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Post by badrobot on Apr 5, 2012 23:56:59 GMT -5
Ouchy ouch for Madonna -- clearly I was wrong about the 2nd week drop.
Anyway, the lack of legs is only fair given the way she's chosen to promote it -- the lead single was possibly the worst song on the whole album, and the second single, while notably better, still isn't one of the strongest ones. "I'm Addicted" and maaaaybe "Turn Up The Radio" are the only two that I could see getting any kind of response, but certainly not top ten material at this point.
Really I'd just like her to manage one other Hot 100 hit from the album. Otherwise it will be her only studio album to have only one Hot 100 hit (as long as you include Die Another Day as being an American Life track).
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Apr 6, 2012 0:29:45 GMT -5
Madonna has really not done much promotion for any of her albums since the American Life era. That one had TV specials, interviews, and of course, the controversy over the title song's original music video.
In terms of her promotion for past albums since then, here's what she did. There was a mini club appearance at the Roxy club in New York prior to and that Grammys performance during the Confessions On A Dance Floor era. And there was that KOKO performance in the UK. During the Hard Candy era there was that mini promo tour, including a date at Roseland that had an internet webcast. It also helped that "4 Minutes" was pretty huge. And there were a few radio interviews as well. And then with Celebration which was a hits collection she did maybe one or two TV interview appearances, but there was no mention of the release.
Doing little to no conventional promotion will make it harder to sell well. For the type of music she is releasing, a lot of promo may only do a little. Given how she makes most of her money now doing tours because those are far more lucrative, she is choosing to focus on rehearsing for the tour. She is letting the music do the talking for her and let it sell itself, but it's not going to sell that much.
There have been plenty of examples when tons of promotion was done and the sales were still lackluster, and even on top of having a hit single that sold well and did well on radio.
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 6, 2012 0:39:02 GMT -5
...anyway thrilled for Kelly's numbers.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 6, 2012 1:35:48 GMT -5
Woohoo Kelly!!! And ADELE!!!!!!! AND ONE DIRECTION!!! :'(
OMG can't wait for Madonna's album to fall off the chart(looks like might be a couple of weeks from now) so all this petty bickering can stop between her trolls. It's like Madonna is #1 SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 19 f**king pages back and fourth, now it's all, well this was expected, no one sells that much anymore, she doesn't do promo, she doesn't have a single.. probably for another 14 f**king pages. Ahh it's so aggravating and makes me wanna go buy a copy just so I can break it into little pieces but then I might add an increase to her album sales and have to hear SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 14 f**king more pages....it's like the era is looking to be a flop accept it and move on. She's still Madonna and no matter how many pages of ranting her fans have on Pulse isn't gonna change anything. I'm sure she doesn't need ya'll sympathy.
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 6, 2012 2:07:19 GMT -5
^^^Sorry but you need medication. You just kept repeating yourself. Your as bad as the trolls you complain about. Your never a flop when you hit #1. Obviously without her promoting it and a hit single it is going to not stay in the top 10 forever. Only about 5 albums a year break a million so scanning 500k is perfectly respectable now.
Go enjoy your boy band, because they will probably be selling doughnuts at a Dunkin Doughnuts in about 10 years LOL
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Post by asg4 on Apr 6, 2012 2:35:03 GMT -5
I think alot of the reason ppl were critical was coz of the manipulation of the chart and of course if anyone else had done this that would lead to same kind of outrage. I was totally disappointed with her stan who didnt care for fairness at all and wanted a #1 by hook or crook. Alot of the ppl here r chart purist and dont want to see any kind of manipulation and i do hope billboard goes back and revoke this rule in the future.
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 6, 2012 2:42:49 GMT -5
You cannot manipulate what is allowed. And if you look at the numbers of your so called real sales she was at 179k with no redemptions which put her 20k behind Lionel. You are being incredibly illogical if you think she would not have sold 20k to the 185k(redemptions) anyway to be number #1.
You are as bad as a stan, your the opposite of a stan and we all know what that is.
You are the only one I take issue with that is against the redemption. You use language and verbiage and make accusations that are as delusional as a stan protecting their favorite.
