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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 20, 2013 11:15:05 GMT -5
Let's not forget a more recent example, didn't Demi Lovato hit #1 on the CHR Pop airplay chart... and she didn't even crack the HOT100 top 10. That was a very weird case... mainly due to digital sales never lining up in her favor, but more surprising is that radio supported a song that clearly wasn't that popular with the buying public. Then you have digital/streaming smashes like Psy and Bauuer who can't even get a radio station to play them even if they got down on their knees and begged. psy did get a good amount of airplay
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 20, 2013 11:16:30 GMT -5
wow hanson will have a great comeback 1,000 audience impressions i was a fan of them as a child but as i know that they are a ''republican/conservative/christian'' band, i ignore them like most americans do # amy grant and ted nugent by the way are ignored too I know that they are more on the traditional side of the political spectrum, but not sure if they are actively nasty (e.g. Michelle Shocked who went on a bizarre homophobic rage recently in concert). I must admit I am in the minority among music lovers. I actually don't really care whether an artist is likable or not, I only care about the music. That is why I never get involved in the flame wars I see on Pulse about particular artists. Rihanna, Mariah Carey, Madonna, or Lady Gaga, my feelings for them are the same. None.
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Post by trumandare on Mar 20, 2013 11:34:43 GMT -5
you are absolutely right by the way i like nickelback although i know they are conservatives hmm back to the charts there was a dark time in the 2000s when single sales broke down in the year 2001 Mariah careys Loverboy was the best selling single (it sold 570,000 cd singles) and this due to a 49 cents discount by virgin !!! in the year 2002 nickelback how you remind me was # 1 on the hot 100 and best selling single (it sold under 500,000 copies ) nowadays we have 5x 6x PLATINUM singles,, i think digital downloads= great effort otherwise album sales at a low point bon jovi sold 90,000 copies to land on # 1 this week
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Post by kingofpain on Mar 20, 2013 11:37:38 GMT -5
i wasn't aware that Hanson were conservative either. Are they homophobes? Michelle Shocked is an extreme case. She's a washed-up has been who's devoted following consisted mainly of lesbians and she managed to shed those after her homophobic rant. It's almost amusing to me to watch the self-destruction of a new-found religious hypocrite, I just wish it wasn't at the expense of bashing gays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 11:40:18 GMT -5
Does anyone think the Hot 100 could return to semi-normal once Harlem Shake dies down? I mean, its a pretty rare occurance for a song to make such a viral impact a la GS so it seems that things just may balance themselves out in a couple months? Yes, that's what we've been saying for weeks.
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Post by trumandare on Mar 20, 2013 12:01:17 GMT -5
its strange where are the daily updates ?
since monday there was not an update on the mediabase site !
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 20, 2013 12:20:27 GMT -5
i wasn't aware that Hanson were conservative either. Are they homophobes? Michelle Shocked is an extreme case. She's a washed-up has been who's devoted following consisted mainly of lesbians and she managed to shed those after her homophobic rant. It's almost amusing to me to watch the self-destruction of a new-found religious hypocrite, I just wish it wasn't at the expense of bashing gays. BTW - Conservative DOES NOT EQUAL Homophobe. Keep in mind that Hilary Clinton only switched her position on gay marriage this week; Obama only after Biden forced him too and Pres Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage act. No one called them homophobes, but if a conservative holds those positions, that's what they would be called. I'd say several AA artists, who are "liberals" are major homophobes - just listen to the lyrics and the stances that Black churches take on homosexuality. (See Prop. 8) It's really a shame. Anyway, back to the charts. Who would've thought Hanson would've gotten this much attention!
