Billboard Hot 100: 12/15/12

[Pink Pvssy]

Dec 5, 2012 19:50:57 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Recent airplay #1s reached over 150 million listeners in one week. More impact culturally than a couple hundred grand, no?

But isn't this controlled by radio executives and DJs?

[Deleted]

Dec 5, 2012 17:59:31 GMT -5 felipe said:

Dec 4, 2012 22:08:10 GMT -5 @cynthiarose said:

The reactions/feedback that radio stations get from listeners. Positive feedback results in a high score, while poor feedback gives a song a low score.

But if the song got a negative feedback from listeners, why would people still be buying it so much?

What HolidayGuy said. I apologize, I should have further clarified that not all listeners participate in the research/surveys/whatever methods they use to measure.

Also, it's worth noting that the radio audience doesn't necessarily equal the downloading audience. There have been a few songs before that performed really well on radio even though their sales lagged somewhat in iTunes; the radio audience may be content to hear a song on radio, but not actually buy it. "Girl On Fire," for one, is probably getting most of its sales from people who heard the song in the commercial. These people may not be the same ones who are listening to the radio.

[jebsib]

Radio execs may control what they play on their stations, but record label execs decide who gets signed, what is released, when its released, what is promoted, how its promoted, etc. Everything on the charts is controlled by a very few number of suits.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Dec 5, 2012 19:55:32 GMT -5 @cynthiarose said:

Dec 5, 2012 17:59:31 GMT -5 felipe said:

But if the song got a negative feedback from listeners, why would people still be buying it so much?

What HolidayGuy said. I apologize, I should have further clarified that not all listeners participate in the research/surveys/whatever methods they use to measure.

Also, it's worth noting that the radio audience doesn't necessarily equal the downloading audience. There have been a few songs before that performed really well on radio even though their sales lagged somewhat in iTunes; the radio audience may be content to hear a song on radio, but not actually buy it. "Girl On Fire," for one, is probably getting most of its sales from people who heard the song in the commercial. These people may not be the same ones who are listening to the radio.

That is absolutely true. I've NEVER heard GOF on radio, BUT I've seen the commercial dozens of times. It was a brilliant marketing move for the single.

[leoapp]

I miss a few years ago when we had many #1 Hot 100 in 1 year. Now, it's just about airplay. It's like 2003-2006 all over again

[badrobot]

Dec 5, 2012 12:40:39 GMT -5 toxvanz said:

Prediction Billboard Hot 100 This Week
TOP10
1. Rihanna - Diamonds
2. Bruno Mars - Locked Out Of Heaven
3. Ke$ha - Die Young
4. Maroon 5 - One More Night
5. The Lumineers - Ho Hey
6. Fun. - Some Nights
7. Phillip Phillips - Home
8. Flo Rida - I Cry
9. Ne-Yo - Let Me Love You
10. PSY - Gangnam Style

Wow - you got it 100% correct!

[Deleted]

