 1987: Open Your Heart (#1- 1 week) 12. 1987: La Isla Bonita (#4) 13. 1987: Who's That Girl (#1- 1 week) 14. 1987: Causing A Commotion (#2) 15. 1989: Like A Prayer (#1- 3 weeks) 16. 1989: Express Yourself (#2) 17. 1989: Cherish (#2) 18. 1990: Keep It Together (#8) 19. 1990: Vogue (#1- 3 weeks) 20. 1990: Hanky Panky (#10) 21. 1991: Justify My Love (#1- 2 weeks) 22. 1991: Rescue Me (#9) 23. 1992: Erotica (#3) 24. 1992: This Used To By My Playground (#1- 1 week) 25. 1992: Deeper And Deeper (#7) 26. 1994: I'll Remember (#2) 27. 1994: Secret (#3) 28. 1995: Take A Bow (#1- 7 weeks) 29. 1995: You'll See (#6) 30. 1996: Don't Cry For Me Argentina (#8) 31. 1998: Frozen (#2) 32. 1998: Ray Of Light (#5) 33. 2000: Music (#1- 4 weeks) 34. 2001: Don't Tell Me (#4) 35. 2002: Die Another Day (#8) 36. 2005: Hung Up (#7) 37. 2008: 4 Minutes (ft. Justin Timberlake) (#3) 38. 2012: Give Me All Your Luvin (ft. Nicki Minaj & MIA) (#10)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:56:38 GMT -5
This is interesting...I'm not liking how Billboard keeps changing their rules and such constantly(like the re-release chart policy change)...but I do like having an all inclusive chart.
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Post by popstop on Feb 15, 2012 22:56:41 GMT -5
So in the same week Madonna and Whitney both join the "top tens in 4 decades" club -- although both top tens in the 00s and 10s for Whitney are 90s hits that recharted. I thought about that too. It's strange that a week ago, the focus was on Madonna getting that 4th decade. Whitney was the farthest thing from anyone's mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 22:56:57 GMT -5
Not a fan of the rule change. I've always been against a comprehensive singles chart.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 15, 2012 22:59:52 GMT -5
Thank you for the "Into the Groove" acknowledgement, ry4n. No. 1 would have been a good possibility, but most definitely top 10 (and top 5) if Billboard charted the 12-inch as it did on the R&B chart. Whitney probably won't have a *new* top 10 this decade, though, unless one of the Sparkle tracks has decent airplay and sales. MJ's posthumous releases didn't really set the singles charts on fire.
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Post by BRhap786 on Feb 15, 2012 23:13:24 GMT -5
Wow this is very interesting. I was fine with the chart methodology before, but I sort of wish they would just have kept it the same, and then have a comprehensive chart, and treat it as another chart. For promotional purposes, and allowing newer music more exposure, I would be fine with keeping the Hot 100 as it is, but for us chart geeks, it would be really fun to have an all comprehensive chart with all recurrents included. I would also like to see how a comprehensive chart would apply to all the other historical charts. But one can dream, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 23:14:43 GMT -5
i thought secret hit #3? also, didnt borderline peak before lucky star?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 23:17:35 GMT -5
i thought secret hit #3? also, didnt borderline peak before lucky star? Yes, you're correct. My mistake. Edited
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Post by lugus15 on Feb 15, 2012 23:29:04 GMT -5
I wonder, with this new rule, there would the campaign for some huge #2 hits to hit #1 like Bad Romance and Since U Been Gone or pre 1998 airplay hits like Don't Speak and Iris. Just release some new remix to help a bit. It's pretty obvious that if Lady GaGa (God forbid) were to die in the next 5-10 years. Bad Romance will get that #1 peak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 23:31:03 GMT -5
I'm rooting for you Nippy! Get that 15th week on top! ;)
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Post by GRRR on Feb 15, 2012 23:36:40 GMT -5
I still think they should have went for broke, any song, any year, no recurrent rule, as long as it has enough points it can chart, and extend the BU chart to 30 or so.
And WOW @ fun. Crazyness, I think if it can hang on it will be HUGE by the time graduation time comes around.
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Post by leoapp on Feb 15, 2012 23:37:16 GMT -5
I'm rooting for you Nippy! Get that 15th week on top! ;) I'm fine if Whitney's IWALY beats Mariah's WBT's 14 weeks record at #1. IWALY is an all time classic! :)
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