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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 17:31:10 GMT -5
I would love to see "Starlight" as a single at some point. Eh. It's a fun song, but I think that there are much better opportunities for hits from the album that are better representations of Red.
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Post by jughead on Feb 28, 2013 17:34:55 GMT -5
Like I said in a previous post, part of her reputation as a superstar is because of her sales, not because of airplay. She has reached a point where she'll sell regardless of whether radios play her or not. At this point, she sells because she's country or pop. She sells because, well, she's Taylor Swift. She has built what could be one of the most loyal fanbase. Proof of this is that Half of my Heart, Highway Don't Care, Two Is Better Than One became the highest charting track on iTunes during their respective album's release. She might have been viewed in a bad light as of late, but the loyalty of her fans is a big factor in her success. Plus, I view her as "Taylor the sales monster" rather than "Taylor the Airplay queen." Just look at Shania, she's had singles not reaching the top 30, but because of her huge sales, people still consider her a superstar. Even Shania Twain's breakthrough CD, The Woman In Me produced four #1s and two more inside the top 20. Come On Over holds the record for the most top tens for a studio CD, eight. Look at Carrie Underwood (I am not turning this into a Swift vs. Underwood battle here). Underwood and her label, Arista do not have to resort to playing the 'keep playing our song even if it kills you game'. I would rather see an honest peak of #10 versus a dishonest #1. Regardless of where her songs peak, even if they fail to reach the top 40, as long as she keeps outselling most of her contemporaries, she'll be considered a superstar. Like I said, "Taylor the sales monster" not "Taylor the airplay queen."
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Post by fridayteenage on Feb 28, 2013 18:20:49 GMT -5
I was just wondering, can I have a list of artists who single-handedly wrote a number 1 hit on the country charts? I think it's such a big artistic statement to actually write a song solely by yourself. As for Taylor's radio performance, I stopped caring since her Fearless era. I'm ignoring Mediabase #1s because they're...a bit dodgy. Since 2007, about two solo songs a year go to #1. Sparks Fly, Ours, Love Story, Should've Said No, Our Song - Taylor Good Time, Country Boy, Small Town Southern Man - Alan If I Die Young - Band Perry Beer in Mexico - Kenny Chesney Letter to Me - Brad Paisley Free - Zac Brown Band I got bored after going back through 07, but it seems in recent years it's mostly just Taylor and Alan.
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Post by jughead on Feb 28, 2013 21:50:09 GMT -5
I was just wondering, can I have a list of artists who single-handedly wrote a number 1 hit on the country charts? I think it's such a big artistic statement to actually write a song solely by yourself. As for Taylor's radio performance, I stopped caring since her Fearless era. I'm ignoring Mediabase #1s because they're...a bit dodgy. Since 2007, about two solo songs a year go to #1. Sparks Fly, Ours, Love Story, Should've Said No, Our Song - Taylor Good Time, Country Boy, Small Town Southern Man - Alan If I Die Young - Band Perry Beer in Mexico - Kenny Chesney Letter to Me - Brad Paisley Free - Zac Brown Band I got bored after going back through 07, but it seems in recent years it's mostly just Taylor and Alan. So in recent years, only 2 females have done that? Much respect for those who actually write their own songs.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Mar 4, 2013 0:43:13 GMT -5
-2250 spins one week after being #1 ... more confirmation of how bad this song got Borchetta'd into #1 last week. If this hadn't been Taylor Swift, it would've never seen the top 10 after losing its bullet in the teens at least once (maybe twice, but I'm not sure about that). It's also still the worst on the downloads per spin chart this week - the week it was #1, which is traditionally a big download bump week. 12,465 downloads the week of being #1 is the worst sales I think I've ever seen a #1 song have. Dustin Lynch, Toby Keith, and Chris Young are the only songs in the top 20 with a worse sales week.
But hey ... she wrote it by herself ... woo hoo
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Post by Marv on Mar 4, 2013 0:58:40 GMT -5
It and 'Southern Comfort Zone' both lost their bullets @ Mediabase during Thanksgiving week.
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Post by jughead on Mar 4, 2013 8:17:23 GMT -5
-2250 spins one week after being #1 ... more confirmation of how bad this song got Borchetta'd into #1 last week. If this hadn't been Taylor Swift, it would've never seen the top 10 after losing its bullet in the teens at least once (maybe twice, but I'm not sure about that). It's also still the worst on the downloads per spin chart this week - the week it was #1, which is traditionally a big download bump week. 12,465 downloads the week of being #1 is the worst sales I think I've ever seen a #1 song have. Dustin Lynch, Toby Keith, and Chris Young are the only songs in the top 20 with a worse sales week. But hey ... she wrote it by herself ... woo hoo Thanks for giving credit to her writing this song alone, something that only a chosen few can do these days. And oh yeah, she co-produced it too. Has any of her contemporaries actually written and produced a song?
