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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 30, 2012 8:35:30 GMT -5
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 30, 2012 8:41:33 GMT -5
Why do HITS threads involving Madonna turn into a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 8:45:51 GMT -5
Why do people who use this ageism argument talk about "Believe" and say that's back when radio wasn't ageist? Where were all the 50 year olds on the chart in 1999? Santana was having hits, but vocal duties on those hits were handled by much younger artists. With some minor exceptions, radio has always been dominated by younger artists. Madonna herself is one of those few exceptions, having several hits in her 40s. All of a sudden at 50 radio decided to be ageist?
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Post by Kishi KCM on Mar 30, 2012 8:48:19 GMT -5
Slight conversation detours are fine but this is a getting a bit much. Ya'll need to take this s**t to the Madonna thread. Agreed. It's a discussion about the building chart for next week...not Queen titles, stan wars, and haterisms.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 30, 2012 9:00:41 GMT -5
Radio was *less* ageist back then, jazzy. Madonna was scoring hits in her 40s easier than acts in their 40s have been in recent years, no? :) Again, for those who do not think ageism is an issue at U.S. radio, do list the acts age late40s/50-plus who have scored top 10 hits on the Hot 100 in the last decade- other than Madonna and the one non-vocal Carlos Santana track. I'm waiting... Anyhow, yes, it's about the albums chart, where acts of a certain age who struggle to get airplay can fare better in terms of chart positions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:03:16 GMT -5
Radio was *less* ageist back then, jazzy. Madonna was scoring hits in her 40s easier than acts in their 40s have been in recent years, no? :) Again, for those who do not think ageism is an issue at U.S. radio, do list the acts age late40s/50-plus who have scored top 10 hits on the Hot 100 in the last decade- other than Madonna. I'm waiting... Anyhow, yes, it's about the albums chart, where acts of a certain age who struggle to get airplay can fare better in terms of chart positions. So Madonna was the exception. That's my point.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 30, 2012 9:06:08 GMT -5
^Yes- and, eventually, there has to be a time when radio halts with that exception, no matter that she's Madonna. In seven years she's going to hit 60- I wonder if we'll still be having people saying that ageism isn't an issue. hehe
Speaking of another act doing well with albums this week- Lionel Richie is in his early 60s and while "Endless Love" is getting mild AC play, overall, his airplay numbers are very low. (Though he hasn't scored a big radio hit in eons)
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2012 9:10:33 GMT -5
Some people go to restaurant they have liked for years, some people go to record store and buy albums by artists they have liked for years. It's very simple.
If I have liked a certain Madonna album, I'm likely to buy her latest one as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:10:58 GMT -5
Lots of country artists are over 40
Members of various bands are over 40
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:11:11 GMT -5
^Yes- and, eventually, there has to be a time when radio halts with that exception, no matter that she's Madonna. In seven years she's going to hit 60- I wonder if we'll still be having people saying that ageism isn't an issue. hehe Speaking of another act doing well with albums this week- Lionel Richie is in his early 60s and while "Endless Love" is getting mild AC play, overall, his airplay numbers are very low. (Though he hasn't scored a big radio hit in eons) We don't know what kind of music Madonna is going to be recording at 60 anyway... As for Lionel Richie, when was the last time someone was having hits with duet covers of their own previous hits? He's not exactly trying to stay relevant for radio. In 2006 he released an album with a relevant sound and got a Top 20 R&B hit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:20:15 GMT -5
^Yes- and, eventually, there has to be a time when radio halts with that exception, no matter that she's Madonna. In seven years she's going to hit 60- I wonder if we'll still be having people saying that ageism isn't an issue. hehe Speaking of another act doing well with albums this week- Lionel Richie is in his early 60s and while "Endless Love" is getting mild AC play, overall, his airplay numbers are very low. (Though he hasn't scored a big radio hit in eons) We don't know what kind of music Madonna is going to be recording at 60 anyway... As for Lionel Richie, when was the last time someone was having hits with duet covers of their own previous hits? He's not exactly trying to stay relevant for radio. In 2006 he released an album with a relevant sound and got a Top 20 R&B hit. Elton John/George Michael --- Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me
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Post by asg4 on Mar 30, 2012 9:23:10 GMT -5
Lots of country artists are over 40 Members of various bands are over 40 Tina turner only became big in her mid 40s Jay -Z is over 40 for a while n*ggas in paris is doing pretty good lionels song from a previous release previous release got alot of airplay billy ray cyrus had some hit yrs back charlie wilson from t he gap band aka uncle charlie is having rnb success There is no denying age has a factor but its not age alone but other reason is most older ppl r too lazy to promote their records like they used to do when they first got big. Its not just one or 2 shows here and there u need to retentlessly promote like lmfao r doing day in and day out. I am sure if u do that u will get a hit. LAZINESS IS THE MAIN REASON
