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Post by folkfan on May 20, 2011 7:49:58 GMT -5
You know, this is something like the third time I've seen you posting about hoping that David Cook's fans suffer a letdown, central80. I'll admit that I don't really get wandering onto a thread of an artist you don't like to wish flophood on the artist and disappointment for the artist's fans.
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Post by idolman88 on May 20, 2011 12:25:18 GMT -5
I'm not really sure this thread is the place to work through grievances over Archie-Cook fanwars. What Cook really needs to make his career is that one big Bon Jovi-ish arena rock anthem. This song is that style of song, and IMHO it's a catchy song, so I can't blame RCA for choosing it as the lead. But it does look like it's not going to go very far - it's gained a grand total of 7 spins in the past two days. Probably time to roll something else out there. I think Cook has that arena rock anthem on This Loud Morning in the form of "Right Here, With You". I haven't heard the full song yet, but the snippets I have heard are very promising. The song is co-written by the lead singer of the goo-goo dolls. Here's a snippet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJPB8WX9IFI
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Post by HereIsGone on May 20, 2011 12:28:26 GMT -5
I think Cook has that arena rock anthem on This Loud Morning in the form of "Right Here, With You". I haven't heard the full song yet, but the snippets I have heard are very promising. The song is co-written by the lead singer of the goo-goo dolls. Here's a snippet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJPB8WX9IFIOooh. It's kinda hard to discern since he's mucking around with the camera a lot, but I liked the drum bits on that. Plus a Rzeznik co-write ain't a bad thing either. :)
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Post by Kurt on May 20, 2011 14:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by folkfan on May 20, 2011 19:34:34 GMT -5
I think we'll know a lot more about how the song will do in the long run after next week. In conjunction with the Idol finale, he'll be doing a good amount of radio interviews, plus the video is apparently getting a big iTunes push next week, according to RCA Ed at DCO.
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Post by greenlight on May 21, 2011 2:02:33 GMT -5
Things don't look good for this song now, but I'll reassess next week, after the video release on ITunes and the Idol performance of the boot song.
The ITunes buzz from the release of Idol songs after the finale, combined with his performance and a banner for the video should give a boost to TLG sales wise at least, and hopefully radio wise. The video itself will also most certainly bring the song back into the ITunes top 1000 and will increase the general awareness much needed prior to the album release.
Decent initial sales >>> buzz + incentive for the label to give a radio push >>> chance of a decent radio run >>>chance of medium term decent sales. We'll see...
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Post by keepitreal on May 22, 2011 11:53:35 GMT -5
HAC: 46 47 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 287 254 33 0.768 +4 Spins -10 Bullet -0.012 AI
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Post by overboard on May 23, 2011 0:16:24 GMT -5
Video is available for free on iTunes.
Starts off boring, but then becomes kinda funny.
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Post by slamina on May 23, 2011 4:57:30 GMT -5
I liked the video. Don't think it will do much for the song though. Hopefully, it will keep rising on HAC. How many adds does it have thus far? Anyone know?
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Post by trei1658 on May 23, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
I liked the video. Don't think it will do much for the song though. Hopefully, it will keep rising on HAC. How many adds does it have thus far? Anyone know? As of 5/22/11 24 Hot AC 2 AC 1 Top 40 1 Canada Hot AC
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Post by keepitreal on May 23, 2011 14:05:25 GMT -5
HAC: 46 45 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 287 254 33 0.768 +10 Spins +4 Bullet +0.032 AI
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Post by slamina on May 24, 2011 1:49:48 GMT -5
I liked the video. Don't think it will do much for the song though. Hopefully, it will keep rising on HAC. How many adds does it have thus far? Anyone know? As of 5/22/11 24 Hot AC 2 AC 1 Top 40 1 Canada Hot AC Thanks. Any top 10 markets? :)
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Post by keepitreal on May 24, 2011 8:59:04 GMT -5
5/23/2011
The Last Goodbye
3 Adds * KMYI-FM (Hot AC) San Diego 19 Ent./RCA/RCAMG Clear Channel Communications 17 WCDA-FM (Hot AC) Lexington, KY 19 Ent./RCA/RCAMG L. M. Communications 100 WJLK-FM (Hot AC) Monmouth-Ocean 19 Ent./RCA/RCAMG Millennium Radio Group 51
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5/24/2011
HAC: 46 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 297 268 29 0.784 +0 Spins -8 Bullet -0.016 AI
iTunes:The Loud Morning - David Cook (Pre-Order 5/17) #123 (overall) # 41 (pop)
Amazon: The Loud Morning TLM (CD/DVD) - #942 in Music TLM (CD Only) -#574 in Music
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Post by central80 on May 25, 2011 17:57:11 GMT -5
Looks like his cover of 'Don't You Forget About Me', his coronation song 'Time of My Life' and the 1st single from the debut cd 'Light On' all got bigger bumps from his flat and uninspired performance of DYFAM last night on Idol performance night than this song. Cook looked bored and sounded like it. The Last Goodbye sits currently at #465 in POP, up a bit from the start of the week, but it still hasn't re-entered the Itunes Top 1000 songs. The song is losing momentum on HAC. How much longer before this song is declared DOA? The longer RCA allows this slow torture to play out, the worse it will be for him to maybe get another, better song out that is received better on radio and Itunes. Hopes now are penned on VH1 saving this single. What can VH1 do that 2 major performance slots on Idol and plenty of promo/push to radio by RCA Hasn't been able to do? I'm calling it done, and moving on. Will be interested to see what RCA throws out next, if they can get their thumb out of their butts in time.
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Post by out of reach on May 25, 2011 18:16:56 GMT -5
The video premiered a few days and I just saw a VEVO banner so it looks like they are going to push for a while longer but they better make a decison quick because any single he releases won't fly up the charts. VH1 may help a little but it won't save the song.
