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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 20, 2007 21:38:04 GMT -5
Noah, a fan asked Paul Doucette about a 2nd single and he said it would be "These Hard Times", just like you predicted. Rob & Paul both said in an radio interview that "All Your Reasons" is their favorite song. Do you think they'd release a 3rd single from this EP?
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 20, 2007 22:18:34 GMT -5
Noah, a fan asked Paul Doucette about a 2nd single and he said it would be "These Hard Times", just like you predicted. Rob & Paul both said in an radio interview that "All Your Reasons" is their favorite song. Do you think they'd release a 3rd single from this EP? I don't see why not, but it'll ultimately depend on when Rob Thomas wants to get into the studio to begin his sophomore solo record whether they go that deep with single releases or not. "All Your Reasons" is a decent track as well, though "These Hard Times" is the clear stand-out among the six new songs in my opinion. "I'll Believe You When" is the only song I'm disappointed with among the new recordings. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by shocker on Oct 21, 2007 1:00:27 GMT -5
I don't understand how this is doing better than "Over You" right now. I can't either when "Over You" is a much better-written and more melodic song IMO. Don't get me wrong - I consider myself a huge fan of MB20 and Rob Thomas; but MB20 has disappointed me on a couple of occasions. When they released "Disease" as their 1st single from More Than You Think You Are in '02, I thought that was a poor choice - as is "How Far We've Come" as a 1st release from their latest CD.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 21, 2007 9:25:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how this is doing better than "Over You" right now. I can't either when "Over You" is a much better-written and more melodic song IMO. Don't get me wrong - I consider myself a huge fan of MB20 and Rob Thomas; but MB20 has disappointed me on a couple of occasions. When they released "Disease" as their 1st single from More Than You Think You Are in '02, I thought that was a poor choice - as is "How Far We've Come" as a 1st release from their latest CD. That's interesting what you say about "Over You" since I view it as very formulaic and unoriginal. And I like Daughtry. I just think he falls into over-singing on occasion. Throttle it back a notch. I know Rob Thomas has been accused of the same thing too in the past. Regarding "Disease", I heard Rob say in an interview that it was the first song completed and they were getting pressure from their record co. to release the first single so it went first by default. I wasn't a big fan of that song either. But I am always surprised when people say it is just Smooth re-made. I don't hear it at all. But I love HFWC and think it was an excellent lead off single. Man, MB20 in the Top 20 on Pop. Who would have ever predicted that!
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 21, 2007 13:46:11 GMT -5
"How Far We've Come" is not doin better than "Over You"...You gotta look at CHR too IMO...If u were to poll people 25-45, I bet much more of them are familiar with "Over You" than "How Far We've Come"
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Post by Rumors on Oct 21, 2007 19:19:26 GMT -5
"How Far We've Come" is not doin better than "Over You"...You gotta look at CHR too IMO...If u were to poll people 25-45, I bet much more of them are familiar with "Over You" than "How Far We've Come" This is the HotAC forum. HFWC is doing better than Over You right now. I'm sure Over You isn't done though and may eventually reach #1. I'm going to revise what I posted earlier about Alicia being the touring partner. I just read that Sheryl Crow has a new album in February. My guess now is that she's their touring partner.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 22, 2007 7:47:21 GMT -5
"How Far We've Come" is not doin better than "Over You"...You gotta look at CHR too IMO...If u were to poll people 25-45, I bet much more of them are familiar with "Over You" than "How Far We've Come" This is the HotAC forum. HFWC is doing better than Over You right now. I'm sure Over You isn't done though and may eventually reach #1. With radio clusterization though (esp. Clear Channel) you have to look at CHR IMO to explain why one song is doin better than another on the HAC chart b/c for example many HACs might be playin Matchbox 20 more than Daughtry b/c CHRs that they co-own are playin Daughtry in high rotation, and M20 in much lower rotation But if you wanna strictly talk Hot AC, I think "How Far We've Come" is doin better than "Over You" (at least so far) b/c "How Far We've Come" is much more novel while "Over You" is a pretty generic song I think (even if you like it, "Over You" isn't a groundbreaking type of song like "How Far We've Come") BTW don't think "Over You" is goin to #1 HAC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 17:10:28 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong - I consider myself a huge fan of MB20 and Rob Thomas; but MB20 has disappointed me on a couple of occasions. When they released "Disease" as their 1st single from More Than You Think You Are in '02, I thought that was a poor choice - as is "How Far We've Come" as a 1st release from their latest CD. Interesting how mileages vary. My opinion is completely opposite. "Disease" and "How Far We've Come" are two of my all time favorite mb20 songs, ever. I love the names thrown out here for an MB20 touring partner. I'll be beside myself if Sheryl Crow, Brandi Carlisle, Annie Lennox, or Colbie Caillat tour with them, though I'm not placing any bets on any of them.
