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Post by bamaefule on May 4, 2011 17:04:58 GMT -5
I see. It's still weird that he has performed on both AI and Ellen's show and people still don't seem to be responding to his song. Maybe it just isn't the right time for him? Or maybe people don't like the song cause it's really bad...it doesn't matter how many times you perform a bad song - people aren't gonna start liking it more I mean I don't really like the song but man AI is huge, you'd think it could at least crack the top 100 of iTunes, but you're right sometimes if the audience doesn't connect with the song it doesn't matter about promotion.
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Post by Hook on May 4, 2011 17:50:15 GMT -5
I'm kind of wondering whether they should just pull this single and forget it ever happened. The HAC adds so far aren't bad, but the lack of response post-AI is troubling. I initially loved the song, but that has disappeared. I think I was just excited for new music from him. The song really isn't that good tbh.
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Post by central80 on May 4, 2011 17:51:22 GMT -5
I hope this doesnt follow "Something Bout Love's" footsteps This would be a bigger and much higher profile failure IMO than Something Bout Love. Cook had the bigger advantage of active management and label support, and silver platter promo Archuleta didn't have - like a primo performance spot on Idol to give him all the help needed to launch this single. SBL just had Archuleta's fans, no promo of this type at all, and it still charted/peaked higher on Itunes than TLG. TLG sold approx. the same amount as SBL debut week, with all that promo. He is starting it seems all over again, and for an Idol winner, one as 'successful' as he was just 3 short years ago, it's kinda sobering, and a sign of the times. Nobody is immune to an occasional failure, nobody.
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Post by out of reach on May 4, 2011 17:53:02 GMT -5
I'm kind of wondering whether they should just pull this single and forget it ever happened. The HAC adds so far aren't bad, but the lack of response post-AI is troubling. I initially loved the song, but that has disappeared. I think I was just excited for new music from him. The song really isn't that good tbh. i'm not sure what they should do. They could release a second single and maybe push the album back a month or two or like you said just pull this one but it seems unlikely as they booked to shoot a video for the TLG. The bigger concern is radio airplay and promotion. I hope they figure it out otherwise this is going to be a huge flop, album included.
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Post by central80 on May 4, 2011 17:56:54 GMT -5
I'm kind of wondering whether they should just pull this single and forget it ever happened. The HAC adds so far aren't bad, but the lack of response post-AI is troubling. I initially loved the song, but that has disappeared. I think I was just excited for new music from him. The song really isn't that good tbh. I'm almost inclined to agree. It would be a big reality check for him and his fans, for sure, but when this song fell out of the top 1000 on itunes last night, after just 2 weeks of release, I kinda lost the last bit of hope anything much could be salvaged. It's like the elephant in the room no one is willing or has the guts to admit they see, but barring a miracle, I do think this song is done.
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Post by out of reach on May 4, 2011 18:03:37 GMT -5
yes but what is there to be done? Anybody besides the top Divas need airplay and promotion, yes the promo part kinda fell flat but this could recover if radio picks this up. If he has a sure fire hit then yes maybe they need to release it asap but the biggest problem I see is that there is no general interest in him and he's not buzz worthy. Which I hate but Jordin Sparks releases a bikini photo and she a trending topic on news sites. Blecch
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Post by Hook on May 4, 2011 18:11:38 GMT -5
yes but what is there to be done? Anybody besides the top Divas need airplay and promotion, yes the promo part kinda fell flat but this could recover if radio picks this up. If he has a sure fire hit then yes maybe they need to release it asap but the biggest problem I see is that there is no general interest in him and he's not buzz worthy. Which I hate but Jordin Sparks releases a bikini photo and she a trending topic on news sites. Blecch That's why his material is so important. He doesn't have any of that buzz, so he needs great songs to break through and actually get attention. Apparently just an Idol performance wasn't enough to do that. I don't know what's on his album, but I sure hope there are a lot stronger songs than TLG. They seem to have picked this just because it's poppy, and possibly because it's a Tedder song.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 4, 2011 18:18:21 GMT -5
Or maybe people don't like the song cause it's really bad...it doesn't matter how many times you perform a bad song - people aren't gonna start liking it more I mean I don't really like the song but man AI is huge, you'd think it could at least crack the top 100 of iTunes, but you're right sometimes if the audience doesn't connect with the song it doesn't matter about promotion. I think if Cook had just won Idol within the past month or so people would download it off hype - but he won a couple years ago, the excitement around him has worn off, and he's putting out a song that I don't think anyone could market successfully
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Post by lovegoodmusic on May 4, 2011 23:08:09 GMT -5
This most probably is the lightest song on his new album, and this is what RCA wanted. This is not David's fault. Besides the song is catchy, and that's the point for radio play. And the song is doing well on HAC, and will continue to climb. The song has 15 ads so far, and it was just released to HAC radio on May 2nd, just two days ago. That doesn't sound like a flop to me. Also, I have faith because his voice is different and there is no auto-tune abuse on this song. And personally, I think it's a breath of fresh air to hear this kind of pop song, i.e. intense lyrics, instead of club dancing or some other type of voodoo auto-tuned freak song. YMMV. Here's a new song from his upcoming album that he played at the Washington DC, concert for Hope. This is some good stuff. Enjoy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m4lf-x9QwQ
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Post by greenlight on May 4, 2011 23:41:14 GMT -5
Daughtry's September had a similar fate last year. It got a mild response after the idol performance (sold 9k), then disappeared off ITunes for three weeks, only to reappear when radio play picked up.
