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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 2, 2013 16:01:40 GMT -5
Note: Artpop is best enjoyed after taking some jello shots in preparation for a football game and dancing around your room in your underwear. Do it. Doooo ittttt.
(Except Dope-GTFO Dope)
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Post by Tortuga on Nov 2, 2013 16:02:35 GMT -5
Does Gypsy sounds like something from Eurovision song contest?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:02:43 GMT -5
I agree that some people want easily digestible pop hits out of an album; I just don't think the majority of the disappointed/bad reception to the album in this thread has been based on perceived lack of hit singles. Many have complained about the melodies, "loudness," lyrics, etc. and then said there aren't more than a couple of hit singles. It's not like this album is that out there, other than a few songs with really bizarre lyrics which Gaga is known for anyway.
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Post by josh on Nov 2, 2013 16:04:31 GMT -5
Note: Artpop is best enjoyed after taking some jello shots in preparation for a football game and dancing around your room in your underwear. Do it. Doooo ittttt. (Except Dope-GTFO Dope) everyone hates @touch PMA 2013 |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2013 16:05:04 GMT -5
That attempt to rationalize why people don't like the album doesn't really work. Someone can think an album is bad and doesn't have a bunch of his singles, and it doesn't mean they think the album is bad because it lacks hit singles. I was mostly talking about the reviews that seemed really obsessed with talking about every song through the lens of being a single or not. That, to me, seems weird because I give a cursory oh that might be a good single, but would never talk about an entire cd and each individual song about whether it could be a single or not. But, as I said, we all look for different things in music and some people are more concerned with stuff being radio friendly which is perfectly fine. The world would be boring if we all liked the same music or the same type of music or if every artist did the same exact stuff with every cd. I personally need some Selena Gomezes in my life (NO SHAME) at the same time as some Gagas. Lady Gaga is a mainstream artist, so that's why we think in terms of singles. If she wanted to be Bjork, then she shouldn't be pushing a mainstream agenda. |
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Post by popbox on Nov 2, 2013 16:06:46 GMT -5
Note: Artpop is best enjoyed after taking some jello shots in preparation for a football game and dancing around your room in your underwear. Do it. Doooo ittttt. (Except Dope-GTFO Dope) Lol. Seriously though, WTF is going on with her vocals on Dope? I Wanna Be With You at the iTunes festival sounded infinitely better because she sang amazingly. Whatever she's doing with her voice on that song she should never ever do again. |
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Post by popbox on Nov 2, 2013 16:08:33 GMT -5
I was mostly talking about the reviews that seemed really obsessed with talking about every song through the lens of being a single or not. That, to me, seems weird because I give a cursory oh that might be a good single, but would never talk about an entire cd and each individual song about whether it could be a single or not. But, as I said, we all look for different things in music and some people are more concerned with stuff being radio friendly which is perfectly fine. The world would be boring if we all liked the same music or the same type of music or if every artist did the same exact stuff with every cd. I personally need some Selena Gomezes in my life (NO SHAME) at the same time as some Gagas. Lady Gaga is a mainstream artist, so that's why we think in terms of singles. If she wanted to be Bjork, then she shouldn't be pushing a mainstream agenda. Using that logic then the Beatles should have never made Sgt. Peppers, Madonna never made Erotica, Kelly never done My December, the list goes on and on... |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2013 16:10:28 GMT -5
Erotica and My December were flops tho.
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Post by popbox on Nov 2, 2013 16:13:57 GMT -5
Erotica and My December were flops tho. I'm just saying that just because an artist is mainstream doesn't mean they don't have the "right" to go more left field if they want. Gaga doesn't have to stick to mainstream appeal if she feels like veering off that track. If Artpop flops it flops, but Applause is a hit and I don't see how DWUW won't be, so she's pretty much safe already from a "flop" era. |
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 2, 2013 16:15:25 GMT -5
I only listened to the studio version of "Sexxx Dreams", because I cannot wait anymore!! I will be buying the album the day it releases. :)
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Post by Myeahhh. on Nov 2, 2013 16:16:43 GMT -5
I was mostly talking about the reviews that seemed really obsessed with talking about every song through the lens of being a single or not. That, to me, seems weird because I give a cursory oh that might be a good single, but would never talk about an entire cd and each individual song about whether it could be a single or not. But, as I said, we all look for different things in music and some people are more concerned with stuff being radio friendly which is perfectly fine. The world would be boring if we all liked the same music or the same type of music or if every artist did the same exact stuff with every cd. I personally need some Selena Gomezes in my life (NO SHAME) at the same time as some Gagas. Lady Gaga is a mainstream artist, so that's why we think in terms of singles. If she wanted to be Bjork, then she shouldn't be pushing a mainstream agenda. huh? Is there a rulebook to pop music that I missed? Some of the greatest pop albums of all time came from weird experimentation, how do you think it has evolved over time? Edit: And I'm not talking about Erotica or My December lol |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2013 16:17:58 GMT -5