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Post by Chase on Oct 24, 2007 23:04:27 GMT -5
#3 at Hot AC and #13 at Triple A.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Oct 25, 2007 7:32:21 GMT -5
I loved "Disease". It had a sort of dance-rock feel to it.
But this song just doesn't do it for me.
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Post by arebomb on Oct 25, 2007 13:23:04 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how I'd rank the quality of songs as compared to most of the other fans
I'd rank the new songs:
All Your Reasons I'll Believe You When (I think this has some of the most beautiful lyrics Rob has ever written)
How Far We've Come
These Hard Times
Can't Let You Go
If I Fall
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Post by Kai on Oct 26, 2007 15:10:21 GMT -5
I tend to like the harder rocking matchbox/Thomas songs best, but, besides HFWC, I think These Hard Times is one of the best songs on the EP. If Rob didn't write most of that, I'll eat my hat. Saw him at a local radio gig and even accompanied just by an acoustic guitar the song was powerful. His voice was absolutely amazing. I think that will be an enduring hit for them.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 26, 2007 17:06:01 GMT -5
I tend to like the harder rocking matchbox/Thomas songs best, but, besides HFWC, I think These Hard Times is one of the best songs on the EP. If Rob didn't write most of that, I'll eat my hat. Saw him at a local radio gig and even accompanied just by an acoustic guitar the song was powerful. His voice was absolutely amazing. I think that will be an enduring hit for them. Yeah, I agree that it definitely sounds like a Rob song. Listened to it today and the lyrics remind me of another MB20 or Rob solo song, but I can't put my finger on it. The "you're going to miss it when it's gone" lyric sounds so familiar. Anyone recall what other MB20 or Rob song has that same sentiment. I'm starting to think that most of the lyrics on this new EP are Rob's with just a few tinkering by the other guys.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 27, 2007 13:53:22 GMT -5
I read this online:
Touring is Mute Math's bread and butter. In the past two years, they've hit most of the major music festivals -- Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, Voodoo, the Vans Warped Tour, the storied Reading festival in England. When the current two-month fall tour ends Nov. 11, they may still not be finished: They are in discussions to join Matchbox Twenty and Alanis Morissette as the opening act on an arena tour early next year.
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Post by blurple on Oct 27, 2007 17:53:51 GMT -5
I read this online: Touring is Mute Math's bread and butter. In the past two years, they've hit most of the major music festivals -- Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, Voodoo, the Vans Warped Tour, the storied Reading festival in England. When the current two-month fall tour ends Nov. 11, they may still not be finished: They are in discussions to join Matchbox Twenty and Alanis Morissette as the opening act on an arena tour early next year. Holy Crap! Alanis... OMG, that would be one great show... I hope that's true...
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 27, 2007 18:25:34 GMT -5
This is still #6 on iTunes entering the next week-end digital sales update for the next Billboard Hot 100 chart edition.
Quite a few singles are sliding down the higher reaches of the Billboard Hot 100, with little immediate new competition coming up behind "How Far We've Come" at the moment ("Kiss Kiss" already has leapfrogged the single as expected)
This single will inevitably climb at least several positions on the next chart edition, likely leapfrogging "Who Knew", "Big Girls Don't Cry", "Bed" and possibly "Ayo Technology" and "The Way I Are" as well (not so sure about the last one) Making the Top 10 is itself not out of the question for next week.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Rumors on Nov 4, 2007 12:22:01 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled with a MB20/Alanis double bill if it is true.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 4, 2007 12:33:06 GMT -5
HFWC was starting to lose spins on Hot AC but now it's back to +7. Looks like #3 will be its peak, a small possibility of #2 if it can hang in there while Pink's "Who Knew" falls. But it's close to the end of it's gutsy run up the charts. Question: when SHOULD the second single (These Hard Times) be released in your opinion?