The big difference with TLG is of course that it was the third single of an album that had sold 1 million at the time, but still, it was a lukewarm response for Daughtry that could have led to the conclusion that the single was not liked.
There has been many songs declared dead here that ended up doing well, so I for one, will wait until we are able to really gauge the response from radio stations to declare anything.
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Post by Hook on May 5, 2011 10:02:56 GMT -5
Lee's Sweet Serendipity managed to make Top 30 here, so it would really seem like this song making it wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by out of reach on May 5, 2011 13:32:31 GMT -5
Lee's Sweet Serendipity managed to make Top 30 here, so it would really seem like this song making it wouldn't be a problem. Yes, I think it will easily make top 30 but for this to have any impact it needs to make it top 10 and then crossover otherwise the sales will not be there.
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Post by lockebox on May 5, 2011 18:57:26 GMT -5
^ Same here. Originally, I thought it was pretty sub-par. The lack of interest is a bit strange, I must say.
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Post by esoteric76 on May 6, 2011 10:34:52 GMT -5
Lee's Sweet Serendipity managed to make Top 30 here, so it would really seem like this song making it wouldn't be a problem. I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but Lee's track was better. I'm sure that Cook's track WOULD sell if radio embraces it, but that's a big "if" at this point. The question is, is there anyone calling the stations to request the song??
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Post by idolman88 on May 6, 2011 12:21:24 GMT -5
This most probably is the lightest song on his new album, and this is what RCA wanted. This is not David's fault. Besides the song is catchy, and that's the point for radio play. And the song is doing well on HAC, and will continue to climb. The song has 15 ads so far, and it was just released to HAC radio on May 2nd, just two days ago. That doesn't sound like a flop to me. Also, I have faith because his voice is different and there is no auto-tune abuse on this song. And personally, I think it's a breath of fresh air to hear this kind of pop song, i.e. intense lyrics, instead of club dancing or some other type of voodoo auto-tuned freak song. YMMV. Here's a new song from his upcoming album that he played at the Washington DC, concert for Hope. This is some good stuff. Enjoy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m4lf-x9QwQYes I agree, I don't know why everyone here is freaking out about "The Last Goodbye". Yeah maybe it's generic, but I think it's a solid single and I have faith in Matt Serletic and David. I still have a really good feeling about the rest of the songs on the album. What I've heard shows alot of promise.
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Post by slamina on May 6, 2011 13:00:42 GMT -5
The problem is the extremely long wait in between the first and second albums. During all that time, he has lost whatever buzz he had. It's a shame really. His last album really did do quite well, but I knew the longer it took to get this single out, the more likely this situation would be to occur. The song is decent but nothing memorable. I used to be a huge fan, but he's been so out of the spotlight and it has taken so long to get out this new music, I've become apathetic towards him and his career. I hope at least he can put out a great album because it's not looking good right about now.
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Post by trei1658 on May 6, 2011 19:32:00 GMT -5
According to David's band members, he shot the music video for TLG yesterday. Monty Anderson (bass): “Video shoot day 1…..yep made my “acting” debut (if you want to call it that). Thank god its a silent part!!” Andy Skib (rhythm guitar/piano): Happy Cinco De Mayo Video Shoot Day! t.co/sVG3AZsNeal Tiemann (lead guitar): “I’ve been playing, exclusively, G’N’R & Van Halen (not Hagar) at this video shoot.” …”I’m doing another video w David Cook.”
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Post by folkfan on May 7, 2011 9:59:52 GMT -5
I think it should make top 50 on HAC, which will make it a lot easier to track.
It's the catchiest of his singles to date, IMO, so I believe it will ultimately get good airplay Once it does, we'll see how it sells.
