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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 13:33:58 GMT -5
The thread is about the current album MDNA
I sometimes wonder why people get paranoid that the performance of or lack theroeof of the songs from the album MDNA or the album itself is more about Madonna the pop star from the 80s and 90s than Madonna age 53.
I think everyone agrees, Madonna age 53, does not have the same following as Madonna from the 80s and 90s. I think everyone agrees this album will not perform as well as 'Madonna', 'Like A Virgin', 'Immaculate Collection ' and her other biggest hits.
No one is saying that just because Madonna's commercial peak was long ago, that she was not the biggest female pop star of the 80s and one of the biggest of the 90s
She will always be one of the biggest female pop stars of the 80s and 90s regardless of the album and singles performance of MDNA
Hopefully we all can move on now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 13:35:49 GMT -5
The thread is about the current album MDNA I sometimes wonder why people get paranoid that the performance of or lack theroeof of the songs from the album MDNA or the album itself is more about Madonna the pop star from the 80s and 90s than Madonna age 53. I think everyone agrees, Madonna age 53, does not have the same following as Madonna from the 80s and 90s. I think everyone agrees this album will not perform as well as 'Madonna', 'Like A Virgin', 'Immaculate Collection ' and her other biggest hits. No one is saying that just because Madonna's commercial peak was long ago, that she was not the biggest female pop star of the 80s and one of the biggest of the 90s She will always be one of the biggest female pop stars of the 80s and 90s regardless of the album and singles performance of MDNA Hopefully we all can move on now He tried.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 13:37:38 GMT -5
OK so, it is obvious that this album will not do as well long-term
Why do people think that means that Madonna was not the star of the 80s and 90s
MDNA, Madonna of the 80s, Madonna of the 90s are separate topics not the same
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 30, 2012 13:53:44 GMT -5
There continues to be examples of acts (i.e. Tina Turner), but ignoring that the current climate we're in indeed is more ageist than back in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. Jennifer Lopez had one big hit (kinda like Cher did with "Believe," but a decade younger than Cher was and she had the ubiquitous Pitbull on the track), and, like Cher, didn't have a substantial follow-up hit. And now she has Pitbull again on the new single, which may help again in the USA.
Anyhow, even if Madge's album ended up below 300K (i.e. 275K), that still would be impressive. But 300K would be a sweet debut, regardless of the fact that it probably will not have the longest shelf life. Hard Candy lasted 30 weeks on the chart.
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Post by brucelover on Mar 30, 2012 15:36:00 GMT -5
She is also one of the biggest pop stars of the 00s.
"Music", "Don't Tell Me", "Die Another Day", "Hung Up", "Sorry", "4 Minutes" were all huge worldwide hits.
All her albums sold big (even American Life sold 4m worldwide).
In Europe she has as many hits in the 00s as Britney did.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2012 15:45:29 GMT -5
So we know:
Madonna is a female solo artist. Madonna has been successful. Madonna is old.
Everything else seems to be debatable depending on your point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 15:57:20 GMT -5
She is also one of the biggest pop stars of the 00s. "Music", "Don't Tell Me", "Die Another Day", "Hung Up", "Sorry", "4 Minutes" were all huge worldwide hits. All her albums sold big (even American Life sold 4m worldwide). In Europe she has as many hits in the 00s as Britney did. Madonna was nowhere near one of the biggest stars of the 00s. She was #1 female in the 80s, top 3 in the 90s and #21 among solo females in the 00s (see Billboards Artist of the Decade list)
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 30, 2012 15:59:36 GMT -5
This is a dumb argument. No one peaks forever or it would not be called peak. The main point is that very few artist remain relevant with #1 albums or the occasional TOP 10 single decades in to their career.