The Billboard Hot 100
Issue Date: 2012-12-15

This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks Title, Artist Peak
on Producer(Songwriter) Position
Chart Imprint | Catalog No. | Distributing Label
1 1 1 10 Diamonds, Rihanna 1
2 4 4 9 Locked Out Of Heaven, Bruno Mars 2
3 2 3 10 Die Young, Ke$ha 2
4 3 2 24 One More Night, Maroon 5 1
5 7 8 26 Ho Hey, The Lumineers 5
6 6 5 41 Some Nights, fun. 3
7 8 12 23 Home, Phillip Phillips 7
8 9 10 10 I Cry, Flo Rida 8
9 10 6 18 Let Me Love You (Until You Learn To Love Yourself), Ne-Yo 6
10 5 7 13 Gangnam Style, PSY 2
11 21 29 13 Girl On Fire, Alicia Keys Featuring Nicki Minaj 11
12 NEW 1 Scream & Shout, will.i.am Featuring Britney Spears 12
13 12 11 36 Too Close, Alex Clare 7
14 13 20 8 Beauty And A Beat, Justin Bieber Featuring Nicki Minaj 13
15 11 9 17 We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together, Taylor Swift 1
16 17 16 16 Cruise, Florida Georgia Line 16
17 20 19 16 Swimming Pools (Drank), Kendrick Lamar 17
18 16 15 13 Clique, Kanye West, Jay-Z, Big Sean 12
19 19 17 18 Adorn, Miguel 17
20 18 50 6 Try, P!nk 18
21 28 33 11 Don't You Worry Child, Swedish House Mafia Featuring John Martin 21
22 14 13 23 Don't Wake Me Up, Chris Brown 10
23 23 25 21 The A Team, Ed Sheeran 23
24 22 26 7 Va Va Voom, Nicki Minaj 22
25 24 22 26 It's Time, Imagine Dragons 22
26 15 14 24 As Long As You Love Me, Justin Bieber Featuring Big Sean 6
27 NEW 1 My Life, 50 Cent Featuring Eminem & Adam Levine 27
28 35 42 9 Thrift Shop, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Wanz 28
29 31 32 12 Bandz A Make Her Dance, Juicy J Featuring Lil Wayne & 2 Chainz 29
30 27 18 22 Blow Me (One Last Kiss), P!nk 5
31 30 61 7 Don't Stop The Party, Pitbull Featuring TJR 30
32 47 77 7 I Knew You Were Trouble., Taylor Swift 3
33 26 24 38 Everybody Talks, Neon Trees 6
34 36 30 17 I Will Wait, Mumford & Sons 23
35 37 35 21 Thinkin Bout You, Frank Ocean 35
36 38 40 14 Feel Again, OneRepublic 36
37 40 37 32 Wanted, Hunter Hayes 16
38 33 27 50 Lights, Ellie Goulding 2
39 29 23 23 Good Time, Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen 8
40 46 49 10 Hall Of Fame, The Script Featuring will.i.am 40
41 34 31 41 Call Me Maybe, Carly Rae Jepsen 1
42 50 52 13 No Worries, Lil Wayne Featuring Detail 42
43 32 21 9 Skyfall, Adele 8
44 60 60 5 Better Dig Two, The Band Perry 44
45 49 - 28 Little Talks, Of Monsters And Men 45
46 45 44 21 Pop That, French Montana Featuring Rick Ross, Drake, Lil Wayne 36
47 43 36 48 Somebody That I Used To Know, Gotye Featuring Kimbra 1
48 41 38 29 Whistle, Flo Rida 1
49 42 39 22 Blown Away, Carrie Underwood 20
50 39 34 15 Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye, Luke Bryan 29
51 59 63 8 Goodbye In Her Eyes, Zac Brown Band 51
52 56 56 12 Til My Last Day, Justin Moore 52
53 57 74 6 Catch My Breath, Kelly Clarkson 53
54 51 51 17 The One That Got Away, Jake Owen 51
55 63 59 9 Every Storm (Runs Out Of Rain), Gary Allan 55
56 64 57 8 Anything Could Happen, Ellie Goulding 56
57 62 58 11 Beer Money, Kip Moore 57
58 82 97 4 Sweet Nothing, Calvin Harris Featuring Florence Welch 58
59 66 70 5 F**kin Problems, A$AP Rocky Featuring Drake, 2 Chainz & Kendrick Lamar 59
60 61 55 17 Birthday Song, 2 Chainz Featuring Kanye West 47
61 67 66 15 Creepin', Eric Church 61
62 52 53 19 Come Wake Me Up, Rascal Flatts 52
63 79 98 3 I'm Different, 2 Chainz 63
64 69 69 9 How Country Feels, Randy Houser 64
65 74 78 4 The Only Way I Know, Jason Aldean With Luke Bryan & Eric Church 65
66 68 64 15 Madness, Muse 60
67 65 41 3 Little Things, One Direction 41
68 70 75 11 Did It For The Girl, Greg Bates 68
69 73 81 5 Wicked Games, The Weeknd 69
70 55 68 9 Live While We're Young, One Direction 3
71 54 43 12 Finally Found You, Enrique Iglesias Featuring Sammy Adams 24
72 76 71 14 Radioactive, Imagine Dragons 71
73 75 72 9 Southern Comfort Zone, Brad Paisley 68
74 77 82 8 El Cerrito Place, Kenny Chesney 74
75 81 80 7 Ball, T.I. Featuring Lil Wayne 50
76 80 79 9 Diced Pineapples, Rick Ross Featuring Wale & Drake 74
77 78 73 9 Begin Again, Taylor Swift 7
78 83 88 4 Tornado, Little Big Town 78
79 58 54 19 Fastest Girl In Town, Miranda Lambert 47
80 72 65 17 Turn On The Lights, Future 50
81 85 89 5 Don't Judge Me, Chris Brown 81
82 98 - 2 Remember You, Wiz Khalifa Featuring The Weeknd 82
83 RE-ENTRY 2 Rest Of My Life, Ludacris Featuring Usher & David Guetta 72
84 90 94 6 Poetic Justice, Kendrick Lamar Featuring Drake 76
85 84 76 20 Take A Little Ride, Jason Aldean 12
86 100 - 2 Somebody's Heartbreak, Hunter Hayes 86
87 87 90 7 Ready Or Not, Bridgit Mendler 78
88 91 91 7 Ice, Kelly Rowland Featuring Lil Wayne 88
89 93 96 5 Young & Gettin' It, Meek Mill Featuring Kirko Bangz 89
90 96 100 4 Celebration, Game Featuring Chris Brown, Tyga, Wiz Khalifa & Lil Wayne 82
91 RE-ENTRY 2 Tip It On Back, Dierks Bentley 91
92 92 87 13 Dance For You, Beyonce 78
93 99 93 14 Take A Walk, Passion Pit 85
94 NEW 1 Too Close, Melanie Martinez 94
95 NEW 1 Are You Happy Now?, Cassadee Pope 95
96 NEW 1 One Of Those Nights, Tim McGraw 96
97 NEW 1 Representin', Ludacris Featuring Kelly Rowland 97
98 53 67 3 A Thousand Years (Part 2), Christina Perri Featuring Steve Kazee 53
99 NEW 1 Oath, Cher Lloyd Featuring Becky G 99
100 94 - 2 Give It All We Got Tonight, George Strait 94

