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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 29, 2012 18:11:54 GMT -5
Hollyweird. Literally the last time I posted here was around 2006 when Madonna was on the Confessions Tour Oh I remember. You used to be a total Madonna stan. Still am, and I remember you too, you were a Murry Curry stan!
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 29, 2012 18:13:25 GMT -5
Yes this forum has definitely changed lol. Is "Jennifa" still around? No she's not with us anymore. She last made an appearance at one of our Pulse Awards shows 3-4 years back God, I miss the days of Jennifa, LuisRo and DJ General. Those were EPIC times.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 29, 2012 18:25:00 GMT -5
Jennifa was the best thing this board has ever seen.
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 29, 2012 19:13:10 GMT -5
Jennifa was the best thing most boards has ever seen.
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Post by josh on Mar 29, 2012 19:26:43 GMT -5
Any estimates for Dev's "The Night the Sun Came Up" ? :)
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Post by Agent YoncΓ© on Mar 29, 2012 19:29:01 GMT -5
Any estimates for Dev's "The Night the Sun Came Up" ? :) Is that Dev in your avatar?
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Post by Ke$ha's Left Tittie on Mar 29, 2012 20:06:36 GMT -5
Omigod Becky, that like makes total sense! I mean all of those women have had 30 year careers and sold 300 million records. All of those women are in their 50s and still manage to hold some sort of relevance. They ALL have tours that gross $300 million or more. And they all hold the record for the most top 10s by any artist in history! They are all worthy of the Queen of Pop title. Oh wait The fact is Madonna doesn't have the talent to hold on to the crown. Yes, she's had longevity, however, the generation today don't look at her as this amazing songwriter, singer, dancer, and certainly actress! Simply put, her catalog is not a staple in the lives of kids coming up today. Some young gays take an interest - it's only natural. However, for the most part, she's an "of the moment" artist who is enjoyed and celebrated only when she has an album or tour out to promote.
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Post by Ke$ha's Left Tittie on Mar 29, 2012 20:12:01 GMT -5
Kinda stunned by the Hunger Games projection. :o Is HITS lumping Katy Perry's album with Teenage Dream? HITSAs many as six debuts will land in next week's Top 15, with Madonna leading the way, the second of at least three weeks for UMG in the #1 slot. Next week, ending 4/8, Nicki Minaj is expected to debut on top. Lionel Richie continues to astound with remarkable, sustained sales. Also note: a year ago, Adeleβs 21 was also in the #3 spot, with 94k in sales. Twelve months later, sheβs in the same place, this time with between 110-120k as her remarkable story continues. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend: *Madonna (Interscope) 325-350k *Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 150-175k Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 110-120k *Shinedown (Atlantic) 85-95k The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 65-75k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 40-45k Katy Perry (Capitol/EMI) 30-35k Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 27-30k Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 25-28k The Shins (Columbia) 24-27k *The Used (Hopeless) 24-27k Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 19-22k *The Mars Volta (Warner Bros.) 17-20k *All-American Rejects (Interscope) 17-20k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 17-20k fun. (Fueled by Ramen) 17-20k Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 17-20k *Debuts (3/29p) Lionel Richie's album will end up outselling Madonna's in the long run. Watch and see.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 29, 2012 20:14:47 GMT -5
Omigod Becky, that like makes total sense! I mean all of those women have had 30 year careers and sold 300 million records. All of those women are in their 50s and still manage to hold some sort of relevance. They ALL have tours that gross $300 million or more. And they all hold the record for the most top 10s by any artist in history! They are all worthy of the Queen of Pop title. Oh wait The fact is Madonna doesn't have the talent to hold on to the crown. Yes, she's had longevity, however, the generation today don't look at her as this amazing songwriter, singer, dancer, and certainly actress! Simply put, her catalog is not a staple in the lives of kids coming up today. Some young gays take an interest - it's only natural. However, for the most part, she's an "of the moment" artist who is enjoyed and celebrated only when she has an album or tour out to promote. Sorry, I respect your opinion but that has to be the most absurd thing I have ever read on pulse.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 29, 2012 20:25:31 GMT -5
The fact is Madonna doesn't have the talent to hold on to the crown. Yes, she's had longevity, however, the generation today don't look at her as this amazing songwriter, singer, dancer, and certainly actress! Simply put, her catalog is not a staple in the lives of kids coming up today. Some young gays take an interest - it's only natural. However, for the most part, she's an "of the moment" artist who is enjoyed and celebrated only when she has an album or tour out to promote. Sorry, I respect your opinion but that has to be the most absurd thing I have ever read on pulse. I dunno. I think a good point is made. Madonna hasn't really had the impact in the last ten years than she's had in the 15-20 years preceding that. Because of that, she's having a hard time breaking into the current generation of music fans that she's been targeting. People 25 or 30 and older are familiar with her and, when it comes to Madonna vs. most of the newer female pop stars, they tend to stick by Madonna. But when it comes to the younger generations, they might not see what the big deal is about because Madonna hasn't really proven anything to them to make her seem better than what the newer divas are offering. Her output hasn't been that spectacular. Sure, Hung Up was one of her biggest international hits but as far as putting a dent into her image in the eyes of the younger generation, it didn't really do a whole lot. It impressed her current fans rather than her make new ones.