Erotica and My December were flops tho. I'm just saying that just because an artist is mainstream doesn't mean they don't have the "right" to go more left field if they want. Gaga doesn't have to stick to mainstream appeal if she feels like veering off that track. If Artpop flops it flops, but Applause is a hit and I don't see how DWUW won't be, so she's pretty much safe already from a "flop" era. And I agree with you on that. I already said that Gaga will be fine in the long run. She most certainly has every right to try and experiment with different sounds, as evident on ARTPOP. It's not bad by any means, it's just not as revolutionary as the hype made it out to be. Clearly not. She'll have a great first week. I'm gonna say 750k WW first week. |
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Post by popbox on Nov 2, 2013 16:21:20 GMT -5
I'm just saying that just because an artist is mainstream doesn't mean they don't have the "right" to go more left field if they want. Gaga doesn't have to stick to mainstream appeal if she feels like veering off that track. If Artpop flops it flops, but Applause is a hit and I don't see how DWUW won't be, so she's pretty much safe already from a "flop" era. And I agree with you on that. I already said that Gaga will be fine in the long run. She most certainly has every right to try and experiment with different sounds, as evident on ARTPOP. It's not bad by any means, it's just not as revolutionary as the hype made it out to be. Clearly not. She'll have a great first week. I'm gonna say 750k WW first week. I honestly didn't know there was any hype for Artpop saying it was gonna be "revolutionary" or something. I mean of course the hardcore fans and Gaga herself will hype any new release as much as possible, but I'd say the hype among the general public was very reasonable for the album to live up to. Nowhere near the impossible hype BTW was expected to meet. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 2, 2013 16:30:08 GMT -5
it doesn't mean they think the album is bad because it lacks hit singles. Exactly. There are some albums that just aren't commercial, and that doesn't mean they are bad. I am so  at that 'examiner review'. I was going to quote specific parts and comment on them, but it was going to be like 90% of it so I included just the thirstiest part: |
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Nov 2, 2013 16:34:17 GMT -5
I'm waiting until the actual release date, but I hope that there wasn't too much of a change to the songs that I liked at the Itunes festival.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:35:07 GMT -5
it doesn't mean they think the album is bad because it lacks hit singles. Exactly. There are some albums that just aren't commercial, and that doesn't mean they are bad. That wasn't really my point. I was saying someone can think the album is not good and comment that the album is lacking a bunch of hits (especially because Gaga is a mainstream pop artist), and it doesn't mean they think the album is bad because of the lack of hits. They just think the album is bad and doesn't have hits. In the same way, just because a mainstream pop artist puts out an album that is mostly devoid of hits doesn't make automatically make the album good, risky, "ahead of its time," etc. |
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Post by popbox on Nov 2, 2013 16:35:47 GMT -5
Do What U Want is definitely song of the album for me. It's so seamlessly smooth and perfect, and just has zero burn rate. It already feels like a classic to me. Swine is my second fav. Where DWUW represents Gaga at her commercial best, I think Swine is her at her experimental best.
Then Gypsy, Applause, Venus, Aura, and G.U.Y. are all kinda jammed together as my next favs.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2013 16:42:55 GMT -5
Do What U Want is definitely song of the album for me. It's so seamlessly smooth and perfect, and just has zero burn rate. It already feels like a classic to me. Swine is my second fav. Where DWUW represents Gaga at her commercial best, I think Swine is her at her experimental best. Then Gypsy, Applause, Venus, Aura, and G.U.Y. are all kinda jammed together as my next favs. I agree. ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:43:57 GMT -5
Seeing the tracklist for the first time, it's interesting that Applause is #16 and even DWUW is only #7. I wonder how close they were to having Aura/Venus as the first two singles.
I keep thinking she's saying Manequinn instead of Manicure.
The combination of those sharp deep synths and her demonic screaming on half the songs makes my head hurt.
My favourite besides Aura/Applause/DWUW/Venus is Guy and Sex Dreams. I'm still getting into it but the others haven't raised my interest yet.
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Post by Snowbeast on Nov 2, 2013 16:45:48 GMT -5
My Review
"And there are times when you have to listen," John said. "When your persona begins to take over your music and becomes more important, you enter a dangerous place. Once you have people around you who don't question you, you're in a dangerous place."
He even suggested Gaga follow in the footsteps of the New Zealand teen sensation Lorde, praising the 16-year-old’s hit, “Royals.” “It's just her voice and a drum machine, and it's beautiful in its simplicity,” he said. “It's the kind of direction Gaga should be going in."
After pushing the play button, one doesn't have to go further than the first track to distinguish merit in Elton's criticisms. The album opener "Aura" is a production cluster-f**k with a big magic chorus that you wish was saved for a song with better support in the verses. "Venus" seemingly follows the same blueprint of its predecessor with a colossal chorus surrounded by clutter production and cringe-worthy lyrics in verses. "G.U.Y" begins with an introduction that has you waiting for another space mess, but the song intelligently takes the album on a new path that is more sonically coherent. The T.I, Too Short & Twista assisted "Jewels & Drugs" gives the album a more urban production addition that although feels out of place, is positive for diversity among an album filled with predominantly club productions.
