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Post by sbp17 on Feb 12, 2013 19:57:04 GMT -5
Yes, it was undeniably a poor choice of words, regardless of whether she should have known him or not. But he did not seem offended and that's what matters since it was, after all, addressed to him. Kelly is a very free-spirited, off-the-cuff, stream-of-consciousness personality. That makes for a lot of humorous and candid moments with an occasional slightly cringe-worthy moment. That's what I like about her.
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Post by Jack on Feb 12, 2013 22:23:52 GMT -5
Yeah she worded it the wrong way, but the intent was noble. Not only in the fact the was trying to compliment him but I believe she was being self-depricating; 'I don't know who you are, I can't believe I don't... I'm an idiot because your performance was amazing, and you're obviously very successful because you're here at The Grammy's where everyone else does know who you are'. That was the subtext, as I interpreted anyway. I understand the implications of the other interpretations, and people have made some good point about the marginalizing and ignorance of other genres. I don't think there's much more to this discussion than that, apart from to quote Ζreakshow in another thread, who put it as well as I've seen it put here: I won't disagree that Kelly could have stated it more eloquently, but it came across well enough to the point where the average person could see she meant no harm. |
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Post by bigb0882 on Feb 12, 2013 23:15:54 GMT -5
Kelly probably couldn't even tell you how many platinum certifications she has but almost every big fan on here could tell you. She simply does not pay attention to stuff like that. I can't tell you how many times Kelly has not known things about her own career so it is not a shock AT ALL that she knows nothing about Miguel, no matter how successful he has been in his genre. I don't see why she should know an artist just because he is on her label. So what? Clearly she has never met him or been told about him (as in someone trying to get them together for a song). Why is she expected to go through everyone under the Sony umbrella and listen to their entire catalogue? That seems silly. There was clearly no dis-respect meant and I am sure she would be very sorry to know some people took it that way but as long as Miguel isn't upset (and it seems he isn't) then what's the harm?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 23:48:35 GMT -5
Serious question: is ANYONE outside of Pulse still talking about Kelly's comment? I don't get the feeling anyone is.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2013 0:04:46 GMT -5
If I were up there, I wouldn't know anything about the country acts or most of the R&B acts at the Grammys, performing or nominated. I don't know why this is still talked about. Mark yet another pointless argument.
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Post by swim on Feb 13, 2013 0:21:58 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Every other place online and in other media outlets have praised her speech and her performance and people here are analyzing one line in her acceptance speech? #getalife
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Post by Juanca on Feb 13, 2013 1:04:33 GMT -5
I loved Kelly's speech. It was unfiltered. It also resonated with me because soon after Miguel started singing I had to stop whatever I was doing and then push rewind. And I said to myself 'Wow! That was awesome, why haven't I heard him before?! He's a great vocalist'
It was also obvious that Kelly is into country when she presented the award. I'm sure many r&b acts present there did not know of several country acts, which is understandable I think.
Anyway.
On another subject, it seems that Lumineers and M&S benefitted the most from the Grammys, whereas Taylor not much. JT also surged. Good!
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Post by esoteric76 on Feb 13, 2013 14:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by kylecburke on Feb 13, 2013 16:16:38 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious that people in this thread are still going on about Kellys speech when the rest of the world thought it was fine and moved on......seriously people...lets move on and discuss the more important things that are REAL news like...The guy who tried to get on stage during Adels win and Im surprised this thread had....HOW MANY pages discussing this...and nothing about Chris Brown...I mean seriously...him and his woman anddd his poor attitude? THat should be filling up this thread not something a pop star who lets face it...Isn't a HUGE award winner, doesnt care about thinking or taking this stuff seriously and just likes being her. Nobody took it in a negative way...and if the man himself didn't...why are the rest of you...it really doesn't concern you in the long run LOL.
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Post by wavey. on Feb 13, 2013 16:21:48 GMT -5
Man, this is on the verge..