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 6, 2012 3:30:20 GMT -5
You cannot manipulate what is allowed. And if you look at the numbers of your so called real sales she was at 179k with no redemptions which put her 20k behind Lionel. You are being incredibly illogical if you think she would not have sold 20k to the 185k(redemptions) anyway to be number #1. You are as bad as a stan, your the opposite of a stan and we all know what that is. You are the only one I take issue with that is against the redemption. You use language and verbiage and make accusations that are as delusional as a stan protecting their favorite. Just because something is "allowed" doesn't mean people can't still feel that it is somehow unfair. Just like Gaga's 99 cent albums were allowed but then suddenly Billboard recognized it wasn't fair, so they changed the rule. Or how charting completely different songs under one title and tacking "remix" on the end used to be allowed, but Billboard recognized it wasn't fair, so changed the rule. BB reserves the right to change this rule as well, though the results of last week won't be changed either way. I personally don't think album redemptions are unfair as long as the record company is receiving the same money they would have anyway, and as long as the albums aren't just being handed out at the concerts. Since the record company did get paid, and since people had to go out of their way to order the album, I think this is fair. As we can see from this week's projections, in the long run the redemptions won't make a huge difference, though they probably will have boosted sales by a decent amount. However, lots of things boost sales that might not seem totally fair - sales, promotions, allowing tons of pre-orders to count for one week - but that usually has more to do with selling the album than just inflating numbers or grabbing a peak position. I think besides Madonna's fall, the big story this week is the Adele machine continuing the obliterate the competition. I didn't consider that she'd get such a big increase this week due to Easter. With RHI just now exploding on radio, I'm hoping to see several more months of 100k+ from Adele, and hopefully more weeks at number 1 as well. I'm a bit sad for Nicki cause I was totally in love with her for a while, but her new material is just whack, so really I hope this is a wake-up call that she can't just do whatever and maintain her fanbase. I'm willing to give her another shot if she can put out some quality material, but she won't be getting my purchase this go around.
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Post by spooky21 on Apr 6, 2012 3:46:20 GMT -5
Looks like your fee fees got hurt. Look here buddy, this is a chart board. Any unusual activity on the charts will get analyzed and discussed regardless of the artist. Madonna is not special in that extent so there is no use sitting here and whining about people posting because they are just hating on her. Read the Gaga thread for an even more polarizing discussion on the first week sales for BTW. The Mariah flopping thread was also quite explosive. The biggest Madonna detractors and super stans like yourself will cancel each other out. The rest of us here live to make chart assumptions, analysis or arguments and pray/hope that the data vindicates us. You know, if I am such a crazy STAN as you all love to call each other here, then I am not sure why you even entertain my posts in the first place. If everything I say is so unreasonable then why do you like to throw it in my face when I am wrong about something? If you're all about the STATS and the figures then glow on, ignore my crazy ass, but HERE WE ARE again. I think you enjoy this just as much as the rest of the MORTALS on this board. Awww Hollyweird, don't be so hurt. It really isn't that deep. Madonna will live. I know the MDNA era looks like it will be fleeting but I hope you stay on after it falls off the charts in a few weeks. There are many other artists with new albums coming this year so conversation will be ripe for discussion.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 6, 2012 3:52:35 GMT -5
You cannot manipulate what is allowed. And if you look at the numbers of your so called real sales she was at 179k with no redemptions which put her 20k behind Lionel. You are being incredibly illogical if you think she would not have sold 20k to the 185k(redemptions) anyway to be number #1. You are as bad as a stan, your the opposite of a stan and we all know what that is. You are the only one I take issue with that is against the redemption. You use language and verbiage and make accusations that are as delusional as a stan protecting their favorite. Real sales were 174k and they were pushed up by the pre-orders thats why u seeing such a big drop off numbers dont lie, I am also a prince fan who benefited the most from this scheme and i dont think any prince fan took his numbers seriously
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 6:53:27 GMT -5
Let's repost this
Universal Music scores its third #1 in a row as Nicki Minaj's projection increases a little today. Here's how it looks headed into the Easter weekend:
*Nicki Minaj (Young Money/Cash Money/Universal Republic) 215-235k Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 155-165k *Rascal Flatts (Big Machine) 110-120k Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 100-110k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 70-80k The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 45-50k *Marvin Sapp (Verity) 45-50k *Of Monsters & Men (Universal Republic) 45-50k Madonna (Interscope) 40-45k Shinedown (Atlantic) 35-40k Kelly Clarkson (19/RCA) 27-30k Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 27-30k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance (Hollywood) 24-27k Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 24-27k Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 22-25k *Alabama Shakes (ATO) 21-24k Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 21-24k Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k
*Debuts (4/5p)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 6:55:12 GMT -5
Nicki Minaj, Rascal Flatts, Lionel Riche and of course Adele will all be over 100K next chart
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Post by Safado on Apr 6, 2012 6:57:28 GMT -5
Woohoo Kelly!!! And ADELE!!!!!!! AND ONE DIRECTION!!! :'( OMG can't wait for Madonna's album to fall off the chart(looks like might be a couple of weeks from now) so all this petty bickering can stop between her trolls. It's like Madonna is #1 SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 19 f**king pages back and fourth, now it's all, well this was expected, no one sells that much anymore, she doesn't do promo, she doesn't have a single.. probably for another 14 f**king pages. Ahh it's so aggravating and makes me wanna go buy a copy just so I can break it into little pieces but then I might add an increase to her album sales and have to hear SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 14 f**king more pages....it's like the era is looking to be a flop accept it and move on. She's still Madonna and no matter how many pages of ranting her fans have on Pulse isn't gonna change anything. I'm sure she doesn't need ya'll sympathy. You clearly need help. If a discussion about the way an album was promoted caused this much aggravation, I wonder what happens to you in the real world. So we if defend M, we are trolls. Get a "real" life. BTW, she's still Queen even after that rant of yours. Some girls.........