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Post by josh on Mar 29, 2012 20:31:10 GMT -5
Any estimates for Dev's "The Night the Sun Came Up" ? :) Is that Dev in your avatar? Yes she is
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Post by Agent YoncΓ© on Mar 29, 2012 20:32:46 GMT -5
Is that Dev in your avatar? Yes she is She's pretty :)
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 29, 2012 21:00:54 GMT -5
Omigod Becky, that like makes total sense! I mean all of those women have had 30 year careers and sold 300 million records. All of those women are in their 50s and still manage to hold some sort of relevance. They ALL have tours that gross $300 million or more. And they all hold the record for the most top 10s by any artist in history! They are all worthy of the Queen of Pop title. Oh wait You do not have longevity like Madonna without having talent sweetheart. The fact is Madonna doesn't have the talent to hold on to the crown. Yes, she's had longevity, however, the generation today don't look at her as this amazing songwriter, singer, dancer, and certainly actress! Simply put, her catalog is not a staple in the lives of kids coming up today. Some young gays take an interest - it's only natural. However, for the most part, she's an "of the moment" artist who is enjoyed and celebrated only when she has an album or tour out to promote. As far as a staple of young people today? So what, no artist is a staple for every generation. No current artist will be a staple for the young generation in 20 years. That is not the point, I guarantee you the younger generation knows who Madonna is an her importance in music just like they do Elvis, Michael and every other legend or icon. Your not bringing any valid points to the table.No artist is at the prime of their career forever. The goal for any artist is too actually become a legend and still be able to generate a #1 album several decades in to their career.
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Post by Oprah on Mar 29, 2012 21:19:28 GMT -5
Sorry, I respect your opinion but that has to be the most absurd thing I have ever read on pulse. I dunno. I think a good point is made. Madonna hasn't really had the impact in the last ten years than she's had in the 15-20 years preceding that. Because of that, she's having a hard time breaking into the current generation of music fans that she's been targeting. People 25 or 30 and older are familiar with her and, when it comes to Madonna vs. most of the newer female pop stars, they tend to stick by Madonna. But when it comes to the younger generations, they might not see what the big deal is about because Madonna hasn't really proven anything to them to make her seem better than what the newer divas are offering. Her output hasn't been that spectacular. Sure, Hung Up was one of her biggest international hits but as far as putting a dent into her image in the eyes of the younger generation, it didn't really do a whole lot. It impressed her current fans rather than her make new ones. That's pretty natural, though. What other big names from the 80's are doing as well as Madonna? People identity most with the music of their generation, and Madonna peaked over two decades ago. That hardly makes her a "of the moment" artist - she's arguably the biggest female singer in the history of pop music.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 21:29:03 GMT -5
I dunno. I think a good point is made. Madonna hasn't really had the impact in the last ten years than she's had in the 15-20 years preceding that. Because of that, she's having a hard time breaking into the current generation of music fans that she's been targeting. People 25 or 30 and older are familiar with her and, when it comes to Madonna vs. most of the newer female pop stars, they tend to stick by Madonna. But when it comes to the younger generations, they might not see what the big deal is about because Madonna hasn't really proven anything to them to make her seem better than what the newer divas are offering. Her output hasn't been that spectacular. Sure, Hung Up was one of her biggest international hits but as far as putting a dent into her image in the eyes of the younger generation, it didn't really do a whole lot. It impressed her current fans rather than her make new ones. That's pretty natural, though. What other big names from the 80's are doing as well as Madonna? People identity most with the music of their generation, and Madonna peaked over two decades ago. That hardly makes her a "of the moment" artist - she's arguably the biggest female singer in the history of pop music. U2 for example
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Post by frashcoholic on Mar 29, 2012 21:30:50 GMT -5
^Who gives a rat's arse how much it plummets? Who expects Madonna- at 53- to keep scoring hit single after hit single in the USA, or even have long-lasting albums success? The fact that she can still command a very nice opening in sales, and score top 10 hits at all (regardless of longevity) is muy impressive. Long live Her Madgesty, the Queen of Pop. And, by the by- why do some not talking about physical sales? I'm sure we'll see a breakdown of physical, digital, etc. etc. Hard Candy scanned 207,000 physical units upon its release (+73,000 digital). For the generation coming up today, Lady GaGa is their Queen Of Pop. No one has a handle on the title because there's a different Queen Of Pop for every generation. In the 70's - it was Diana/Barbara In the 80's - it was Madonna/Janet/Whitney In the 90's - it was Mariah/Whitney/Janet/Madonna In the 00's - it was Britney/Beyonce/Rihanna In the 10's - it's GaGa Madonna is not the all the time Queen Of Pop. She's just one of many female superstar singers who share the crown. Oh my Gawd,, where's Katy?? 5 #1 single on Billboard and 6 #1 on Pop radio from 1 album u kidding, right?? well for me Madonna is the QUEEN of pop and Britney the princess of Pop PERIOD