Besides career defining albums most albums peak the first week and fall. It is not like she is logging 4 weeks on the top 200 chart. She still scores respectable numbers in the US and lets not forget she is still one of the bigger sellers worldwide.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 30, 2012 16:20:00 GMT -5
So we know: Madonna is a female solo artist. Madonna has been successful. Madonna is old. Everything else seems to be debatable depending on your point of view. :'( :'( :'( Post of the day.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 30, 2012 16:20:07 GMT -5
She is also one of the biggest pop stars of the 00s. "Music", "Don't Tell Me", "Die Another Day", "Hung Up", "Sorry", "4 Minutes" were all huge worldwide hits. All her albums sold big (even American Life sold 4m worldwide). In Europe she has as many hits in the 00s as Britney did. Madonna was nowhere near one of the biggest stars of the 00s. She was #1 female in the 80s, top 3 in the 90s and #21 among solo females in the 00s (see Billboards Artist of the Decade list) Those are US figures. Madonna was huge worldwide in the 00s. Europe is Madonna's biggest market. Britney Spears and Madonna were the best selling female singers worldwide in the 00s. This is moving off topic...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 16:23:29 GMT -5
Madonna was nowhere near one of the biggest stars of the 00s. She was #1 female in the 80s, top 3 in the 90s and #21 among solo females in the 00s (see Billboards Artist of the Decade list) Those are US figures. Madonna was huge worldwide in the 00s. Europe is Madonna's biggest market. Britney Spears and Madonna were the best selling female singers worldwide in the 00s. This is moving off topic... This is a thread based on US numbers, not worldwide Invoking worldwide numbers is most certainly off topic, I agree
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 30, 2012 16:49:56 GMT -5
In all honesty, I'm confused with what the actual argument/disagreement is in regards to Madonna.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 16:54:31 GMT -5
The thread is about the current album MDNA I sometimes wonder why people get paranoid that the performance of or lack theroeof of the songs from the album MDNA or the album itself is more about Madonna the pop star from the 80s and 90s than Madonna age 53. I think everyone agrees, Madonna age 53, does not have the same following as Madonna from the 80s and 90s. I think everyone agrees this album will not perform as well as 'Madonna', 'Like A Virgin', 'Immaculate Collection ' and her other biggest hits. No one is saying that just because Madonna's commercial peak was long ago, that she was not the biggest female pop star of the 80s and one of the biggest of the 90s She will always be one of the biggest female pop stars of the 80s and 90s regardless of the album and singles performance of MDNA Hopefully we all can move on now Adding to my post to make others happy. We all acknowledge that in the 00s, her star power fell a bit from prior decades in the US but remained one of the biggest solo female stars worldwide. The performance of MDNA and its singles will not change that either.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 30, 2012 16:54:43 GMT -5
Beats the heck outta me, too. Max. She's one of the few acts who have been recording for as long as she has, who can still command impressive debut album sales, big hit single or not. And that's what the thread is about, after all.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Mar 30, 2012 17:37:07 GMT -5
This Billboard article could almost give one a heart attack! Madonna, Lionel Richie Aiming for Top Two on Billboard 200; Katy Perry Could Return to Top 10 March 30, 2012 By Keith Caulfield ( keith_caulfield), Los Angeles As earlier reported, Madonna's "MDNA" and Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee" are on track to debut at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively, on next week's Billboard 200 chart. Meanwhile, rock band Shinedown is also on track for a top 10 debut with its latest studio set "Amaryllis" while Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" will likely zip back to the top 10. Industry sources suggest that Madonna's 12th studio album will sell over 300,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, April 1. Richie's all-star country collaborations album could shift 140,000 to 160,000. Shinedown may move something close to 100,000 copies. Perry's "Teenage Dream" could zoom back to the upper region thanks to the release of the "Complete Confection" edition of the album, which includes bonus tracks and her recent Hot 100 No. 1 "Part of Me." The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, April 4. On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Richie's "Tuskegee" is No. 1, followed by Madonna's "MDNA" and Shinedown's "Amaryllis." The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants.
The ranking is deceiving though, as a chunk of Madonna's sales aren't factored into the Building Chart yet, so she and Richie will likely switch positions on the final Billboard 200 album chart. ("MDNA" has a significant number of sales from non-traditional outlets, including those from a concert ticket/album promotion.) Adele's never-say-die album "21" is No. 4 on the Building Chart, while "The Hunger Games" soundtrack is No. 5. One Direction's "Up All Night" is No. 6, Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" is in the No. 7 slot and the Used's new "Vulnerable" is No. 8. Bruce Sprignsteen's "Wrecking Ball" (No. 9) and Luke Bryan's "Tailgates & Tanlines" (No. 10) round out the top 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 NEW Lionel Richie "Tuskegee" 2 NEW Madonna "MDNA" 3 NEW Shinedown "Amaryllis" 4 2 Adele "21" 5 1 Soundtrack "The Hunger Games" 6 4 One Direction "Up All Night" 7 31 Katy Perry "Teenage Dream" 8 NEW The Used "Vulnerable" 9 6 Bruce Springsteen "Wrecking Ball" 10 16 Luke Bryan "Tailgates & Tanlines" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 17:43:48 GMT -5
That certainly makes it sound like they're counting The Complete Confection as the same album as Teenage Dream. Surely that would mean "Part Of Me" broke the number ones from an album record?