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 4, 2013 15:09:32 GMT -5
Nice drop by Taylor Swift (#1 to #9 in Mediabase). Brad Paisley fell to #10 after being #1. Maybe Big Machine and Arista should merge their operations!
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Post by peterca on Mar 4, 2013 16:25:40 GMT -5
-2250 spins one week after being #1 ... more confirmation of how bad this song got Borchetta'd into #1 last week. If this hadn't been Taylor Swift, it would've never seen the top 10 after losing its bullet in the teens at least once (maybe twice, but I'm not sure about that). It's also still the worst on the downloads per spin chart this week - the week it was #1, which is traditionally a big download bump week. 12,465 downloads the week of being #1 is the worst sales I think I've ever seen a #1 song have. Dustin Lynch, Toby Keith, and Chris Young are the only songs in the top 20 with a worse sales week. But hey ... she wrote it by herself ... woo hoo Windmills posted this detailed comment in the comment section of this article: www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-feb-25-mar-3.htmAnatomy of a Big Machine Taylor Swift Chartjack:After moving pretty slowly up the charts for months for somebody of her stature, Taylor's Begin Again looked like it was peaking at the end of January. Here are some sample Mediabase updates from that time: 1/25 -32 spins, -167k AIs 1/26 +1 spin, -154k AIs 1/27+61 spins, +438k AIs (partially a rolling chart effect: 1/20 was a negative spins/AI update) 1/28 +4 spins, +13k AIs 1/29 -31 spins, -243k AIs 1/30 +16 spins, -194k AIs At the time, Begin Again was #7 Mediabase/Aircheck and #8 Billboard. On the charts that came out 2/4, Begin Again lost its bullet on both the Aircheck Activator and Billboard Indicator small market charts, which is usually a precursor to a song peaking on the main charts. The same week, Begin Again was stuck at #7 MB/Aircheck and #8 Billboard because Little Big Town's Tornado (which had been looking stronger for weeks and was selling more) passed. But despite continuing to lose spins on the small market charts, Begin Again began to gain again on the main charts! Gee, I wonder how that happened? It's not like it suddenly became more popular: Begin Again was #31 on the Billboard country downloads chart for the week ending 2/9, down from #25. In the 2/11 Billboard Country Update and Country Aircheck there were full page ads begging country radio to "power up" Begin Again into the t5. Sure enough, it kept on gaining and actually repassed Little Big Town on Mediabase/Aircheck (not Billboard). The LOLziness kicked into high gear on 2/18. At the time, The Band Perry was finishing its 2nd week at Billboard #1 and a week at Mediabase #1, Tim McGraw was at #2 and poised to take over #1 on both charts, and Taylor was at #3 Mediabase and #4 Billboard. All 3 acts are part of Big Machine Label Group (The Band Perry through Republic Nashville and Tim and Taylor are both part of Big Machine). This is important because of who had control at the top of the charts. Let's look at the daily updates starting 2/18: 2/18 Tim (#2, 6654 spins, 52.740 million AIs): +47 spins, +666k Taylor (#3, 5741 spins, 46.688 million AIs): +150 spins, +1.191 million Note the big gap in spins and AIs between Tim & Taylor. Also note: 100+ spin updates are common in pop but highly unusual in country) 2/19 Tim (#1, 6698 spins, 53.066 million AIs): +44 spins, 316k Taylor (#3, 5853 spins, 47.436 million AIs): +112 spins, +748k 2/20 Tim (#1, 6751 spins, 53.495 million AIs): +53 spins, +429k Taylor (#3, 5953 spins, 47.740 million AIs): +100 spins, +304k 2/21 Tim (#1, 6763 spins, 53.621 million AIs): +12 spins, +126k Taylor (#3, 6084 spins, 48.371 million AIs): +131 spins, +631k 2/22 Tim (#1, 6756 spins, 53.493 million AIs): -7 spins, -128k Taylor (#3, 6190 spins, 49.049 million AIs): +109 spins, +678k 2/23 Tim (#1, 6736 spins, 53.256 million AIs): -20 spins, -237k Taylor (#2, 6274 spins, 49.382 million AIs): +84 spins, +333k 2/24 (look carefully at this one!) Taylor (#1 (?!), 6441 spins, 50.347 million AIs): +167 spins, +965k Tim (#2, 6665 spins, 52.684 million AIs): -71 spins, -572k AIs 2/24 was the official last day for the Aircheck chart. Ain't it convenient how Tim started losing spins just in time for Taylor to grab that #1 even though Tim was still way ahead in spins and AIs? By the way, Begin Again peaked at #3 Billboard that same week and Tim was #1 Billboard anyway. Now maybe you're thinking, maybe Tim McGraw's song was peaking and that opened up a window for Taylor. But no! Look at what happened to Tim's song the last few days of this past week as the last few days of the Taylor push week fell off! Tim's updates 2/28 +35 spins, +609k 3/1 +23 spins, +307k 3/2 +88 spins, +719k 3/3 +97 spins, +889k Meanwhile Begin Again is down by 2204 spins and 14.106 million AIs in a week and will go recurrent on Billboard because it will fall out of the t10 just a week after it peaked. Yeah, Big Machine took spins from Tim and gave them to Taylor last week to engineer a #1 for her for a song that was peaking at #7/#8. Super.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Mar 4, 2013 16:35:42 GMT -5