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:26:20 GMT -5
In other words examples other than Queen Madonna
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2012 9:36:25 GMT -5
Radio was *less* ageist back then, jazzy. Madonna was scoring hits in her 40s easier than acts in their 40s have been in recent years, no? :) I agree with this, you can easily count recent 40s (or almost 40) artists who can still have airplay hits, Madonna, Mariah, Jay Z, Eminem, J.Lo. Who else?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:42:59 GMT -5
Radio was *less* ageist back then, jazzy. Madonna was scoring hits in her 40s easier than acts in their 40s have been in recent years, no? :) I agree with this, you can easily count recent 40s (or almost 40) artists who can still have airplay hits, Madonna, Mariah, Jay Z, Eminem, J.Lo. Who else? You could pretty much always count the number of artists that age having airplay hits. Radio has always been dominated by younger artists with a couple exceptions here and there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 9:46:42 GMT -5
Train, Nickelback, U2
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Mar 30, 2012 9:56:55 GMT -5
I cannot believe there's a discussion about what Madonna has done for not only Pop music, but music in general. She can flop for the rest of her life. That still won't changed what she's done for music in the past 29 years. As time progresses, no matter who you are, you will more than likely have a hard time finding a radio hit, especially in the Pop world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 10:03:02 GMT -5
Yes I know, "Madonna is the most celebrated and revered female to walk on the planet since...."
Anyway, the new album should likely have a short shelf life
Dance albums need hits to keep going, this one has none
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 10:15:39 GMT -5
Nickelback's last Top 10 hit was in 2008, when their lead singer was 33. I wouldn't really use them as an example of older artists having big airplay hits. The singles from their current album are bombing, and Chad Kroeger is only 37.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 10:16:36 GMT -5
OK, my mistake ;)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 30, 2012 10:20:18 GMT -5
Total retro 80s flashback with Madonna and Lionel Richie going top five It's 1984 (Madonna vs. Can't Slow Down) and 1986 (True Blue vs. Dancing on the Ceiling) all over again!
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 30, 2012 10:28:31 GMT -5
Nickelback's last Top 10 hit was in 2008, when their lead singer was 33. I wouldn't really use them as an example of older artists having big airplay hits. The singles from their current album are bombing, and Chad Kroeger is only 37. But still, he looks and sounds like he's older than 40. ;)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 30, 2012 10:31:27 GMT -5
cher had a massive radio #1 with beleive in her 50s. madonnas real talent isnt in music she is queen of marketing she is a smart business women. she commands total loyal from gay ppl who r her most rabid fans and buy everything she puts out i am estimating 70% of her fans r gay. I find this post so offensive. This is bullsh*t, which I expect from you, asg4. Have you ever been to a Madonna concert? They are full of straight people!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 30, 2012 11:17:03 GMT -5
" Madonna is an old star trying to break into the mainstream all over again." She's a women at age 53 who is making good music and why would she not want to fit in with the mainstream like any other music artist? She has that right. I guess she should just stop what she loves doing. I love how you turn my quote around. Nowhere did I say she can't do it but from a purely marketing perspective, it's an uphill battle. Though maybe you missed the rest of my post and chose to decide that I'm somehow against her or attacking her.
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2012 12:15:07 GMT -5
Anyone know Cher's Believe Hot 100 airplay peak? I'm sure it wasn't a #1 airplay hit.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 30, 2012 12:21:20 GMT -5
" Madonna is an old star trying to break into the mainstream all over again." She's a women at age 53 who is making good music and why would she not want to fit in with the mainstream like any other music artist? She has that right. I guess she should just stop what she loves doing. I love how you turn my quote around. Nowhere did I say she can't do it but from a purely marketing perspective, it's an uphill battle. Though maybe you missed the rest of my post and chose to decide that I'm somehow against her or attacking her. Looking back at your post, my apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 12:34:34 GMT -5
Anyone know Cher's Believe Hot 100 airplay peak? I'm sure it wasn't a #1 airplay hit. It peaked at #2 behind Angel Of Mine and No Scrubs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 12:35:35 GMT -5
Anyone know Cher's Believe Hot 100 airplay peak? I'm sure it wasn't a #1 airplay hit. It peaked at #2 behind Angel Of Mine and No Scrubs. Ageism.
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Post by asg4 on Mar 30, 2012 13:00:22 GMT -5
It peaked at #2 behind Angel Of Mine and No Scrubs. Ageism. but the song was #1 on the H100
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Post by gracelessheart on Mar 30, 2012 13:24:31 GMT -5
Um. Wow. I'm just going to say again: great first week sales for Madonna, who is, without question, the biggest female pop star of all time-regardless of the longevity of her recent singles/albums.
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