The album highlight Do What U Want feat. R Kelly produces what Elton desires from GaGa. It's hook and vocal performance comes off as effortless and creates one of the strongest things she has produced in years. R. Kelly adds a new level to the track and makes it a highlight for Artpop. From the title track, it seems to roll downhill with big club productions that seem to all blend together. It's all things we've heard before from GaGa, and although catchy as can be, can't help but appear a little bit stale. "Gypsy" provides a big finish for the album before the album's first single "Applause" kicks in to close the tracklist.
By the time the album finishes, one seems to wish GaGa would have taken Elton's advice. Not trying to imitate Royals exactly, but instead simplifying the production on almost everything. As shown by Do What U Want, Gypsy and G.U.Y, when the song isn't trying to be a "Lady GaGa song", it shines. A lot of the songs on Artpop have the ingredients for pop-perfection, but often it's only the chorus saving the songs drowning in chaotic production and forced avant-garde persona with unconventional lyrics.
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Post by anafan on Nov 2, 2013 16:48:40 GMT -5
After first listen I think BTW is the better album. I like Artpop, G.U.Y., and Gypsy the most after Applause and DUWU.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 2, 2013 17:16:49 GMT -5
I was mostly talking about the reviews that seemed really obsessed with talking about every song through the lens of being a single or not. That, to me, seems weird because I give a cursory oh that might be a good single, but would never talk about an entire cd and each individual song about whether it could be a single or not. But, as I said, we all look for different things in music and some people are more concerned with stuff being radio friendly which is perfectly fine. The world would be boring if we all liked the same music or the same type of music or if every artist did the same exact stuff with every cd. I personally need some Selena Gomezes in my life (NO SHAME) at the same time as some Gagas. Lady Gaga is a mainstream artist, so that's why we think in terms of singles. If she wanted to be Bjork, then she shouldn't be pushing a mainstream agenda. Why not? |
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Post by #MusicMan on Nov 2, 2013 17:19:32 GMT -5
I kinda wish I had never heard the iTunes Festival version of Sexxx Dreams, because it's 10000x better than the hot mess that is the studio version. It's totally spoilt it for me. It's like she's thrown everything (even the kitchen sink) into the album version.
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Post by smokey on Nov 2, 2013 17:31:48 GMT -5
Oh my god. G.U.Y. needs to be a single.
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Post by Mack on Nov 2, 2013 17:40:44 GMT -5
What's with the complaint that there are no potential singles on this album? I'm literally only four songs in, and I've already heard two tracks that would make decent singles- 'G.U.Y.' and 'Sexxx Dreams'. (I'd love for 'Venus' to receive an actual release, just because it's so gloriously weird, but I don't see that happening anymore.)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2013 17:58:29 GMT -5
Ok, 2nd listen in...
and my rating still stands, and my single choices still stand. Applause remains the best, DWYW is the best choice for #2, and Gypsy is an obvious #3, although it's going to have a hard time.
it's a shame really. I own all her albums, was at the Monster Ball, had plans to go to the BTW Ball before it got cancelled, and now we have this.
there are a few good songs: Aura, Venus, Applause, DWYW, Swine, G.U.Y., Sexxx Dreams, but honestly, the rest is pure noise. I had to literally take my headphones off to breathe a sigh of relief for my ears which were bleeding. Maybe I should've turned the volume down.
there are a number of tracks in which I simply can't even get thru: Jewels N Drugs, Donatella, Fashion!, MJH, and Dope. I just can't.
it sucks because she is my 3rd favorite, and I hate being coined as a hater because I don't like it. I mean, the album is so busy with noise that when you take your headphones off, it's a blessing almost. Which sucks.
but i'll stop with my nagging and only comment on singles and such, as I don't want to continually upset people. But man, it's a huge letdown for me. She should've concentrated on melodies more instead of beats, which I think were her main objective.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 2, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5
Where can I hear the album?
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Post by asiapop on Nov 2, 2013 18:05:01 GMT -5
I'm going to reserve judgement until I've listened to it multiple times. People complained endlessly about how loud applause was when it first came out and how non radio friendly it was and then ended up liking it and it became a radio hit. I don't think you can judge an album from 1-2 listens
Oh my ears did not bleed, give me break. You don't need to be extra dramatic just to prop up your favs
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Post by Mack on Nov 2, 2013 18:39:08 GMT -5
'Jewels 'n Drugs' is so, so bad. Why, Gaga, why? I think it may be my least favorite song of hers, ever.
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Post by BDGeek on Nov 2, 2013 18:50:33 GMT -5
Pretty pleased with the album overall. G.U.Y., Sexxx Dreams, and Gypsy would all make solid singles (in addition to Applause, DWUW, and Venus). Manicure, Donatella, Swine, and Aura are also good. I too am glad she made a fun album instead of a collection of bland AC midtempos like other pop acts have been doing lately.
But what the HELL did she do to "Dope??" It was actually a decent song when it was still "I Wanna Be With You." We get it Gaga, you love weed. But changing a heartfelt song about your fans to include glorifying a relatively non-addictive drug completely cheapens the message and turns it into a self parody.
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