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2013 16:25:18 GMT -5
You know people are grasping at straws when they're trying to bring Kelly down by referencing something she said in passing in an award acceptance speech.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2013 17:03:16 GMT -5
Serious question: is ANYONE outside of Pulse still talking about Kelly's comment? I don't get the feeling anyone is. Yes. Here is what Wale had to say: |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:43:36 GMT -5
^I already discussed Wale's comment in a previous post; it was made right after the show. Has anyone said anything since then? I'm specifically referring to media and not forum boards, where overanalyzing things is the norm.
I just don't know why we're dragging this out, since it's kind of obvious that as far as I can tell, it's just another thinly veiled excuse to argue about a Pulse 'diva.' There's nothing new to say on either side of the debate.
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Post by GrΓΌn on Feb 13, 2013 20:55:10 GMT -5
People need to calm down about Kelly. I mean my God have some sense of humor.
She meant " Wow you're amazing, You should be even bigger". He didnt care and took a picture with her.
Leave it to pulse trolls to come out of their caves and spread their innate jealousy of pure talent.
Catch her Breath if you can.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2013 21:55:38 GMT -5
The point for me - I can't speak for others - is that Kelly's comment is a sign/symptom of the larger issue of urban music being overlooked. That was Wale's point, too. The only R&B or hip-hop performances at the Grammys were Frank Ocean and a half-performance by Miguel. No R&B or hip-hop song has ever won Record of the Year. Few have won Song of the Year. Kelly not knowing Miguel despite him having a huge R&B hit that was nominated alongside her in Song of the Year shows the lack of interest many have in that type of music.
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Post by sbp17 on Feb 13, 2013 21:59:19 GMT -5
Leave it to pulse trolls to come out of their caves and spread their innate jealousy of pure talent. To be fair, the defensive posts are what have kept this going. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 13, 2013 22:01:01 GMT -5
No R&B song has ever won Record of the Year. Roberta Flack's "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", "Killing Me Softly With His Song", & Natalie Cole & Nat King Cole's "Unforgettable" say hi. ;) |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2013 22:12:03 GMT -5
I just realized that because Take Care won Best Album, that means Chantal Kreviazuk finally got her first Grammy!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 13, 2013 22:18:05 GMT -5
The Kelly comment reminded me of a funny situation I was in once. We had a famous author giving an interview and reading at our University and I was helping with the author's visit doing boring stuff like getting coffee or escorting her from place to place. During the interview, someone raised their hand and was like, hey I am here to get extra credit but I have no idea what you do-who are you and why are you here?
There was dead silence for a second and I could mentally feel every single one of my bosses who made the visit happen screaming silently on the inside. She got a nice bouquet of flowers that night and a LOT of ass-kissing. I did some of that ass-kissing.
Anyway, I think the question who the hell are you especially in a professional context (like, obviously he is a famous musician in his genre) will always be a tad rude. However, I also think Kelly was probably a bit tipsy and excited and did not mean it in a rude way AT ALL. She isn't a rude person and never will be. Overall, just not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 22:34:38 GMT -5
I cringed at the Kelly comment when I was watching(I don't think she meant any harm from it, just the way she said it). But of course some people will take anything and make it something massive.
Congrats Bey, Kelly, Frank, Janye, and Taylor <3
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Post by Push The Button on Feb 14, 2013 10:05:26 GMT -5
The point for me - I can't speak for others - is that Kelly's comment is a sign/symptom of the larger issue of urban music being overlooked. That was Wale's point, too. The only R&B or hip-hop performances at the Grammys were Frank Ocean and a half-performance by Miguel. No R&B or hip-hop song has ever won Record of the Year. Few have won Song of the Year. Kelly not knowing Miguel despite him having a huge R&B hit that was nominated alongside her in Song of the Year shows the lack of interest many have in that type of music. Apparently you didn't listen to the radio or watch television between 2001 and 2009. |
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Post by kylecburke on Feb 14, 2013 10:42:42 GMT -5
and if its the case of lack of interest why are we still focusing on what she said when she was complimenting him clearly..maybe next time she should just say "Who are you and why are you here" and then maybe the forum will be happy?