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 20, 2013 12:22:39 GMT -5
wow hanson will have a great comeback 1,000 audience impressions i was a fan of them as a child but as i know that they are a ''republican/conservative/christian'' band, i ignore them like most americans do # amy grant and ted nugent by the way are ignored too I know that they are more on the traditional side of the political spectrum, but not sure if they are actively nasty (e.g. Michelle Shocked who went on a bizarre homophobic rage recently in concert). I must admit I am in the minority among music lovers. I actually don't really care whether an artist is likable or not, I only care about the music. That is why I never get involved in the flame wars I see on Pulse about particular artists. Rihanna, Mariah Carey, Madonna, or Lady Gaga, my feelings for them are the same. None. this isn't aimed specifically at you, but I think the idea that fans ever really "know" a celebrity is a bit deluded - as long as someone knows there's a camera on them, I question the authenticity of anything they say or do. that said, my enjoyment of an artist's music would still be affected if they started making extremely homophobic remarks, a la Michelle Shocked. I can separate an artist and their product to a certain extent, but if they're constantly spreading the message that I'm sub-human and evil and yadda yadda yadda, I really can't bring myself to enjoy their music.
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Post by trumandare on Mar 20, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -5
who is michelle ??
michelle branch ???
i think most so called conservative celebs are idiots and not very authentic
look at leane rimes, britney spears,, not so conservative to betray your husband with another man, and look at britneys and leanes lyrics about sex etc.
and look at tiger woods, kid rock etc..
conservative and republican people are classicaly different than those people i mentioned
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 20, 2013 12:37:14 GMT -5
who is michelle ??
michelle branch ???i think most so called conservative celebs are idiots and not very authentic look at leane rimes, britney spears,, not so conservative to betray your husband with another man, and look at britneys and leanes lyrics about sex etc. and look at tiger woods, kid rock etc.. conservative and republican people are classicaly different than those people i mentioned honestly, I hadn't heard of Michelle Shocked until her recent outburst in San Francisco made the news, but her comments are a perfect example of something that would put me off an artist's music. www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/19/michelle-shocked-anti-gay-rant
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 20, 2013 12:37:46 GMT -5
I am sort of sad if Hanson are conservative homophobes. Teenager me wants to think they are good people I would like to hang out with Ultimately, I don't care about politics if the music is good though unless it is an extreme case. If I stopped listening to any music from anyone I think I wouldn't like as a person I would have to empty out 75% of my music library.
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 20, 2013 12:52:10 GMT -5
that said, my enjoyment of an artist's music would still be affected if they started making extremely homophobic remarks, a la Michelle Shocked. I can separate an artist and their product to a certain extent, but if they're constantly spreading the message that I'm sub-human and evil and yadda yadda yadda, I really can't bring myself to enjoy their music.
True, my feelings to a certain degree would change, but after more than 5 decades of living I have developed a thick skin. To my mind a person's homophobia (or racism, sexism) says more about them, then about me (if that makes any sense).
My views have been shaped somewhat by my first love in music, which is classical. I love the music of Beethoven and Wagner, despite the obvious character flaws of both men.
