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Post by tinawina on May 10, 2011 12:35:47 GMT -5
Isn't it unusual for AC to jump on board before HAC? Isn't that where songs go to die? Heh. I asked this same question yesterday. ;) The AC stations that added this early (New York & Chicago) were FreshFM stations, which apparently are closer to HAC in format and play current Adult Top 40 songs. One also added Arms yesterday as well. Apparently, they draw audiences closer demographically to what an HAC station would pull. There are a handful of these around the country so we should keep a lookout for any of the others following suit. I suspect the regular ACs will come on board six months from now as usual.
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Post by tvoss20 on May 13, 2011 10:29:46 GMT -5
Will the deluxe version of the cd be in stores? Don't want to drop extra money to buy it from his site if I can just drive to the store to get it.
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Post by Hook on May 13, 2011 16:53:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the deluxe version will be released everywhere. The thing exclusive to his store is the bonus acoustic EP.
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Post by central80 on May 13, 2011 18:13:00 GMT -5
Why is nobody anywhere talking about this song? How much longer before it is officially declared 'done'? It's been out of the Itunes radar nigh on 2 weeks, HAC stations that have added it are spinning it, but during non peak hours mainly, he'll be on Idol in a week or two for the finale, but he's probably singing the boot song (it isn't doing well at all either on itunes) so how does that help TLG? Radio DISNEY is giving it some spins but they don't impact the spincount for charting, sooo... what realistically are the chances of this song rebounding? Does anyone think a video, or other promo will help significantly? Will RCA ride this pony all the way, till they're forced to release something else? The silence in this and other threads related to this song speaks volumes - it's as if Cook fans don't think about or acknowledge it, they'll wake up and it'll be a #1 smash or something. Heh. (zzzzz)
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Post by greenlight on May 14, 2011 4:03:01 GMT -5
As of last week, the fact that it hadn’t reached top 50 on the HAC published chart was not a concern because the threshold is high at the moment and 170 weekly spins would have been on line with the spincount of successful HAC songs like September or For The First Time.
Now, it still hasn’t reached the threshold of 226 spins (yesterday top 50 on the published chart) so it is not shooting up the charts.
But it is still early days. A good video can change the fortune of a song. Cook will also perform the boot song on Idol, and there is always a possibility that he will click with the audience better than the first time round. After all, he was hugely popular during his season, and may be he can tap into his own memory of the old Cook to reignite the fire. Will he ditch the suit and become young and alive again?
And then there will be the album release and the promo associated with it.
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Post by greenlight on May 14, 2011 6:21:57 GMT -5
It finally made the top 50 on the HAC published chart
57 48 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 240 144 96 0.671
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Post by atlantaboy on May 14, 2011 11:19:12 GMT -5
Why is nobody anywhere talking about this song? How much longer before it is officially declared 'done'? It's been out of the Itunes radar nigh on 2 weeks, HAC stations that have added it are spinning it, but during non peak hours mainly, he'll be on Idol in a week or two for the finale, but he's probably singing the boot song (it isn't doing well at all either on itunes) so how does that help TLG? Radio DISNEY is giving it some spins but they don't impact the spincount for charting, sooo... what realistically are the chances of this song rebounding? Does anyone think a video, or other promo will help significantly? Will RCA ride this pony all the way, till they're forced to release something else? The silence in this and other threads related to this song speaks volumes - it's as if Cook fans don't think about or acknowledge it, they'll wake up and it'll be a #1 smash or something. Heh. (zzzzz) I feel like the number of true Cook fans is REALLY small - he's basically on the same level as your average adult-leaning artist trying to get a HAC hit - it would've been on thing if he'd put out a great song, but unfortunately that didn't happen This is a guy that never really got a "huge" hit the first time around, so I'm not sure the momentum is there for a big new hit single anyway
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Post by folkfan on May 15, 2011 20:11:04 GMT -5
Actually, most Cook fans don't post on Pulse, so....
56 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 254 152 102 0.688
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Post by Rumors on May 16, 2011 4:47:11 GMT -5
Has the video already been shot? If not, I would scrap this song and try something else. I just can't imagine that the reaction by radio is a good thing. If the label is simply telling radio not to play the song yet, I have to ask why and what kind of album release promo that is.