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 14, 2013 11:00:10 GMT -5
The point for me - I can't speak for others - is that Kelly's comment is a sign/symptom of the larger issue of urban music being overlooked. That was Wale's point, too. The only R&B or hip-hop performances at the Grammys were Frank Ocean and a half-performance by Miguel. No R&B or hip-hop song has ever won Record of the Year. Few have won Song of the Year. Kelly not knowing Miguel despite him having a huge R&B hit that was nominated alongside her in Song of the Year shows the lack of interest many have in that type of music. Apparently you didn't listen to the radio or watch television between 2001 and 2009. You mean when urban music was dominating the radio and culture...and yet still never won Record of the Year? "Say My Name" lost to U2. "Fallin'" and "Ms. Jackson" lost to U2. "Dilemma" and "Without Me" lost to Norah Jones. "Crazy In Love," "Hey Ya," and "Lose Yourself" lost to Coldplay. "Yeah!" lost to Ray Charles/Norah Jones. "We Belong Together" and "Gold Digger" lost to Green Day. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 14, 2013 11:02:04 GMT -5
No R&B song has ever won Record of the Year. Roberta Flack's "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", "Killing Me Softly With His Song", & Natalie Cole & Nat King Cole's "Unforgettable" say hi. ;) Just because those artists are black doesn't mean the music is R&B. Roberta Flack won Pop Female for "Killing Me Softly." Natalie Cole won Traditional Pop for Unforgettable. Next. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 11:24:57 GMT -5
The point for me - I can't speak for others - is that Kelly's comment is a sign/symptom of the larger issue of urban music being overlooked. That was Wale's point, too. The only R&B or hip-hop performances at the Grammys were Frank Ocean and a half-performance by Miguel. No R&B or hip-hop song has ever won Record of the Year. Few have won Song of the Year. Kelly not knowing Miguel despite him having a huge R&B hit that was nominated alongside her in Song of the Year shows the lack of interest many have in that type of music. Apparently you didn't listen to the radio or watch television between 2001 and 2009. Not going to jump into this argument much (no time and no interest) but yeah, it should be pointed out that jenglisbe is talking about r&b/hip-hop being overlooked by the Grammys - not radio or buyers in general. Even if one considers Roberta Flack and Natalie/Nat Cole's songs r&b (I'm sure most do now, but back then it might have been a different story) it's interesting that those are the only three examples to refute jenglisbe's claim. I knew hip-hop usually gets snubbed in the big 4 (Lauryn Hill, Outkast and Eminem are the only three to even be nominated for AOTY IIRC and some might argue Lauryn was more r&b than hip-hop) but it never occurred to me that r&b is almost as ignored in that regard. This is something I will have to research later when I have the time. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 14, 2013 12:22:33 GMT -5
Right. Even if some consider those songs R&B, it has still been over 20 years since one won ROTY. Considering how massive 'urban' music has been in the last 20+ years, that's insane. I don't really see how "Unforgettable" is R&B, though. It's either jazz or "traditional pop."
Things are a little better in Song of the Year where "Fallin'" and "Single Ladies" have each won, but those are about the only ones.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Feb 14, 2013 15:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 14, 2013 17:53:36 GMT -5
OMG Taylor Hicks won a Grammy? LMAO. We can't call him a complete flop now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 17:58:52 GMT -5
OMG Taylor Hicks won a Grammy? LMAO. We can't call him a complete flop now. Oh, s**t. I didn't even realize that he was a part of Jimmy Fallon's album. Holy crap. So that means he gets a trophy, too, since he was a feature, yes? So that makes 12 Grammys for Idol alums? 6 for Carrie Underwood, 3 for Kelly Clarkson, 1 for Fantasia, (edit) 1 for Jennifer Hudson and now 1 for Taylor Hicks. That's so weird to see his name listed as a Grammy winner. |
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 14, 2013 18:02:16 GMT -5
OMG Taylor Hicks won a Grammy? LMAO. We can't call him a complete flop now. Oh, s**t. I didn't even realize that he was a part of Jimmy Fallon's album. Holy crap. So that means he gets a trophy, too, since he was a feature, yes? So that makes 11 Grammys for Idol alums? 6 for Carrie Underwood, 3 for Kelly Clarkson, 1 for Fantasia, and now 1 for Taylor Hicks. That's so weird to see his name listed as a Grammy winner. And one for JHud too. I know it's so weird seeing him there LOL. |
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