[felipe]

Dec 5, 2012 19:55:32 GMT -5 @cynthiarose said:

Dec 5, 2012 17:59:31 GMT -5 felipe said:

But if the song got a negative feedback from listeners, why would people still be buying it so much?

What HolidayGuy said. I apologize, I should have further clarified that not all listeners participate in the research/surveys/whatever methods they use to measure.

Also, it's worth noting that the radio audience doesn't necessarily equal the downloading audience. There have been a few songs before that performed really well on radio even though their sales lagged somewhat in iTunes; the radio audience may be content to hear a song on radio, but not actually buy it. "Girl On Fire," for one, is probably getting most of its sales from people who heard the song in the commercial. These people may not be the same ones who are listening to the radio.

I think it's just weird the idea that people who watch the commercial like the song and even buy it, but people who listen to it on the radio do not like it. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just weird.

[elementd5]

Dec 5, 2012 22:28:10 GMT -5 leoapp said:

I miss a few years ago when we had many #1 Hot 100 in 1 year. Now, it's just about airplay. It's like 2003-2006 all over again

Every Hot 100 #1 this year, sans One More Night, concurrently reached #1 in digital sales. And every sales #1 that did not reached #1 on the Hot 100, sans three (Bieber/1D/M5 - who were all blocked by 4million+ sellers) basically sold less than 300k, so it's not like huge sellers are being shut out.

[Rocky]

Dec 6, 2012 9:57:15 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Dec 5, 2012 22:28:10 GMT -5 leoapp said:

I miss a few years ago when we had many #1 Hot 100 in 1 year. Now, it's just about airplay. It's like 2003-2006 all over again

Every Hot 100 #1 this year, sans One More Night, concurrently reached #1 in digital sales. And every sales #1 that did not reached #1 on the Hot 100, sans two (Bieber/1D) basically sold less than 300k, so it's not like huge sellers are being shut out.

Add "Payphone" (493k), "Gangnam Style" (301k) and "I Knew You Were Trouble" (416k) to the list. Actually huge sellers were shut out one-after-another.

[nivekwriter1]

Other airplay updates (12/6/2012)

ZAC BROWN BAND - Goodbye In Her Eyes: 55.365 (+ 0.765)
ERIC CHURCH - Creepin': 45.846 (+ 0.833)
PITBULL - Don't Stop The Party: 39.584 (+ 0.448)
LITTLE BIG TOWN - Tornado: 28.392 (+ 0.379)
BRUNO MARS - When I Was Your Men: 0.593 (+ 0.258)
WHAM! - Last Christmas: 27.686 (+ 1.763)
TERRY MCDERMOTT - I Want To Know What Love Is: 4.999 (- 1.866)
ALEX DAY - Stupid Stupid: 3.037 (- 0.632)

Very typical for songs from a talent show,
it that the first the they get a lot of airplay,
and the second they they will lose a lot.