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Apr 6, 2012 7:07:45 GMT -5
Obviously I am a Madonna fan and we all have our favorites but having an opinion on how promotion is used and the negative personal attacks to make her appear to be a failure are two different things altogether and is sad. She will go down in the books with another #1 album regardless. It's not going to change. Accept and move on already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 7:12:10 GMT -5
Let's repost this Universal Music scores its third #1 in a row as Nicki Minaj's projection increases a little today. Here's how it looks headed into the Easter weekend: *Nicki Minaj (Young Money/Cash Money/Universal Republic) 215-235k Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 155-165k *Rascal Flatts (Big Machine) 110-120k Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 100-110k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 70-80k The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 45-50k *Marvin Sapp (Verity) 45-50k *Of Monsters & Men (Universal Republic) 45-50k Madonna (Interscope) 40-45k Shinedown (Atlantic) 35-40k Kelly Clarkson (19/RCA) 27-30k Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 27-30k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance (Hollywood) 24-27k Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 24-27k Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 22-25k *Alabama Shakes (ATO) 21-24k Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 21-24k Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k *Debuts (4/5p) In the HITS projected top 20, there are 19 albums that were not recorded by Madonna, many of them are expected to move more copies this week. Nicki Minaj for example is projected to be #1
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 7:48:08 GMT -5
^Indeed. Madonna's scored another No. 1 album, racked up impressive sales in doing so, added another top 10 hit to her total. Most should know the odds are against her (and any older acts) in scoring long-lasting success with music releases, so just be pleased on that end (or displeased if you're not much of a fan), accept it and focus on other aspects. People are just going in circles- one will have one opinion, another will have the opposite. No one's going to "win' in this kind of debate.
Maybe those who want to focus on the negative should apply some of their negativity to The Hunger Games soundtrack's performance. Given the film's humongo box office, the sales are very underwhelming- regardless that soundtracks don't sell as they once did (most albums do not, after all). It's not like any of the singles are/were top 10 hits on the Hot 100.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 6, 2012 7:50:22 GMT -5
Woohoo Kelly!!! And ADELE!!!!!!! AND ONE DIRECTION!!! :'( OMG can't wait for Madonna's album to fall off the chart(looks like might be a couple of weeks from now) so all this petty bickering can stop between her trolls. It's like Madonna is #1 SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 19 f**king pages back and fourth, now it's all, well this was expected, no one sells that much anymore, she doesn't do promo, she doesn't have a single.. probably for another 14 f**king pages. Ahh it's so aggravating and makes me wanna go buy a copy just so I can break it into little pieces but then I might add an increase to her album sales and have to hear SHE SOLD BLAH BLAH BLAH SHE IS THE QUEEN OMG NO ONE CAN TOP HER for 14 f**king more pages....it's like the era is looking to be a flop accept it and move on. She's still Madonna and no matter how many pages of ranting her fans have on Pulse isn't gonna change anything. I'm sure she doesn't need ya'll sympathy. You clearly need help. If a discussion about the way an album was promoted caused this much aggravation, I wonder what happens to you in the real world. So we if defend M, we are trolls. Get a "real" life. BTW, she's still Queen even after that rant of yours. Some girls......... It's annoying and it wasn't a discussion about the way the album was promoted it was the same people repeating themselves over and over again trying to be heard and trying to convince people Madonna is still relevant and people give 2 shits about her. Obviously besides her true die hard fans no one wants her new music. The charts don't lie, no matter hOW hard Madonna's people tried to make it do so. Her fans need to accept it and move on. Damn queens always gotta BE SO DAMN DIFFICULT!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 7:54:09 GMT -5
^As I said, EVERYONE needs to move on. Neither side in this discussion is getting anywhere, with the same stuff being said again and again (both sides). Everyone is free to think as they wish; the charts are the charts and that is what goes in the record books.
By the way- Madonna is a lot more commercially relevant than some other acts on the charts (including some who appear in posters' avatars), so why take such a negative tone toward Ms. Ciccone there, Joe?