Idk what it is but he feels kinda irrelevant to me right now, his performances are doing practically nothing.
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Post by overboard on May 25, 2011 19:11:13 GMT -5
Its pretty much too late at this point to release anything else and expect it to have any kind of impact before the album is released. Their best bet is to keep riding this and hope something happens.
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Post by greenlight on May 26, 2011 3:49:41 GMT -5
It's disappointing, I don't understand what happened to him. It's like he's lost his spark and his material is so dull...sigh...
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Post by esoteric76 on May 26, 2011 12:04:13 GMT -5
Now that they've saddled themselves with the costs of a video shoot, they probably feel obligated to sit on this single a little longer. Moving on to another single at this point is the best idea, but they're just sinking more money into this project. The sad thing is that Cook is the real thing, but the material is pulling him down. Where is that one killer song for him, I just don't get it?!
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Post by out of reach on May 26, 2011 12:09:27 GMT -5
Now that they've saddled themselves with the costs of a video shoot, they probably feel obligated to sit on this single a little longer. Moving on to another single at this point is the best idea, but they're just sinking more money into this project. The sad thing is that Cook is the real thing, but the material is pulling him down. Where is that one killer song for him, I just don't get it?! Idk, for artists that are more rock oriented it's tough. I think the HAC approach with CHR crossover is probably the way to go in order to sell the album but obviously this song is not strong enough. Even HAC these days are infiltrated by overtly pop artists. 3 Doors Down didn't have much success with their debut on HAC either, at least they have the rock stations to play their material. I agree that he has lost some spark, his next single better be kick ass or he will flop hard, it may be too late. Addition: His video on youtube only has 35K views after a week. The Vevo banner has only been up for 1-2 days but still that's pretty disappointing.
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Post by Hook on May 26, 2011 12:31:01 GMT -5
His label always seems to choose the worst songs for singles. With the debut album, there were so many better songs IMO than Light On and Come Back to Me. I'm hoping the same thing happens with this album or I'm going to be pretty disappointed (meaning, I want there to be songs better than TLG)
Let's just hope his 2nd single from this album is one of the strongest songs on the album, or else he won't be getting any other support this era, I wouldn't think.
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Post by out of reach on May 26, 2011 12:34:53 GMT -5
I felt like Light On was a strong single. Come back to me I agree was not good.
They better bring it with his second single but i'm still not sure where he fits on radio.
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Post by perfectsmile on May 26, 2011 13:10:39 GMT -5
47 46 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 297 280 17 0.856
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Post by esoteric76 on May 26, 2011 16:24:08 GMT -5
I felt like Light On was a strong single. Come back to me I agree was not good. They better bring it with his second single but i'm still not sure where he fits on radio. I remember radio playing "Permanent" after David sung it in tribute to his brother. And, if memory serves me, it charted somewhere. For me, it was the best song on the album. I always felt that David could have gone a harder/rock root, but they had so much success with Daughtry on Hot AC/CHR/AC that they would try to see if lightning would strike twice.
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Post by Vic on May 27, 2011 8:00:03 GMT -5
I liked "Come Back To Me" Really good song.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on May 27, 2011 11:50:14 GMT -5
This really IS his last goodbye....
He waited too long, he has bad song, he is bad live, he has zero buzz, no pop culture presence and no fans left. There's really not much to work with here.
Cook never really made it outside the idol bubble. His most successful single to date (in downloads AND airplay) is still his coronation song.
I think at the end of 2011 RCA will be Cook(and Dewyze)-free.
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Post by perfectsmile on May 27, 2011 16:35:27 GMT -5
I looked on VH1 and I can't find TLG video. I expected to find it there.
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Post by Kurt on May 27, 2011 19:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by Hook on May 27, 2011 20:00:42 GMT -5
This really IS his last goodbye.... He waited too long, he has bad song, he is bad live, he has zero buzz, no pop culture presence and no fans left. There's really not much to work with here. Cook never really made it outside the idol bubble. His most successful single to date (in downloads AND airplay) is still his coronation song. I think at the end of 2011 RCA will be Cook(and Dewyze)-free. I think you're being a bit harsh. For one thing, I doubt the "idol bubble" sold 1.3 million copies of his debut album. He's not bad live at all. His performance of TLG on Idol wasn't that great, but he's a very talented performer. Just needs better material.
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Post by idolman88 on May 27, 2011 20:45:45 GMT -5
This really IS his last goodbye.... He waited too long, he has bad song, he is bad live, he has zero buzz, no pop culture presence and no fans left. There's really not much to work with here. Cook never really made it outside the idol bubble. His most successful single to date (in downloads AND airplay) is still his coronation song. I think at the end of 2011 RCA will be Cook(and Dewyze)-free. I think you're being a bit harsh. For one thing, I doubt the "idol bubble" sold 1.3 million copies of his debut album. He's not bad live at all. His performance of TLG on Idol wasn't that great, but he's a very talented performer. Just needs better material. And I'm very confident there will be better material on This Loud Morning, I just think his label went with the generic, safe choice for radio. With that said, I think The Last Goodbye will die after memorial day weekend is over. Time for a second single.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on May 27, 2011 21:01:43 GMT -5
Maybe. He DID sell a lot of albums the first era. There's no denying that. Actually he's the last contestant that sold very very well. But the fanbase just seems to have disappeared....almost completely. Not being able to stay in top 1000 on i-tunes? Not good. Even without airplay.
I agree that the song is the biggest problem. It does not allow him to give a great live performance, because it's not a very good song. He surely needs a huge smash that would not only shoot up the HAC chart but also give him some buzz in the industry.
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