[elementd5]

Dec 6, 2012 10:05:49 GMT -5 Rocky said:

Dec 6, 2012 9:57:15 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Every Hot 100 #1 this year, sans One More Night, concurrently reached #1 in digital sales. And every sales #1 that did not reached #1 on the Hot 100, sans two (Bieber/1D) basically sold less than 300k, so it's not like huge sellers are being shut out.

Add "Payphone" (493k), "Gangnam Style" (301k) and "I Knew You Were Trouble" (416k) to the list. Actually huge sellers were shut out one-after-another.

I forgot about M5, but both Taylor and GS got blocked by a song that was simultaneously Top 3/2 in sales. People are making it seem like songs that aren't even Top 10 in sales are blocking sales #1. Sales-wise, overall, One More Night was clearly the bigger hit than GS and IKYWT (at least at this point, in regard to the Taylor song).

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Dec 6, 2012 10:14:55 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Dec 6, 2012 10:05:49 GMT -5 Rocky said:

Add "Payphone" (493k), "Gangnam Style" (301k) and "I Knew You Were Trouble" (416k) to the list. Actually huge sellers were shut out one-after-another.

I forgot about M5, but both Taylor and GS got blocked by a song that was simultaneously Top 3/2 in sales. People are making it seem like songs that aren't even Top 10 in sales are blocking sales #1. Sales-wise, overall, One More Night was clearly the bigger hit than GS and IKYWT (at least at this point, in regard to the Taylor song).

OMN was not bigger sales wise. The only reason its sold more so far is because it came out first. Even now GS is still the #2 selling song in the country.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Dec 6, 2012 10:05:49 GMT -5 Rocky said:

Dec 6, 2012 9:57:15 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Every Hot 100 #1 this year, sans One More Night, concurrently reached #1 in digital sales. And every sales #1 that did not reached #1 on the Hot 100, sans two (Bieber/1D) basically sold less than 300k, so it's not like huge sellers are being shut out.

Add "Payphone" (493k), "Gangnam Style" (301k) and "I Knew You Were Trouble" (416k) to the list. Actually huge sellers were shut out one-after-another.

thank you!

[Deleted]

One More Night won out over Gangnam Style week after week due to mainly radio support

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2012 10:14:55 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Dec 6, 2012 10:05:49 GMT -5 Rocky said:

People are making it seem like songs that aren't even Top 10 in sales are blocking sales #1.

Let Me Love You and Some Nights aren't top 10, the former isn't even top 30 on iTunes, yet they blocked the digital top 3.

Dec 5, 2012 19:26:04 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Dec 5, 2012 16:15:32 GMT -5 upsidedown said:

I can't fathom though these rules. How does a song #1 in digital sales only end up at #12 on the Hot 100 chart? I feel like that's so flawed.

Anyway, most weeks a paltry 196K wouldn't come close to being #1 on the digital sales chart.

Most weeks it would have sold more. Every song is falling now due to Christmas giftcards coming soon.

[kirby2725]

Dec 5, 2012 16:44:41 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Ouch. As lead artist, Alicia had 6 T10s in her first 4 years, 1 in the last 8 years.

Not surprising. R&B used to chart much higher. Any artist that hasn't switched to dance hits has seen the same thing.

These days it's an achievement for an R&B song to go top 40. Top 20 is considered amazing.

[Deleted]

Going Recurrent this week:
from 44: Train, 50 Ways To Say Goodbye, peak 20, wks on 20
from 48: David Guetta ft. Sia, Titanium, peak 7, wks on 33

Other Drop Outs:
from 25: Cassadee Pope, Over You, peak 25, wks on 1
from 71: Christina Aguilera ft. Blake Shelton, Just A Fool, peak 71, wks on 2
from 86: Melanie Martinez, Seven Nation Army, peak 86, wks on 1
from 88: Nicki Minaj, Pound The Alarm, peak 15, wks on 18
from 89: The Wanted, I Found You, peak 89, wks on 2
from 95: Grace Potter and The Nocturnals, Stars, peak 95, wks on 1
from 97: Amanda Brown, Stars, peak 97, wks on 1

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Dec 6, 2012 10:44:45 GMT -5 @2m said:

One More Night won out over Gangnam Style week after week due to mainly radio support

Even when GS had a 100k lead in sales. To me that's a crime. To me airplay should not be the be all end all in terms of popularity. It should be sales if it has to be anything.