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 29, 2012 22:11:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I respect your opinion but that has to be the most absurd thing I have ever read on pulse. I dunno. I think a good point is made. Madonna hasn't really had the impact in the last ten years than she's had in the 15-20 years preceding that. Because of that, she's having a hard time breaking into the current generation of music fans that she's been targeting. People 25 or 30 and older are familiar with her and, when it comes to Madonna vs. most of the newer female pop stars, they tend to stick by Madonna. But when it comes to the younger generations, they might not see what the big deal is about because Madonna hasn't really proven anything to them to make her seem better than what the newer divas are offering. Her output hasn't been that spectacular. Sure, Hung Up was one of her biggest international hits but as far as putting a dent into her image in the eyes of the younger generation, it didn't really do a whole lot. It impressed her current fans rather than her make new ones. Then why was Michael Jackson crowned The King Of Pop even after his career basically imploded in the mid 90s and never recovered? No one argues that title. Child molestation allegations, drug use, plastic surgery and all. Even if you hate Madonna, it's a hilariously ridiculous argument. Sorry. Elvis hasn't had an impact on pop or rock music in oh, 40 years? I guess he's gonna have to relinquish his title as King of Rock N Roll to Daughtry :( Ah, Pulse. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Post by silab on Mar 29, 2012 22:15:21 GMT -5
I agree with with Haus of Max.
It is only the die hard fans buying during the first week. Wait till second and third week and you will see how much she will have fallen out of the charts. Even if she is old, if her material is good, she can have a hit. But GMAYL is crap, like seriously. And GGW is better but not so much.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 29, 2012 22:28:00 GMT -5
I agree with with Haus of Max. It is only the die hard fans buying during the first week. Wait till second and third week and you will see how much she will have fallen out of the charts. Even if she is old, if her material is good, she can have a hit. But GMAYL is crap, like seriously. And GGW is better but not so much. Yeah that makes total sense. It makes total sense that she has 300,000 die hard fans in 2012 but only had 280,000 die hard fans in 2008 coming off the back of her biggest US hit since 2001. WE LOVE YOUR RATIONALE. The album is selling for a number of reasons - the Super Bowl hype being one of them, the pre-orders, the concert ticket redemptions (though I predict those are pretty low, like tehy were for Bon Jovi and the like). And if it drops off the face of the earth next week, LA DEE DA, does it make you feel better about life?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 29, 2012 22:53:58 GMT -5
I dunno. I think a good point is made. Madonna hasn't really had the impact in the last ten years than she's had in the 15-20 years preceding that. Because of that, she's having a hard time breaking into the current generation of music fans that she's been targeting. People 25 or 30 and older are familiar with her and, when it comes to Madonna vs. most of the newer female pop stars, they tend to stick by Madonna. But when it comes to the younger generations, they might not see what the big deal is about because Madonna hasn't really proven anything to them to make her seem better than what the newer divas are offering. Her output hasn't been that spectacular. Sure, Hung Up was one of her biggest international hits but as far as putting a dent into her image in the eyes of the younger generation, it didn't really do a whole lot. It impressed her current fans rather than her make new ones. That's pretty natural, though. What other big names from the 80's are doing as well as Madonna? People identity most with the music of their generation, and Madonna peaked over two decades ago. That hardly makes her a "of the moment" artist - she's arguably the biggest female singer in the history of pop music. I'm not talking about all time. It's a given that she's the most successful woman in pop music. I would never deny that. I'm talking about of the moment. My post was in response to another post which called someone out for saying that Madonna isn't a staple of the current generation and what she was known for back in the 80s and 90s doesn't really stand with newer music fans of today. Most of us here that aren't avid fans of her but were around for some of that time can appreciate that. Newer fans who only know her stuff post Music-era can't and unless they bothered to research her achievements and get into her old music likely won't be able to appreciate that. They might know about her past but they can't appreciate it and to them, Madonna is an old star trying to break into the mainstream all over again. Then why was Michael Jackson crowned The King Of Pop even after his career basically imploded in the mid 90s and never recovered? No one argues that title. Child molestation allegations, drug use, plastic surgery and all. Even if you hate Madonna, it's a hilariously ridiculous argument. Sorry. Elvis hasn't had an impact on pop or rock music in oh, 40 years? I guess he's gonna have to relinquish his title as King of Rock N Roll to Daughtry :( Ah, Pulse. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I'm not even going to further acknowledge this "king of"/"queen of" bullshit anymore. Those are arbitrary titles, nicknames, given to those singers. They have no factual or scientific basis and are nothing more than names given to them by the media. And for the record books, I don't hate Madonna. I consider myself a pretty big fan and shouldn't feel the need to justify my fandom to people who are too insecure to actually see things from a logistical point of view.
