Lifehouse - First Time

[Kid Pulse]

minusname said:

I think the lyrics for this song are great! I think there are plenty of meaning in them. Depending on what happens to Pink this next week, Lifehouse could make the top 5 next week. I'm not sure if this will make #1, but top 3 is almost a guarantee.

Has anyone heard "Broken?" It's listed as the second featured song on the album. It's amazing. I think it may be one of the best songs from Lifehouse.

Yeah!! That song is probably my favorite that I've heard from the album so far. I think that should be the seccond single. I think it could go top 5 for the same reasons "You and Me" was such a smash.

[shocker]

atlantaboy said:

I love "First Time" but I don't think it'll be #1 on Hot AC - can't remember the last time a song this rock-edged with such a fast beat hit #1 on Hot AC -

Well, let's see -
What about "One Headlight" in 1997? Not quite as fast of a beat as this Lifehouse song, but certainly had a rock edge to it.

What about Smash Mouth's #1 Hot AC hits from the late '90s - "Walkin' on the Sun" and "All Star". These aren't really hard rock songs, but pretty rockin' still, and very upbeat!

[atlantaboy]

Can't agree with you here - "One Headlight," "All Star," and "Walking On The Sun" all have beats that are half the speed and intensity of "First Time" - the problem with "First Time" hitting #1 I think is the number of Hot AC's that still have to cater to higher age demogaphics during the workday

[Kid Pulse]

Here's a few to consider:

"Slide" by The Goo Goo Dolls (1999)



"Hanging by a Moment" by Lifehouse (2001)
I know it's not as fast as "First Time", but still pretty rock-edged. I agree with The Wallflowers example too.

[atlantaboy]

"Hey There Delilah" will surpass "First Time" within the next few weeks - guaranteed (I think) - still think "First Time" is simply too "loud" a track for people to be cranking in the office during the workday hours and will remain in evening/nighttime rotation in more conservative Hot AC's - "Slide" was more of an acoustic track (even though it was fast) - "First Time" is more electric - think it will peak in the Top 5

[mrclimbfall20]

atlantaboy said:

"Hey There Delilah" will surpass "First Time" within the next few weeks - guaranteed (I think) - still think "First Time" is simply too "loud" a track for people to be cranking in the office during the workday hours and will remain in evening/nighttime rotation in more conservative Hot AC's - "Slide" was more of an acoustic track (even though it was fast) - "First Time" is more electric - think it will peak in the Top 5

I think "Savin' Me" by Nickelback is just as loud as "First Time" and that was a solid hit.

[atlantaboy]

"Savin' Me" was set at about half the speed of "First Time"

[mrclimbfall20]

What do you mean?

[atlantaboy]

mrclimbfall20 said:

What do you mean?

"First Time" has a drumbeat which is twice as fast as the beat in "Savin' Me" (drummer plays twice as fast) - "Savin' Me" is loud, but it's still at a ballad tempo, which I think is better suited for #1 Hot AC hits - not sure I explained this the best I could - still think "First Time" will reach the Top 5, if not the Top 3, but not #1 (at this point I hope I'm right :)

[mrclimbfall20]

Oh ok.

[shocker]

"Savin' Me" was a rock ballad, and very much suited for #1 status on Hot AC. It even made the top 30 on regular AC. I would not describe it as loud or hard.

Since we're on Nickelback songs, I think their 1st hit "How You Remind Me" was pretty intense, even though it was set at a lower tempo. It spent 19 weeks at #2 at Hot AC, so it racked up as many points as any #1 song on this format would.

"First Time" has a rock edge to it, but it's not really hard enough to drive away the workday crowd. It's actually pretty catchy. If you want to talk about intense songs, some Hot ACs are playing Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Nine Inch Nails as '90s recurrents - mostly late at night. Most of their songs are pretty hard IMO!

[Kid Pulse]

Wasn't it 17 weeks at #2? Because "Wherever You will Go" spent 20 weeks at #1, and wouldn't that mean there would have to be a strange jump to #1 (most likely)?


And yeah, they do tend to play those hits later at night. Where do you think this will peak?

[MinusName]

This song is not that hard at all. This will go top 3, but if "Broken" is the second single, I'm thinking it could go #1. Hopefully this will be the album that gives Lifehouse more than just 1 hit.

[mrclimbfall20]

minusname said:

This song is not that hard at all. This will go top 3, but if "Broken" is the second single, I'm thinking it could go #1. Hopefully this will be the album that gives Lifehouse more than just 1 hit.

I think they're gonna have 2 or 3 moderate hits from this album, which would be a first for them lol

[atlantaboy]

Just downloaded off I-tunes a bunch of songs from this CD and I agree that they'll have multiple hits off this CD - I think "Broken" might be a bigger hit than "First Time" - "First Time" isn't that "hard," it just doesn't sound like a #1 hit to me - as a side note, I've heard that "You And Me" has become the most popular wedding song in the country

[shocker]

video545 said:

Wasn't it 17 weeks at #2? Because "Wherever You will Go" spent 20 weeks at #1, and wouldn't that mean there would have to be a strange jump to #1 (most likely)?