-2250 spins one week after being #1 ... more confirmation of how bad this song got Borchetta'd into #1 last week. If this hadn't been Taylor Swift, it would've never seen the top 10 after losing its bullet in the teens at least once (maybe twice, but I'm not sure about that). It's also still the worst on the downloads per spin chart this week - the week it was #1, which is traditionally a big download bump week. 12,465 downloads the week of being #1 is the worst sales I think I've ever seen a #1 song have. Dustin Lynch, Toby Keith, and Chris Young are the only songs in the top 20 with a worse sales week. But hey ... she wrote it by herself ... woo hoo Thanks for giving credit to her writing this song alone, something that only a chosen few can do these days. And oh yeah, she co-produced it too. Has any of her contemporaries actually written and produced a song? Many top artists get co-production on records these days even though their level of participation in making the record stays the same. It just speaks to the amount of power the artist has.
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 4, 2013 17:18:00 GMT -5
Thanks for giving credit to her writing this song alone, something that only a chosen few can do these days. And oh yeah, she co-produced it too. Has any of her contemporaries actually written and produced a song? Many top artists get co-production on records these days even though their level of participation in making the record stays the same. It just speaks to the amount of power the artist has. Honestly, 'producing' means different things to different artists and producers and labels. Many artists 'produce'. And quite honestly, many songwriters 'produce' the songs you hear, they're just 'proudced' exactly the same with studio musicians for a whole album.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 17:52:37 GMT -5
Has there been any hint at all about the next single?
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Post by joey2002 on Mar 6, 2013 1:46:56 GMT -5
Has there been any hint at all about the next single? Well, The Weather Channel is playing "Starlight" during it's local forecasts. Oh wait...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 1:51:32 GMT -5
Has there been any hint at all about the next single? Well, The Weather Channel is playing "Starlight" during it's local forecasts. Oh wait... I noticed that! And I actually geeked out when I heard it. I LOVE "Starlight". Although, I don't really see it as a likely single...great song though!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 6, 2013 4:14:25 GMT -5
Starlight is one of my faves on the album, but I see it more as a pop single if they release it at all (I wouldn't oppose personally). I really do love it though, and it's cool to hear that they're playing it on TWC. I'm personally pulling for I Almost Do next, though Stay Stay Stay may be the best as a change of pace following a ballad and because it recalls Ours, which was a really big hit (especially as a fifth single, no less) last year for Taylor.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Mar 6, 2013 8:41:53 GMT -5
I really hope they release RED to country radio.
It still at least sounds a lil country and it has a very big potential to be a huge hit.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 6, 2013 10:17:08 GMT -5
Taylor Swift must have lost out in the spins department because looking at the recurrents chart, she had 22.1 million audience impressions. That would have been good enough for a #10 placing, but it went to Kacey Musgraves instead.
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Post by irice22 on Mar 6, 2013 19:14:46 GMT -5
I think "Stay Stay Stay" should go to country. Talk about a wedding staple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 1:24:14 GMT -5
Nothing on a next single yet, and obviously "I Knew You Were Trouble" won't get released to country radio, but I just noticed that KFRG in Riverside, CA, added IKYWT to their playlist. They played it 10 times last week.
...that's, uh, really stretching the definition of country.