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Post by texasdevil on Mar 29, 2012 22:57:29 GMT -5
People who go on and on about how Madonna's career is over only prove one point..... the woman IS STILL RELEVANT!!!!!!! Madonna doesn't care about how MDNA is performing saleswise so long as the Interscope component of her Live Nation contract is fulfilled. Who cares if she drops off for week two? Who cares if Lionel beats her in the long run? Madonna doesn't care and looks like her management doesn't either. Why does Madonna not care? 1. 'Cause she's already the biggest woman in the history of music. No one will EVER touch that! 2. Her tours! She's gonna make at least a $100 million profit on her tour once merchandise sales come in and television rights are sold. 3. She's gonna be a billionaire soon!!!! Unlike Michael or Whitney, Madonna has always been savvy and realistic when it comes to expenses, taxes, investments and income. Every biography on her states that Miss Ciccone is smart with money matters. At the end of all of this, Madonna is 30 years into an awesome, legendary career! I say she'll deliver one or two more Live Nation tours, two more Interscope albums and call it a day to music. LONG LIVE QUEEN MADONNA!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 29, 2012 23:39:39 GMT -5
That's pretty natural, though. What other big names from the 80's are doing as well as Madonna? People identity most with the music of their generation, and Madonna peaked over two decades ago. That hardly makes her a "of the moment" artist - she's arguably the biggest female singer in the history of pop music. I'm not talking about all time. It's a given that she's the most successful woman in pop music. I would never deny that. I'm talking about of the moment. My post was in response to another post which called someone out for saying that Madonna isn't a staple of the current generation and what she was known for back in the 80s and 90s doesn't really stand with newer music fans of today. Most of us here that aren't avid fans of her but were around for some of that time can appreciate that. Newer fans who only know her stuff post Music-era can't and unless they bothered to research her achievements and get into her old music likely won't be able to appreciate that. They might know about her past but they can't appreciate it and to them, Madonna is an old star trying to break into the mainstream all over again. Then why was Michael Jackson crowned The King Of Pop even after his career basically imploded in the mid 90s and never recovered? No one argues that title. Child molestation allegations, drug use, plastic surgery and all. Even if you hate Madonna, it's a hilariously ridiculous argument. Sorry. Elvis hasn't had an impact on pop or rock music in oh, 40 years? I guess he's gonna have to relinquish his title as King of Rock N Roll to Daughtry :( Ah, Pulse. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I'm not even going to further acknowledge this "king of"/"queen of" bulls**t anymore. Those are arbitrary titles, nicknames, given to those singers. They have no factual or scientific basis and are nothing more than names given to them by the media. And for the record books, I don't hate Madonna. I consider myself a pretty big fan and shouldn't feel the need to justify my fandom to people who are too insecure to actually see things from a logistical point of view. I was actually referring moreso to the general argument from Kesha's Titty when writing the paragraphs after the first one so there is really no need for you to get so defensive. Arbitrary or not, what Titty was saying was ridiculous and I think a lot of people would agree. Those names were given to those artists by the media not just because they were successful, but because they were megastars and vastly different from anything the world had seen at that point. From Whitney Houston to Lady Gaga to Justin Timberlake - the current "challengers" are doing nothing much except recycling themes and music from the superstars of the last century - it's not their lack of success or longevity that makes them unworthy, it's their lack of originality. And that's the point I am trying to make.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 29, 2012 23:49:36 GMT -5
No act who's been around for 30 years is much relevant to the youth crowd. Hence, radio's reluctance to play music from those acts. And it's not even just pop music- Bruce Springsteen doesn't even get great play at rock radio. When was the last time an act in his or her 50s scored a big radio hit? A decade or so? And Santana- who had other acts do the vocals on those hits. Madonna's been the oldest since then to score top 10 hits on the Hot 100 (regardless of their longevity or lack thereof).