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Post by singingsparrow on Nov 4, 2007 12:45:12 GMT -5
HFWC was starting to lose spins on Hot AC but now it's back to +7. Looks like #3 will be its peak, a small possibility of #2 if it can hang in there while Pink's "Who Knew" falls. But it's close to the end of it's gutsy run up the charts. Question: when SHOULD the second single (These Hard Times) be released in your opinion? The third week of January I believe would be good, following the holiday chart freeze. The single is still rising at a respectable pace at CHR/Pop, and may make the Top 15 if it holds steady. But beyond that, the single has already accomplished all it has set out to do: it has been very successful in digital sales, it has built upon the already-impressive streak of Top 5 singles at Hot AC they have inherited, and its crossover success has helped keep album sales fairly steady thus far. The band is preparing to tour both the United States and Australia next year, so they should release their next single certainly as they prepare to spend roughly five months on the road as I have read. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Rumors on Nov 6, 2007 5:42:41 GMT -5
Noah, your theory on These Hard Times sounds about right to me. They will release a new song/video in January to help promote the album and tour. I'm not sure we'll see a third single. I guess it depends on whether or not the album can stay in the top 100 on the charts and when Rob expects to release his next studio album. I would expect he'll release his album in the Spring/Summer of 2009.
Anyone know anything about the opener? MuteMath?
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 6, 2007 13:07:57 GMT -5
Noah, your theory on These Hard Times sounds about right to me. They will release a new song/video in January to help promote the album and tour. I'm not sure we'll see a third single. I guess it depends on whether or not the album can stay in the top 100 on the charts and when Rob expects to release his next studio album. I would expect he'll release his album in the Spring/Summer of 2009. Anyone know anything about the opener? MuteMath? I got the impression that Rob's 2nd solo album is pretty much in the can. Maybe not totally recorded but a good chunk of it decided. So I would hope & expect it to be released before Christmas in 2008. Then MB20 can come back in the fall of 2009 with a full studio album. Did I hear that they have definitely committed to Steve Lillywhite for the next album? I would love to have in inside scoop on the relationship with Matt Serletic and how he figures into things going forward. They always called him a sixth member of the band. I would love to know how the decision was made to move to Steve Lillywhite and whether Matt agreed with that decision or was disappointed. I've also been wondering if they considered any other producers other than Lillywhite.
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Post by crazyfun1 on Nov 6, 2007 19:23:16 GMT -5
I think I'm more interested to know why MB20 don't Produce themselves? Look at DMB, Sheryl Crow, etc..a ton of artists do it all themselves, intead of relying on others to make it for them.I think MB20 have been around long enough that they should Produce themselves, and prove they don't need anyone to do it for them, and it's more respectable, among other things.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 6, 2007 21:37:35 GMT -5
Maybe they like outside input. Gives each of their records a different perspective and sound, I guess. Otherwise, it all starts to sound the same.
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Post by singingsparrow on Nov 7, 2007 3:37:33 GMT -5
Noah, your theory on These Hard Times sounds about right to me. They will release a new song/video in January to help promote the album and tour. I'm not sure we'll see a third single. I guess it depends on whether or not the album can stay in the top 100 on the charts and when Rob expects to release his next studio album. I would expect he'll release his album in the Spring/Summer of 2009. Anyone know anything about the opener? MuteMath? My guess is whether or not a third single is released will depend on how long they decide to tour "Exile On Mainstream" and how soon Rob Thomas wants to complete recording sessions for his sophomore solo venture. Besides "Can't Let You Go" (which I consider too slow for radio) any one of the remaining tracks would make a fine single choice. My hunch is it'll be a toss-up between "I'll Believe You When" and "If I Fall", both of which are middle-of-the-road, hook-driven pop songs at least partially guitar-driven (the latter more guitar-driven than the former) "All Your Reasons" is a fine song too, but will sound stranger to listeners I think than the former two tracks with all the back-up vocals. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Rumors on Nov 7, 2007 6:40:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure there are additional surefire HotAC hits on the album. I think before the band decides about a third single they'll want to see if These Hard Times helps the album sell. If it doesn't, I doubt there will be a third single for the reasons already mentioned. EOM's sales after five weeks are around 300,000. That's a respectable number but it's not earthshattering. The only other country the album is doing well in is Australia (per my knowledge). So they don't have a lot of big international sales to possibly justify a third single. If they had a "can't miss" hit, I could see a third single buy I don't really hear one. With that said, I would go with All Your Reasons as the third single but I'm not really confident in that either. I think it's the catchiest of the remaining new songs. Strong chorus...not sure about the background vocals...may not appeal to the female HotAC listener much.
I doubt Matt Serletic was overjoyed to be replaced as producer. Matt's connection to the band is through Rob. I doubt that he keeps up a friendship with the other band members. Not that there are any bad feelings, just that he isn't that close to anyone in the group other than Rob (speculation only). Rob said that Matt will produce his next album which I'm really looking forward to. I see MB20 as Rob's side project at this stage. While I like the new MB20 songs, I'm not in love with any of them (other than HFWC). I think as Rob approaches his 40s that he will eventually move into a much more singer/songwriter mode...hopefully, add a little more storytelling to some of his songs (i.e., Rest Stop).