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Post by greenlight on May 16, 2011 5:21:55 GMT -5
Has the video already been shot? If not, I would scrap this song and try something else. I just can't imagine that the reaction by radio is a good thing. If the label is simply telling radio not to play the song yet, I have to ask why and what kind of album release promo that is. The video was shot last week. But what makes you think that the label is telling radio stations not to play the song?
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Post by keepitreal on May 16, 2011 6:02:49 GMT -5
Most fans of artists don't post on Pulse and that is a good thing. If they did then everyone would be drinking the Kool Aide and looking at things through rose colored glasses.
When the video is released and starts playing on VH1 Cook will start to see sales and how much depends on how good the video is. My gut tells me also that his label is telling radio not to play it or they just aren't going to push hard. He'll get the typical promo that most artists get but it won't be an A-list promo or even a B-list promo. Many little clues tells me they are still treating him like an Idol.
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Post by folkfan on May 16, 2011 7:33:07 GMT -5
He's already done several acoustic shows for radio stations, which is a pretty standard way of doing radio promo, so, no, I don't think RCA is signaling to radio stations not to play the song.
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tinawina
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Post by tinawina on May 16, 2011 8:53:06 GMT -5
Why is it always so dramatic around here? LOL Don't most songs start out on overnights and work their way off after a couple of weeks? We're only, what 3 weeks off the adds date as of today. And its starting to move off overnights now. He's been on a packed radio promo sched since the week of the Idol performance, doing interviews and acoustic concerts at HAC stations and there are even more scheduled. He's got several top 10 markets on board already. RCA is not giving him bare minimum "idol" promo, whatever that is. . Everybody should just take a deep breath and calm down. I mean it may flop or it may hit, but right now nothing out of the ordinary is even happening. There's nothing "rose colored glasses" about saying it's too soon to go nuts about an HAC song's chances. I'm about as pragmatic as it gets and there just isn't enough info to call it one way or another yet. Yikes.
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Post by keepitreal on May 16, 2011 9:25:31 GMT -5
The Last Goodbye
TLG has 3 adds so far:
WOMX-FM (Hot HAC) Orlando #35 KHMX-FM (Hot HAC) Houston #6 KSCF-FM (Hot HAC) San Diego #17
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Post by Rumors on May 16, 2011 18:07:20 GMT -5
Why is it always so dramatic around here? LOL Why not speculate? This is just a message board where we are all entitled to post our thoughts. Quite frankly this board has about dried up on talk about artists that I am even remotely interested in. I think we all realize that it is still early for this song but it certainly has not exploded. And yes, IMO, labels may tell radio to just play a song minimally until additional promo is set in place, etc. I don't know if that is the case here or not. That's why I was asking what others thought. I just watched the promo on his site for the new video. So that obviously answered one of my questions.
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Post by perfectsmile on May 16, 2011 21:54:00 GMT -5
Today's Adds
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tinawina
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Post by tinawina on May 17, 2011 7:53:39 GMT -5
Why not speculate? This is just a message board where we are all entitled to post our thoughts. Of course, and I actually didn't see anything wrong with what you asked anyway. The whole reason I like checking out Pulse in the first place is reading all kinds of opinions including negative ones. But, I did think there were some sweepingly negative conclusions being drawn based on... nothing really, and I said so. I do appreciate seeing the tea leaves read many ways, but parts of the last couple of pages seemed kinda OTT. Pulse is so full of drama. That's part of its charm.
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Post by keepitreal on May 17, 2011 9:52:04 GMT -5
HAC 55 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 268 177 91 0.748 AC 38 38 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 25 27 -2 2
iTunes:The Last Goodbye - David Cook (Pre-Order 5/17) #54 (overall) #22 (pop)
Amazon: The Loud Morning TLM (CD/DVD) - #993 in Music TLM (CD Only) - #1,075 in Music
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Post by greenlight on May 19, 2011 7:03:02 GMT -5
51 47 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 280 214 66 0.767 +1 Spins -0.007 AI
This song is showing signs of ill health at the moment.
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Post by HereIsGone on May 19, 2011 8:10:23 GMT -5
Yeah...if it's still stuck in the late forties at this point after so many weeks post-adds date, it's a pretty safe bet it's dead on arrival.
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Post by idolman88 on May 19, 2011 11:10:34 GMT -5
Yeah...if it's still stuck in the late forties at this point after so many weeks post-adds date, it's a pretty safe bet it's dead on arrival. Ugh the adds date was May 2, and today is May 19, so I'm not sure if I'd say "so many weeks post adds date". Songs go through up and down swings in the early stages, this song is not dead until it goes negative and stays negative.