Aside from being the most successful female in music, Madonna's been one of the most celebrated and revered- she doesn't have to do a single thing to add to that legacy (she hasn't had to for some time), but she keeps on keepin' on. And she'll strop when she's good and ready and on her terms.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 29, 2012 23:49:51 GMT -5
the fantasticness of MDNA cements Madonna's status as the ruling Queen of Pop. It's the album of 2012. Period.
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Post by asg4 on Mar 30, 2012 4:21:29 GMT -5
cher had a massive radio #1 with beleive in her 50s. madonnas real talent isnt in music she is queen of marketing she is a smart business women. she commands total loyal from gay ppl who r her most rabid fans and buy everything she puts out i am estimating 70% of her fans r gay.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 30, 2012 7:03:56 GMT -5
Slight conversation detours are fine but this is a getting a bit much. Ya'll need to take this shit to the Madonna thread.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 30, 2012 7:07:48 GMT -5
" Madonna is an old star trying to break into the mainstream all over again."
She's a women at age 53 who is making good music and why would she not want to fit in with the mainstream like any other music artist? She has that right. I guess she should just stop what she loves doing.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2012 7:23:58 GMT -5
I didn't read this thread through but I have my own opinion about Madonna..
First of all, she is the biggest pop star alive, queen of pop and a legend no matter what.
But, because of that she must adapt to new trends, sounds and situations. Which means she will always face challenges, musically and concerning her image.
She will never release an album of covers of her own mfing songs sung with random country stars just to get sales. (Yes, Endless Love by Richie and Shania is the most painful thing to listen to).
She's Madonna, she'll do what she wants. She'll do what proper pop stars do: new show for each tour, new sound for each album. She writes her own songs, lyrics at least (How do I know that? They recycle same ideas and are usually quite mediocre.)
She also have guts to say the producers that "hell no I'm not singing that song" unlike Rihanna who'll probably record anything her label shits for her just to get the album out. Even her own rejects.
Madonna might not always be the number one chart phenomenon or the hottest thing on the planet but she'll bounce back on her own, doing her thing. This album might just reach gold but who knows, the next triple platinum blockbuster might be just two years away.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 30, 2012 8:29:15 GMT -5
People love citing "Believe," but as noted, that was back during a time when radio was not as hesitant to play acts over 50. And Cher has not had a substantial U.S. hit since that single (which is a shame, because "Song For the Lonely" was better than "Believe," IMO). Now, there's hesitation to play acts over 40 (especially if there isn't a hot collaborator on board). And acts in their 50s? Fuhgetaboutit. It's possible Cher could score a fluke again if she has Stefani Gaga on her lead single, but...
I don't know why people just can't be impressed that Madonna still has the power to command big openings, no matter where the album ends up at the end of the day (or even commands a certain level of anticipation for each lead single, no matter how it endures or doesn't in the long haul). And that she indeed is regarded as the most important and revered female of the last 30 years, for every aspect of her career. As we know, though, when it comes to "divas" and new albums- especially Her Madgesty- there's always going to be extreme negative angles from some. It's as much a part of life as the seven days of the week.
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