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 7, 2007 11:45:36 GMT -5
I think I'm more interested to know why MB20 don't Produce themselves? Look at DMB, Sheryl Crow, etc..a ton of artists do it all themselves, intead of relying on others to make it for them.I think MB20 have been around long enough that they should Produce themselves, and prove they don't need anyone to do it for them, and it's more respectable, among other things. I've thought of this too. I've noticed many bands produce their own stuff and wondered if and when MB20 would go that route. But I've heard that Rob & Paul are often quite strident in their opinions of how a song should be made, so maybe they need a mediator to help keep the peace. Or, since they've always used Matt Serletic, they now are breaking out to work with producers they really admire and want to collaborate with. It seems like Kyle Cook and Brian Yale are more laid back and hands off when it comes to the production of the album and shows. So it's seems like it's often a tug of war between Rob & Paul. These six new songs are all listed as written by MB20, so the financial arrangements have definitely changed. Rob is not the sole beneficiary of all the radio play they get on any new singles like he has been on most past singles. And I've wondered what percentage Adam Gaynor will get of this EOM album since he played on 11 of the 17 songs.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 9, 2007 17:56:10 GMT -5
Alanis Morissette IS the touring companion for MB20. Some shows are popping up on Ticketmaster. One's on a Saturday night in Niagara Falls in Feb. Hmmmmmm. Do I make the trek from Cleveland in February?? Got a few weeks to decide.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 9, 2007 18:02:35 GMT -5
Alanis Morissette IS the touring companion for MB20. Some shows are popping up on Ticketmaster. One's on a Saturday night in Niagara Falls in Feb. Hmmmmmm. Do I make the trek from Cleveland in February?? Got a few weeks to decide. ^ I would. Two of my favorite things, a somewhat long drive and Matchbox Twenty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2007 19:26:00 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled with Alanis as the opener (sometimes I think I'm the only person on Pulse who doesn't love her, but I find her voice unlistenable).
No matter, I'm going anyway for MB20, and can't wait!
Presale tickets (through the fan club) go on sale Wednesday morning. Here's the tour schedule:
Jan 25, 2008 Hard Rock Live at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino Hollywood, FL Jan 26, 2008 St. Pete Times Forum Tampa, FL Jan 28, 2008 Philips Arena Atlanta, GA Jan 29, 2008 Cricket Arena Charlotte, NC Feb 1, 2008 Sears Centre Chicago, IL Feb 2, 2008 Palace of Auburn Hills Detroit, MI Feb 4, 2008 Xcel Energy Center St. Paul, MN Feb 5, 2008 Bradley Center Milwaukee, WI Feb 7, 2008 Quicken Loans Arena Cleveland, OH Feb 8, 2008 Patriot Center Fairfax, VA Feb 12, 2008 Turning Stone Resort & Casino Verona, NY Feb 14, 2008 Madison Square Garden New York, NY Feb 15, 2008 The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa Event Center Atlantic City, NJ Feb 16, 2008 Seneca Niagara Casino Theatre Niagara Falls, NY Feb 18, 2008 Mohegan Sun Arena Uncasville, CT Feb 19, 2008 Sovereign Center Reading, PA Feb 21, 2008 Times Union Center Albany, NY Feb 22, 2008 Air Canada Centre Toronto, ON Feb 25, 2008 Sprint Center Kansas City, MO Feb 26, 2008 Qwest Center Omaha, NE Feb 28, 2008 Toyota Center Houston, TX Feb 29, 2008 Nokia Theatre Dallas, TX Mar 2, 2008 Ford Center Oklahoma City, OK Mar 4, 2008 World Arena Colorado Springs, CO Mar 5, 2008 Broomfield Events Center Denver, CO Mar 6, 2008 E Center Salt Lake City, UT Mar 8, 2008 Key Arena Seattle, WA Mar 9, 2008 General Motors Place Vancouver, BC Mar 12, 2008 HP Pavilion San Jose, CA Mar 14, 2008 Reno Events Center Reno, NV Mar 16, 2008 Staples Center Arena Los Angeles, CA Mar 17, 2008 Cricket Pavilion Phoenix, AZ Mar 18, 2008 The Pearl Concert Theater Las Vegas, NV
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 12, 2007 22:05:57 GMT -5
I broke down and joined the fan club to get good seats. So, how does it work? Do they email you a code or something?? I need to get this figured out if tix go on sale on Wednesday AM. And do you know what time on Wednesday. Gotta do it before work, or sneak at work. Thanks.
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