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Post by central80 on May 7, 2011 11:03:43 GMT -5
'Ultimately' is the operative word. How long or how much time will RCA invest in pushing/promoting this single on radio and in the media if it doesn't begin to show signs of life sales wise on I-tunes? At what level of spins /audience impression does it need to begin getting in order to re-enter the Top 1000 on Itunes? This is the most troubling fact of all, that after just two weeks of release, there was not enough organic buzz and interest from the base /casual fans to keep this song from falling down and out of the Itunes chart. With the Ryan Tedder association, I thought there would be more initial hype/buzz than there was. Is that association more a positive or negative for him I wonder, in regard to those trying to label him as rock, pop, pop/rock or whatever iteration they need. The song has been averaging more or less approx 30+ spins on monitored HAC stations daily the last week, but these are predominately overnight or test spins, very sporadic spins on the stations during primetime. If this is the catchiest tune to date, the most pop friendly/radio friendly song on the CD, what song is left to help sell the CD if this one tanks? This isn't a rhetorical question, It's a serious one, as from what I've heard so far, the videos from DC, nothing is jumping out at me as a suitable replacement on radio. Maybe the meme his fans have been propogating of him being more an album seller than singles seller is true, but will that be enough this go around, in this musical climate? I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 7, 2011 13:17:29 GMT -5
'Ultimately' is the operative word. How long or how much time will RCA invest in pushing/promoting this single on radio and in the media if it doesn't begin to show signs of life sales wise on I-tunes? There's a lot of stuff in the Hot AC Top 20 though that's barely done anything on I-Tunes - I think it's just a matter of whether HAC listeners go for the song or not
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Post by folkfan on May 7, 2011 17:02:45 GMT -5
Just to be clear, we don't know if this is the most radio friendly song on the CD. We've only heard four of the songs, and I'd say that Paper Heart could be very radio friendly. But of the four mainstream singles that he's put out, (Time of My Life, Light On, Come Back to Me, and The Last Goodbye), I'd say that this is the most natural fit for radio. So, I tend to think that it will get airplay. At that point, we'll see if it gets sales. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by greenlight on May 8, 2011 2:11:57 GMT -5
I think that RCA will be happy if the single sells the CD, even if it doesn't sell itself very much.
Whether it does or not is the question. It should reach the HAC top 50 in the next few days and it will be easier to track. We'll have its audience impression and see whether it is decent for the spin count of an HAC track.
We'll have to see...
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Post by secretchef on May 8, 2011 21:05:46 GMT -5
this just went for adds, I'd have to think RCA will push it at least as hard as Lee's single, if not harder. I think it's just going to be very slow. It'll get there, but will people buy is the big question. Cook will also be back on Idol to sing the boot song in a few weeks.
ETA: WPLJ added today.
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Post by esoteric76 on May 9, 2011 15:01:10 GMT -5
Cook will also be back on Idol to sing the boot song in a few weeks. Talk about confusing the audience. Is Don't You Forget About Me even going to be on his album? This era is frustrating me endlessly.
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Post by out of reach on May 9, 2011 15:37:15 GMT -5
Cook will also be back on Idol to sing the boot song in a few weeks. Talk about confusing the audience. Is Don't You Forget About Me even going to be on his album? This era is frustrating me endlessly. yes it is. This was designed to be more exposure but after they misfired with the Idol performance, I doubt the boot song will do much. Only airplay will save this at this point. They should consider releasing a second single prior to the album drop.
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Post by Kurt on May 9, 2011 15:57:36 GMT -5
Talk about confusing the audience. Is Don't You Forget About Me even going to be on his album? This era is frustrating me endlessly. yes it is. This was designed to be more exposure but after they misfired with the Idol performance, I doubt the boot song will do much. Only airplay will save this at this point. They should consider releasing a second single prior to the album drop. No, it isn't--it's an instant download if you pre-order the album (on his site, at least), but it's included in neither the standard nor the deluxe editions.
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Post by secretchef on May 9, 2011 16:03:28 GMT -5
They always knew the boot song was going to be performed at Top 3 and you know Jimmy Iovine wouldn't want to let Cook have an original song play all season long every episode. Promote an RCA song?
I don't think it's a great song (just kinda bland), but with WPLJ's add, we'll see if it gets any attention. Still too soon to call it.
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Post by out of reach on May 9, 2011 16:08:05 GMT -5
yes it is. This was designed to be more exposure but after they misfired with the Idol performance, I doubt the boot song will do much. Only airplay will save this at this point. They should consider releasing a second single prior to the album drop. No, it isn't--it's an instant download if you pre-order the album (on his site, at least), but it's included in neither the standard nor the deluxe editions. your right sorry, not sure why I was convinced it was on there.
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Post by keepitreal on May 9, 2011 17:44:34 GMT -5
Isn't it unusual for AC to jump on board before HAC? Isn't that where songs go to die? With the addition of WPLJ let's hope RCA dished out enough payola for this song to sell.
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Post by keepitreal on May 10, 2011 12:15:26 GMT -5
5/9/2011
The Last Goodbye
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