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Post by gracelessheart on Apr 6, 2012 7:59:02 GMT -5
Love how this turned into ANOTHER Madonna thread.
Anyway, slightly better projections for Nicki. I'm just curious to see if it has any legs.
And holy shit Adele. Is this album ever gonna stop? Amazing.
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Post by Safado on Apr 6, 2012 8:00:01 GMT -5
You clearly need help. If a discussion about the way an album was promoted caused this much aggravation, I wonder what happens to you in the real world. So we if defend M, we are trolls. Get a "real" life. BTW, she's still Queen even after that rant of yours. Some girls......... It's annoying and it wasn't a discussion about the way the album was promoted it was the same people repeating themselves over and over again trying to be heard and trying to convince people Madonna is still relevant and people give 2 shits about her. Obviously besides her true die hard fans no one wants her new music. The charts don't lie, no matter hOW hard Madonna's people tried to make it do so. Her fans need to accept it and move on. Damn queens always gotta BE SO DAMN DIFFICULT! Aren't you repeating yourself again??? Still Queen and still relevant cause if she wasn't, there wouldn't be this discussion. I am serious, there are far important things in life to get upset about. Now I am just feeling a little sorry for you. I'll let you be. Don't let this discussion ruin your weekend or day.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 8:07:40 GMT -5
LMAO at 2m's altering of the thread title. Anyhow... it is time to move on. Ms. Adkins' album will be sailing its way to Diamond status. Who woulda thunk it a year ago? :o
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Post by asg4 on Apr 6, 2012 8:31:22 GMT -5
The issue is not about madonna but about chart manipulation and others will try to replicated it even with more success. There r far more implications of this then just this one week and its an annoying thing mainly because no two acts will do the redemptions on the same week so it just distorts the chart and u cant compare apples to apples. We will keep revisiting this issue time and again. Even for madonna her sales have totally fallen off the cliff. Her next album might not even open with 130k
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 8:35:27 GMT -5
Even for madonna her sales have totally fallen off the cliff. Her next album might not even open with 130k Yes it will Unless of course the concert giveawy rule changes She will be a big concert draw for many years to come
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 6, 2012 8:42:44 GMT -5
I feel there's nothing new to discuss in regards to Madonna. Until something new does come following a release from Billboard, for example, then we should place our focus elsewhere.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 6, 2012 8:43:01 GMT -5
Even for madonna her sales have totally fallen off the cliff. Her next album might not even open with 130k Yes it will Unless of course the concert giveawy rule changes She will be a big concert draw for many years to come The label might not allow the giveaways coz they dont get any money from them. yes yes we heard the price is included but no money is changing hands and labels pay for the cost of marketing cost of making high priced producers high priced song writers... No way they will give it for free
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 8:49:22 GMT -5
Let's repost this
Universal Music scores its third #1 in a row as Nicki Minaj's projection increases a little today. Here's how it looks headed into the Easter weekend:
*Nicki Minaj (Young Money/Cash Money/Universal Republic) 215-235k Adele 21 (XL/Columbia) 155-165k *Rascal Flatts (Big Machine) 110-120k Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 100-110k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 70-80k The Hunger Games soundtrack (Universal Republic) 45-50k *Marvin Sapp (Verity) 45-50k *Of Monsters & Men (Universal Republic) 45-50k Madonna (Interscope) 40-45k Shinedown (Atlantic) 35-40k Kelly Clarkson (19/RCA) 27-30k Now 41 (Capitol/EMI) 27-30k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance (Hollywood) 24-27k Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 24-27k Adele 19 (XL/Columbia) 22-25k *Alabama Shakes (ATO) 21-24k Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) 21-24k Whitney Houston Greatest Hits (RCA) 21-24k
*Debuts (4/5p)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 8:50:59 GMT -5
Oh look!
After Adele claims her customary spot in the top 3
We have Nicki Minaj a clear #1 and
Rascal Flatts & Lionel Richie vying for the final spot in the top 3
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Post by asg4 on Apr 6, 2012 8:57:50 GMT -5
adele will be back at #1 next 2 weeks
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Post by Rodze on Apr 6, 2012 9:00:11 GMT -5
Nicki Minaj was already discussed and declared as a flop.
Let people go crazy over Madonna adding yet another record to her career: biggest % 2nd week drop for a no. 1 album.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 9:03:11 GMT -5
Let people go crazy over Madonna adding yet another record to her career: biggest % 2nd week drop for a no. 1 album. Nothing wrong with trying to chanege the thread topic If not Nicki Minaj to discuss, how about Adele? Lionel Richie? Rascal Flatts? Others? Lots to choose from
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