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Post by dbhmr on Mar 30, 2012 17:49:35 GMT -5
I was just thinking that while reading that article. I wonder if they have or will changed their stance on that decision regarding not counting "Part of Me" as part of the Teenage Dream album? That may be most fair...gross as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 17:56:22 GMT -5
That certainly makes it sound like they're counting The Complete Confection as the same album as Teenage Dream. Surely that would mean "Part Of Me" broke the number ones from an album record? Katy Perry holds the record for most #1's from an album including all releases. Michael Jacson & Katy Perry are still tied for most #1's from a single release. The chart position of Teenage Dream does not change that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 18:02:04 GMT -5
I was just thinking that while reading that article. I wonder if they have or will changed their stance on that decision regarding not counting "Part of Me" as part of the Teenage Dream album? That may be most fair...gross as it is. There was never any policy change on the charting of special edition albums, they are only changing their view on how they lok at the most #1's record
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Mar 30, 2012 20:26:49 GMT -5
the fantasticness of MDNA cements Madonna's status as the ruling Queen of Pop. It's the album of 2012. Period. April Fools Day is not until Sunday
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 30, 2012 20:27:37 GMT -5
I was just thinking that while reading that article. I wonder if they have or will changed their stance on that decision regarding not counting "Part of Me" as part of the Teenage Dream album? That may be most fair...gross as it is. There was never any policy change on the charting of special edition albums, they are only changing their view on how they lok at the most #1's record which is bullshit imo.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 30, 2012 20:33:28 GMT -5
the fantasticness of MDNA cements Madonna's status as the ruling Queen of Pop. It's the album of 2012. Period. April Fools Day is not until Sunday Well then maybe you should have saved your post for Sunday then.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Mar 30, 2012 21:05:17 GMT -5
the fantasticness of MDNA cements Madonna's status as the ruling Queen of Pop. It's the album of 2012. Period. April Fools Day is not until Sunday If he thinks it's the best album of 2012, let him. :kii:
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 30, 2012 21:19:00 GMT -5
That certainly makes it sound like they're counting The Complete Confection as the same album as Teenage Dream. Surely that would mean "Part Of Me" broke the number ones from an album record? Katy Perry holds the record for most #1's from an album including all releases. Michael Jacson & Katy Perry are still tied for most #1's from a single release. I think this distinction between "album" and "release" is the best solution to this dispute that we could ask for, and really can't be argued with.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on Mar 30, 2012 21:23:00 GMT -5
April Fools Day is not until Sunday If he thinks it's the best album of 2012, let him.
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2012 21:35:40 GMT -5
Katy Perry holds the record for most #1's from an album including all releases. Michael Jacson & Katy Perry are still tied for most #1's from a single release. I think this distinction between "album" and "release" is the best solution to this dispute that we could ask for, and really can't be argued with. If Rihanna's GGGB was considered to have 3 #1s (despite 2 of them came from re-released and Mariah's TEOM was considered to have 2 #1s (despite 1 of them from re-released), why is Teenage Dream not considered to have 6 #1s?
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Post by mcsteamy on Mar 30, 2012 21:48:17 GMT -5
I think this distinction between "album" and "release" is the best solution to this dispute that we could ask for, and really can't be argued with. If Rihanna's GGGB was considered to have 3 #1s (despite 2 of them came from re-released and Mariah's TEOM was considered to have 2 #1s (despite 1 of them from re-released), why is Teenage Dream not considered to have 6 #1s? Easy... Billboard does not want Katy to break the record.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 30, 2012 21:58:51 GMT -5
April Fools Day is not until Sunday Well then maybe you should have saved your post for Sunday then. omg the pwnage haha
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2012 22:16:48 GMT -5
If Rihanna's GGGB was considered to have 3 #1s (despite 2 of them came from re-released and Mariah's TEOM was considered to have 2 #1s (despite 1 of them from re-released), why is Teenage Dream not considered to have 6 #1s? Easy... Billboard does not want Katy to break the record. Billboard must be a huge fan of MJ then
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 30, 2012 22:22:38 GMT -5
MJ in all fairness did not rerelease his album and add more new songs to it after it had been out for a few years either. It is really not comparible.
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