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Post by tn05 on Mar 7, 2013 9:33:30 GMT -5
Nothing on a next single yet, and obviously "I Knew You Were Trouble" won't get released to country radio, but I just noticed that KFRG in Riverside, CA, added IKYWT to their playlist. They played it 10 times last week. ...that's, uh, really stretching the definition of country. Dear God that had better not appear on the Airplay chart. >_<
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Post by Marv on Mar 7, 2013 11:31:35 GMT -5
KFRG is a terrific station that i listen to a lot, but 'IKYWT' has zero business being on any country station.
Are there really no other tunes on 'Red' compatible with country radio?
I'd expect an annoucement next week at the latest.
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Post by Taylor. on Mar 7, 2013 11:43:34 GMT -5
KFRG is a terrific station that i listen to a lot, but 'IKYWT' has zero business being on any country station. Are there really no other tunes on 'Red' compatible with country radio? I'd expect an annoucement next week at the latest. No, there are more than a few songs left on the album that would fit on country. 98% of the album is more country than IKYWT, so playing that makes no sense.
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Post by Spacey_Kacey on Mar 7, 2013 12:05:37 GMT -5
Wait, I havent been on the BA thread in awhile. Are they really releasing a third single that will have a run coinciding with HDC? I thought they were holding off until the fall.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 7, 2013 16:41:33 GMT -5
Wait, I havent been on the BA thread in awhile. Are they really releasing a third single that will have a run coinciding with HDC? I thought they were holding off until the fall. Why can't a solo Taylor Swift single compete with her duet with Tim McGraw? After all, Highway Don't Care is a McGraw single. Same thing happened in early 2009 with Keith Urban. His duet with Brad Paisley, Start A Band was #1 (a Paisley single because it came from the CD, Play). Seven weeks later, Urban was sitting by himself at the top with Sweet Thing. After all, Swift is the biggest artist out there, so let country radio play two songs of hers.
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Post by Spacey_Kacey on Mar 7, 2013 18:48:51 GMT -5
I remember seeing speculation that that was the plan so that the label could send out "Red" to both formats once "22" peaks on pop. There's plenty of material from this album that could be sent to radio, so I have no problem if they choose to send something out that works with both style and timeframe. They better hurry up though and send it though.
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Post by Lozzy on Mar 7, 2013 19:00:06 GMT -5
I remember seeing speculation that that was the plan so that the label could send out "Red" to both formats once "22" peaks on pop. "22" won't be peaking on pop until June or July. That's a long wait.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 19:49:07 GMT -5
Many top artists get co-production on records these days even though their level of participation in making the record stays the same. It just speaks to the amount of power the artist has. Honestly, 'producing' means different things to different artists and producers and labels. Many artists 'produce'. And quite honestly, many songwriters 'produce' the songs you hear, they're just 'proudced' exactly the same with studio musicians for a whole album. Taylor Swift has been producing since she started. She sings and plays on her own records, says what she wants, sings parts of instruments she can't play. I would say that's producing. A lot of artists say what they want, Taylor actually takes charge. The reason she works with Chapman so much is because when she was younger she would have her tracks produced by a few people and they would never listen to her input.
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Post by Marv on Mar 13, 2013 2:05:26 GMT -5
11 years ago this week, 'The Cowboy In Me' was wrapping up a three-week stay at #1 @ R&R/Mediabase before 'Blessed' took over for two weeks, while 'Bring On The Rain' was sitting in the top five @ R&R & spent two weeks at #1 @ BB before Tim snagged a single week in the penthouse.
Like every other format out there, country radio is driven by superstars, and collaborations aren't a problem if either of the participants has another tune on the charts.
In June of 2007, Tracy Lawrence, Tim & Kenny's collaboration 'Find Out Who Your Friends Are' spent two weeks at # @ CA/MB while 'Never Wanted Nothing More', 'I Need You' and 'If You're Reading This' were all scooting up the charts, so I seriously doubt if any country PD out there had a problem inundating their listeners with so much Tim & Kenny simultaneously.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 13, 2013 9:21:02 GMT -5
Looking at the recurrents chart, Begin Again is at #7 for the week. Had Billboard allowed it to chart on its Airplay chart, it would have ranked at #20 with its 11.8 million impressions.
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Post by Spacey_Kacey on Mar 14, 2013 16:54:30 GMT -5
So choices for the next single according to RTM (Survey): "Holy Ground", "Come Back...Be Here", "The Moment I Knew", "Red", "Girl At Home", and "All Too Well". I am shocked that they are looking at the bonus tracks already. Maybe that is just for future research, but what does that leave for next single? "All Too Well" seems like the only real option to follow this up.
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