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Post by SuperTrouper on Feb 21, 2013 9:37:29 GMT -5
Another potential consequence: Artists releasing multiple versions of videos to get higher peaks. Alternate edits, director's cuts, live versions, etc.
Especially big stars with highly-anticipated music videos can use this trick very efficiently, since they get a lot of curiosity views right out of the gate. Multiple versions of a video could amplify this effect.
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Post by jebsib on Feb 21, 2013 9:38:55 GMT -5
Its funny that what with the relaxing of the Recurrent Rule, the increase of On-Demand presence and now YouTube, that the Hot 100 of today looks nothing like that of a year ago!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 9:40:10 GMT -5
100 0 New 1 Hold On, Alabama Shakes 100 Kurt! Kurt! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 9:45:54 GMT -5
Thanks, 2m- now, I don't have to adjust the presentation- "this week," "last week," etc. rankings in their preferred places. :) yes, I can't stand the new format. I designed a spreadsheet to easil y convert the new format into the old one |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Feb 21, 2013 9:54:18 GMT -5
Is BILL WERDE the one who makes the rule? If so, he should be fired.
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Post by Mikal on Feb 21, 2013 9:54:46 GMT -5
What does this mean for covers? Some of those get millions of hits. Will that count toward original artist or not added at all?
What about performances on X Factor/American Idol, they also can get millions of hits.
It's such a flawed system, they need to release a statement.
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 21, 2013 9:59:28 GMT -5
I have to say after looking at this chart, I dont hate the rule change as much. Yeah, I don't know if I hate it. I like the fact that youtube streams are factored in (especially with the lyric/audio only videos) but I still do not think that every video is watched because of the song, so it's not really a song chart anymore in my eyes. It's a song and video chart. |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 21, 2013 10:05:49 GMT -5
^ Bill Werde is the editor-in-cheif. Silvio P is the director of charts, and has been the Hot 100 manager since the spring of 1999. Werde has always seemed to have a God complex to me, and likes being the face of the company. I think most of these ideas (like the Genre Charts, etc) are his baby.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:06:10 GMT -5
Well Alternative just took a big punch to the face.
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Post by Arabella21 on Feb 21, 2013 10:08:22 GMT -5
What does this mean for covers? Some of those get millions of hits. Will that count toward original artist or not added at all? What about performances on X Factor/American Idol, they also can get millions of hits. It's such a flawed system, they need to release a statement. Probably, it still has to be performed by the original artist to count. All of those Harlem Shake videos did feature audio of the Baauer song. Maybe only 30 seconds, but of the real song and not of somebody's cover of it. Covers will probably continue to chart in their own right as they have with Glee or The Voice, but now video views of those cover performances would get chart points as well. |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Feb 21, 2013 10:11:24 GMT -5
^ Bill Werde is the editor-in-cheif. Silvio P is the director of charts, and has been the Hot 100 manager since the spring of 1999. Werde has always seemed to have a God complex to me, and likes being the face of the company. I think most of these ideas (like the Genre Charts, etc) are his baby. Well, he ruined the country and R&B chart system and now he ruined all genre system.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:16:12 GMT -5
Well, he ruined the country and R&B chart system and now he ruined all genre system. The new chart does suck, but the Country Airplay chart does exist. |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Feb 21, 2013 10:18:34 GMT -5
Well, he ruined the country and R&B chart system and now he ruined all genre system. The new chart does suck, but the Country Airplay chart does exist. i know. but it's not the main chart in country. the main chart is Hot country song, which include airplay from other radio format |
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Feb 21, 2013 10:23:53 GMT -5
^ Bill Werde is the editor-in-cheif. Silvio P is the director of charts, and has been the Hot 100 manager since the spring of 1999. Werde has always seemed to have a God complex to me, and likes being the face of the company. I think most of these ideas (like the Genre Charts, etc) are his baby. Is he the sort who'd release some kind of  personified letter to the readers? |
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Post by The Upper Hand on Feb 21, 2013 10:24:12 GMT -5
Paul Grein's comments about it:
"Baauer is the beneficiary of what Billboard characterizes as “a major shakeup” in Hot 100 methodology. You Tube streaming data is being counted for the first time. That information joins these other factors that are already part of the chart mix: digital download track sales (and physical singles sales, where applicable), terrestrial radio airplay, on-demand audio streaming and online radio streaming. (Nielsen will count all official videos on YouTube, including Vevo on YouTube, as well as user-generated clips that utilize authorized audio.)"