And yeah, they do tend to play those hits later at night. Where do you think this will peak?

I was actually going by Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart, which in 2001 had a different ranking than R&R or Mediabase. "How You Remind Me" spent 19 weeks at #2 on Billboard - the most weeks at #2 ever.

Hard to tell where "First Time" will peak. "Home" is still going strong; and there is quite a bit of competition for the next #1 song by Maroon5 and Plain White T's. I'm guessing - and hoping - "First Time" peaks in the top 3.

[atlantaboy]

I'm going back to my original prediction - Daughtry stays at #1 for at least another month and a half, holds off Maroon 5, and "Hey There Delilah" is the next Hot AC #1 - "First Time" slows down, peaks in the Top 5 (hopefully the top 3, but depends on the competition), and then falls pretty quickly - still hoping "Broken" will bring Lifehouse an even bigger chart hit

[Haley]

I was just looking through my program guide. They're showing the video to this tonight on The-N at 9:25. :)

You can also watch it here.

www.geffen.com/artist/player/default.aspx?mid=3271&aid=396&bhcp=1

[Kid Pulse]

shocker said:

video545 said:

Wasn't it 17 weeks at #2? Because "Wherever You will Go" spent 20 weeks at #1, and wouldn't that mean there would have to be a strange jump to #1 (most likely)?


And yeah, they do tend to play those hits later at night. Where do you think this will peak?

I was actually going by Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart, which in 2001 had a different ranking than R&R or Mediabase. "How You Remind Me" spent 19 weeks at #2 on Billboard - the most weeks at #2 ever.

Hard to tell where "First Time" will peak. "Home" is still going strong; and there is quite a bit of competition for the next #1 song by Maroon5 and Plain White T's. I'm guessing - and hoping - "First Time" peaks in the top 3.

Well then that makes sense. Do they go by music sales or something?

I agree with that prediction, but I think Lifehouse will have a chance at #1 at least.

[atlantaboy]

video545 said:

shocker said:

I was actually going by Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart, which in 2001 had a different ranking than R&R or Mediabase. "How You Remind Me" spent 19 weeks at #2 on Billboard - the most weeks at #2 ever.

Hard to tell where "First Time" will peak. "Home" is still going strong; and there is quite a bit of competition for the next #1 song by Maroon5 and Plain White T's. I'm guessing - and hoping - "First Time" peaks in the top 3.

Well then that makes sense. Do they go by music sales or something?

Billboard's radio station panel is (or used to be) much smaller then R&R's, empasizing only the largest markets in the U. S.

[Hot AC Archiver]

Billboard/R&R's current panel is 82 stations. The panel Mediabase uses for its "published charts" is 89.

[atlantaboy]

at40fantoo said:

Billboard/R&R's current panel is 82 stations. The panel Mediabase uses for its "published charts" is 89.

7 stations can definitely make a difference in compiling chart data - also, I'm pretty sure Billboard's panel used to be even smaller in the early 2000s when "How You Remind Me" came out

[Haley]

They're using this song in a Dodge Commercial. I just saw it.

[shocker]

Well then that makes sense. Do they go by music sales or something?

No, Billboard's Adult Top 40 and AC charts are airplay-based only, just like R&R's.

That's what puzzled me about the different rankings on the 2 sources. They must have used a slightly different sampling of airplay data, such as more stations being monitored on one source, and fewer on the other. That can make a difference in chart performance.

I'm glad Billboard and R&R have the same chart rankings now.

[atlantaboy]

shocker said:

Well then that makes sense. Do they go by music sales or something?

No, Billboard's Adult Top 40 and AC charts are airplay-based only, just like R&R's.

That's what puzzled me about the different rankings on the 2 sources. They must have used a slightly different sampling of airplay data, such as more stations being monitored on one source, and fewer on the other. That can make a difference in chart performance.

I'm glad Billboard and R&R have the same chart rankings now.

I also remember Billboard at one time taking station market size into consideration (i. e. "gross impressions etc.), which could have made a big difference back then

[atlantaboy]

Looks like I was right (not to gloat) - Plain White T's will be overtaking Lifehouse really soon

[Kid Pulse]

I saw the video this morning for the First Time (some pun intended)

[atlantaboy]

I love this video (saw it this morning)!! Much better than video for "You And Me" - hope video boosts this on Top 40

[MinusName]

3 3 NICKELBACK If Everyone Cared 3030 3277 -247 14.177
4 4 GWEN STEFANI The Sweet Escape 3004 3246 -242 13.948
7 5 LIFEHOUSE First Time 2865 2651 214 12.256
5 6 PINK U + Ur Hand 2733 2768 -35 11.671
10 7 PLAIN WHITE T'S Hey There Delilah 2615 2251 364 12.731

Top 5 now!! It looks like it could make #3 next week but then will drop to #4 when Plain White T's overtakes it (unfortunately).

It's also starting to take off faster at Pop. #35, +221, with still less than half of the stations playing it! Most of the increase isn't coming from new stations, but stations just putting it in higher rotation. A good sign!

[mrclimbfall20]

It's #3 now!