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Post by HereIsGone on May 19, 2011 12:29:46 GMT -5
Yeah...if it's still stuck in the late forties at this point after so many weeks post-adds date, it's a pretty safe bet it's dead on arrival. Ugh the adds date was May 2, and today is May 19, so I'm not sure if I'd say "so many weeks post adds date". Songs go through up and down swings in the early stages, this song is not dead until it goes negative and stays negative. Normally songs that have any sort of traction are usually a lot higher than this two weeks post adds. This ain't gonna go high.
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Post by out of reach on May 19, 2011 12:59:01 GMT -5
While I agree that this song won't be a hit, it will probably gain some traction. It still got solid adds and some big markets.
However, his album is dropping June 28th, they should consider releasing a second single prior to the album. Time Marches on is pretty good.
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Post by HereIsGone on May 19, 2011 13:17:26 GMT -5
While I agree that this song won't be a hit, it will probably gains ome traction. It still got solid adds and some big markets. However, his album is dropping June 28th, they should consider releasing a second single prior to the album. Time Marches on is pretty good. Yeah, if I were him/his management, I'd ditch this and try for something else that could do some damage. This isn't cutting it.
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Post by tinawina on May 19, 2011 13:43:51 GMT -5
They just shot a video, so they won't ditch it anytime soon. It is supposed to come out next week.
But I do agree if its going to do anything, it needs to do it very soon. Getting only to, say, the 20s or 30s on HAC won't help anything.
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Post by HereIsGone on May 19, 2011 13:54:15 GMT -5
They just shot a video, so they won't ditch it anytime soon. It is supposed to come out next week. But I do agree if its going to do anything, it needs to do it very soon. Getting only to, say, the 20s or 30s on HAC won't help anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they let this run its course and push back the album so they can try again with another single.
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Post by idolman88 on May 19, 2011 14:53:16 GMT -5
They just shot a video, so they won't ditch it anytime soon. It is supposed to come out next week. But I do agree if its going to do anything, it needs to do it very soon. Getting only to, say, the 20s or 30s on HAC won't help anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they let this run its course and push back the album so they can try again with another single. If they push back the album there's going to be alot of frustrated Cook fans. And I disagree about Time Marches On, I think Paper Heart is the best choice for a single out of the songs that we've heard so far.
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Post by HereIsGone on May 19, 2011 15:01:26 GMT -5
If they push back the album there's going to be alot of frustrated Cook fans. And I disagree about Time Marches On, I think Paper Heart is the best choice for a single out of the songs that we've heard so far. Well, duh, an album getting pushed back never goes over well with the fans. But if a lead single is not connecting, it does not bode well for the album itself.
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Post by out of reach on May 19, 2011 16:01:51 GMT -5
Hard to push an album back when you're already collecting money from presales. I think they just have to bank on the hard-core fans buying now, and try to build gradually from the next single. This is a tough call. His hard core fans are not enough if we go by the sales of this single which is already out of iTunes top 1000. Pushing the album back would be terrible but would allow for a proper hit. If they release the album on schedule and he sells poorly, it won't look good and he would be labeled a flop but it could pick up if he gets that hit.
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Post by central80 on May 19, 2011 17:41:36 GMT -5
Hard to push an album back when you're already collecting money from presales. I think they just have to bank on the hard-core fans buying now, and try to build gradually from the next single. This is a tough call. His hard core fans are not enough if we go by the sales of this single which is already out of iTunes top 1000. Pushing the album back would be terrible but would allow for a proper hit. If they release the album on schedule and he sells poorly, it won't look good and he would be labeled a flop but it could pick up if he gets that hit. If it's been the hardcore buying both the single and preordering the cd on Itunes, there is an understandable cause for concern. The preorder peaked on Itunes at # 38 or 39 on its 1st day of sales this Tuesday (5/17), and begin falling quickly, down to #152 overall now. TLG has been MIA on Itunes for going on what 2-3 weeks... radio play is going much slower than expected, hopes are pinned on the video now to jumpstart the song. If this singles flops, he won't be the 1st or last to be tarred with the flop brush. He'd be in good company. It may even bring some of his 'overly optimistic' (nee delusional) fans back down to reality, and make them more empathetic and less condescending of other artists who have experienced similar circumstances.
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