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 10:27:30 GMT -5
Tons of legal jargon there. "Official videos," "user-generated clips," and "authorized audio" are very general terms. What makes a video official? Are all of the user-generated songs going to count? No, just the ones that utilize authorized audio. What is authorized audio? Audio that the user was authorized to use? So, wouldn't that knock out all of the 30 second "Harlem Shake" clips? I'm sure none of them actually asked the label if they could use it.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 21, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -5
Since this is such a big development and many of us have comment more than once, should the mod create a separate thread just focusing on this BB policy? I'm sure we'll have lots to talk about during the coming days and weeks and it shouldn't be limited to 03/02/13 thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:28:55 GMT -5
Hot 100 26 48 46 24 Gangnam Style, PSY 2 This came just in time to stop Psy from going recurrent.  |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 10:29:37 GMT -5
"Gangnam Style" will break the record for longest stay on the Hot 100.  |
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 21, 2013 10:39:02 GMT -5
"Gangnam Style" will break the record for longest stay on the Hot 100. That will make up for it not going to #1 :) |
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 21, 2013 10:45:47 GMT -5
So I wonder if record companies will stop removing user-uploaded videos of official songs that the users don't have copyright permission for? I mean, every little bit helps, I guess.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 21, 2013 10:49:17 GMT -5
^ Bill Werde is the editor-in-cheif. Silvio P is the director of charts, and has been the Hot 100 manager since the spring of 1999. Werde has always seemed to have a God complex to me, and likes being the face of the company. I think most of these ideas (like the Genre Charts, etc) are his baby. If I'm lucky maybe, I'll get to meet him very soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:50:03 GMT -5
The Stay video got around 25 million youtube views last week, maybe that was enough to push it into the top 3? I'm still not sure if that even counts. looooooool I agree with including it. I haven't read too much into it, but if it only counts, let's say, <5 views for one person, then I think it's a very good idea. Sure, some people might only be watching something for the video, but there's always going to be that. How do you know people aren't putting songs on repeat on spotify? How do you know people actually like the songs on the radio, and it isn't just forced on them? There's always a margine of error but all in all it's a good idea. On adding covers and lyric videos, hm. Well lyric videos I obviously agree with but I'm not sure about covers, maybe weighted. However, counting every video with 30 seconds of Harlem Shake in it is kind of stupid. Those should count for 1/7 of a play, or whatever percent of the full song it is. |
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Post by wavey. on Feb 21, 2013 10:50:05 GMT -5
So I wonder if record companies will stop removing user-uploaded videos of official songs that the users don't have copyright permission for? I mean, every little bit helps, I guess. That's what I'm thinking. They'll probably encourage it more. |
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Post by KMJ1 on Feb 21, 2013 10:52:15 GMT -5
Ok..Billboard has NEVER been more of a mess then now lol! Between their new system, the web-site etc etc..just..never seen it THIS bad. The closest was when in the late 90s when the charts were 100% radio based :# lol. They actually had it close to almost right/perfect prior to when the streaming counted (when it became more about sales w/ less emphasis on airplay) but still, a simple and legit formula. WHY f*ck w/ it lol. Now, it just adds a lot more shade and complications to get a truly accurate idea of whats 'really' #1. IMO it should simply be about ONE thing- what *sells* the most (the way they do it just about everywhere in the world but the damn US lol). Even w/ the airplay factor..ok that's kinda legit and has always been part of the Billboard chart formula. What theyre doing now is nothing but a shady mess capital M and makes the chart totally useless and lacks any credibility now. This new 'system' is something that will EASILY be manipulated w/ out most people knowing the truth, and make it almost impossible for the the public to know whats really going on (vs. just looking at iTunes and Mediabase) and doing pretty simply math.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -5
The new chart does suck, but the Country Airplay chart does exist. i know. but it's not the main chart in country. the main chart is Hot country song, which include airplay from other radio format My take on this is that as a 'fan' there are enough charts available that you can choose whichever one you want to have as your main chart. Whether it is changes to country or R&B or Hot 100, all the components that feed them are available separately and can be your 'main chart' if you choose it to be. On a side note: As I posted a few pages back my take on the Hot 100 change is that it is great and it is about time. This should have happened ages ago. (Gangnam Style for example would have likely been song of the the year - it just completed a 20 week run at #1 on the youtube chart) Now that they recognize videos(which they should have done in the MTV years), the next logical steps would be to add video play on music channels to the airplay component of the Hot 100 and itunes video sales to the sales component of the Hot 100 |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 21, 2013 11:00:02 GMT -5
Do they still not include Satellite radio audience? Never understood that.
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Post by KMJ1 on Feb 21, 2013 11:00:27 GMT -5
so..with this new 'formula' Mimis One Sweet Day (17 years lol) is gonna not be so sweet anymore once the next Gangham Style comes (which is only a matter of time) lol.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 11:01:19 GMT -5
Now that they recognize videos(which they should have done in the MTV years), the next logical steps would be to add video play on music channels to the airplay component of the Hot 100 and itunes video sales to the sales component of the Hot 100LOL. MTV plays their top video like, what, 15 times a week now? Wouldn't affect the chart at all. But, yes, it should've been implemented back in the 80s where it would've been a huge factor. |
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Post by damku13 on Feb 21, 2013 11:02:21 GMT -5
Very VERY curious to know if Rebecca Black's "Friday" would've hit #1, and if so for how long. I hope somebody figures out the math around the new rules, and looks back to find out :)
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