[Get Your Life.]

Dec 6, 2012 14:33:56 GMT -5 @gagalicious said:

Going Recurrent this week:
from 44: Train, 50 Ways To Say Goodbye, peak 20, wks on 20


Other Drop Outs:
from 89: The Wanted, I Found You, peak 89, wks on 2

:'( :'( :'( they will be missed.

[forg]

50 weeks for Lights!

Looks like this is the final week for Somebody That I Used to Know

[kingofpain]

Damn, Swedish House Mafia and Ed Sheeran still sitting outside the Top 20. And yes, I agree that the sales component needs to be greater than the airplay component. The system is corrupt and like someone else stated, a handful of powerful people are the ones who decide what gets played and what gets promoted. It's absolute bullshit. The Hot 100 is supposed to reflect what's "currently popular", yet it's more about "what's currently being spun a zillion times to death on Clear Channel stations across the country".

Sales should definitely make up about 70% of the ratio... airplay is bullcrap as that is NOT what the public is asking for. I've never been asked what should be played on my local radio station. And even when they used to do "surveys" and encourage you to go to the station's website and "vote" for songs that were new and if you wanted to hear them played more... whatever songs I chose (they were usually more electronic/dance-pop songs), they wouldn't get played anyway. It's like they just put the survey there to make their playlist look legit when it was all about payola and they were going to play whoever they damn well felt like to begin with.

[WotUNeed]

Dec 6, 2012 21:41:51 GMT -5 kingofpain said:

The Hot 100 is supposed to reflect what's "currently popular",

According to whom? General popularity is intangible; trying to truly measure it would be a fool's errand, although there are ways to approximate it. The Hot 100 is more about a song's ability to generate revenue, which is related to its popularity, but is more specific and a more reasonable thing to attempt to measure.

[Au$tin]

The Hot 100's purpose is to show what is popular inside the music industry. The music industry cares most about airplay because out of the three formats, airplay is the one that brings in the most revenue.

The Billboard charts are NOT for the general public. They are for people in the music industry.

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2012 22:11:03 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

The Hot 100's purpose is to show what is popular inside the music industry. The music industry cares most about airplay because out of the three formats, airplay is the one that brings in the most revenue.

The Billboard charts are NOT for the general public. They are for people in the music industry.

No lies detected, but this doesn't do much to defeat kingofpain's assertion that the industry is corrupt. In fact it kind of affirms it.

[SPRΞΞ]

The industry knows that airplay brings in revenue. The industry also controls what is played on the radio. So in essence, they control their own money. Very corrupt.

[elementd5]

Dec 6, 2012 10:35:43 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Dec 6, 2012 10:14:55 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

I forgot about M5, but both Taylor and GS got blocked by a song that was simultaneously Top 3/2 in sales. People are making it seem like songs that aren't even Top 10 in sales are blocking sales #1. Sales-wise, overall, One More Night was clearly the bigger hit than GS and IKYWT (at least at this point, in regard to the Taylor song).

OMN was not bigger sales wise. The only reason its sold more so far is because it came out first. Even now GS is still the #2 selling song in the country.

And the #1 song on the Hot 100 is the #6 song in sales and #1 in AirPlay. Similar to when OMN was #1 in AirPlay and Top 5 in sales. Its not like songs are getting blocked from #1 by non-smash hits. The Hot 100 is all inclusive.

[felipe]

Dec 6, 2012 14:57:10 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Dec 6, 2012 10:44:45 GMT -5 @2m said:

One More Night won out over Gangnam Style week after week due to mainly radio support

Even when GS had a 100k lead in sales. To me that's a crime. To me airplay should not be the be all end all in terms of popularity. It should be sales if it has to be anything.

In a country that has over 300 million people, I don't think 100k people really reflect what's popular.

I do believe though Gangnam Style was more popular than OMN but that's basically due to youtube, not sales figures. GS was such a huge hit because everybody was watching it on the web, and if that had more weight on the Hot 100 it'd have definately hit #1.

[Enigma.]

Dec 7, 2012 0:40:44 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

The industry also controls what is played on the radio.

I thought that was the advertisers? Commercial radio will always play songs their advertisers want them to play.

[Push The Button]

When I was a DJ/morning show host, I played songs that I wanted to play.