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 20, 2013 12:54:01 GMT -5
Baauer Tops Hot 100 for Fifth Week, Despite Continued Streaming Slide[/u] Baauer leads the Billboard Hot 100 for a fifth week with "Harlem Shake," although the viral smash registers a fourth consecutive week of declines in YouTube streaming. As a result, the song's lead shrinks considerably over the chart's No. 2 title, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' former four-week No. 1 "Thrift Shop," featuring Wanz. After "Shake" entered the Hot 100 at No. 1 concurrent with the addition of U.S. YouTube video streaming data to the chart, online momentum for the song, the viral hit thanks to its pop culture-conquering meme, slips for a fourth straight week. "Shake" holds at No. 1 on the Nielsen BDS-based Streaming Songs chart with a 42% decrease to 28 million streams, down from 48 million last week. It logged 54 million the week before, 98 million three weeks ago and 103 million upon its Hot 100 debut. "Shake," does, however, increase in on-demand audio streaming. It falls 16-19 on the audio subscription services-based On-Demand Songs chart but with a 17% gain to 739,000 streams. Sales for "Shake" slide by 22% to 186,000 downloads sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan, as "Shake" descends 4-6 on the Digital Songs chart. Its total radio audience weakens by 9% to 7.1 million, a sum not strong enough for "Shake" to have yet reached the 75-position-deep all-format BDS-based Radio Songs chart (making it the first such Hot 100 No. 1 since 2006.) As "Shake" again rules the Hot 100 (and the Dance/Electronic Songs chart), Macklemore & Lewis' "Shop" remains at No. 2 following a four-week command, while holding atop Radio Songs and Digital Songs. It leads Radio Songs with 118 million in audience (down 2%) and tops Digital Songs for a 10th week. "Shop" becomes one of just four songs to command Digital Songs for at least 10 weeks; Flo Rida's "Low," featuring T-Pain, ruled for 13 in 2007-08, while the Black Eyed Peas' "Boom Boom Pow" and "I Gotta Feeling" each dominated for 10. With 270,000 in digital sales (down 12%), "Shop" reaches 4.8 million sold to date. The total, however, halts the song's record sum for the most weeks (nine) of selling 300,000 or more. "Shop" leads On-Demand Songs for a record-extending 11th week, topping the list with 1.97 million on-demand streams (up 25%). "Shop" holds at No. 2 on Streaming Songs (9.5 million, up 4%) and leads Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs for a 10th week. "Shake" decreases by a lofty 39% in overall Hot 100 chart points and "Shop" drops by just 4%. Thus, after "Shake" held a two-to-one points lead (103%) over "Shop" last week, the margin contracts to a 29% lead for "Shake" this week. Below the now-five-week logjam at Nos. 1 and 2, other notable Hot 100 action abounds. Bruno Mars' "When I Was Your Man" (3-3) claims the Hot 100's top Airplay Gainer award for a sixth consecutive week. The streak is the longest since fun.'s six-week No. 1 "We Are Young" (featuring Janelle Monae) also linked six straight weeks with the honor last year and the best by a male since T.I.'s "Live Your Life" (featuring Rihanna) ran up six in a row in late 2008. Following his role as host and musical guest on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" (March 9), Justin Timberlake's "Suit & Tie," featuring Jay-Z, returns to its No. 4 Hot 100 peak (5-4), after first reaching the rank eight weeks ago. Encompassing a full week of sales after the appearance, "Suit" gains by 33% to 201,000 downloads sold, also lifting 5-4 on Digital Songs. It pushes 5-3 on Radio Songs (113 million, up 14%) and enters the Streaming Songs top 10 (12-7; 3.8 million, up 60%), granting it the Hot 100's top Streaming Gainer badge. Follow-up "Mirrors," meanwhile, is the Hot 100's top Digital Gainer, bounding 77-25. It flies 48-8 on Digital Songs (121,00, up 205%). (Timberlake, thus, becomes the first artist to earn the Streaming and Digital Gainer awards in the same week with different songs since the Streaming Gainer ribbon was introduced a year ago this month.) The tracks usher in Timberlake's third solo album, "The 20/20 Experience," released yesterday and expected to storm in atop next week's Billboard 200 album chart. Rihanna's "Stay," featuring Mikky Ekko, retreats 4-5 on the Hot 100 despite strong airplay and streaming gains. It surges 16-11 on Radio Songs (71 million, up 30%) and holds at No. 9 on Streaming Songs (3.4 million, up 15%). The cut holds at No. 3 on Digital Songs with a 6% decline to 222,000. Drake's "Started From the Bottom" returns to its No. 6 Hot 100 peak (7-6), switching spots with Taylor Swift's No. 2-peaking "I Knew You Were Trouble." (6-7), while will.i.am and Britney Spears' No. 3 hit "Scream & Shout" stays at No. 8. (this week, will.i.am released a new single, "#thatPOWER," featuring Justin Bieber.) P!nk produces her 14th Hot 100 top 10, as "Just Give Me a Reason," featuring fun.'s Nate Ruess, vaults 18-9. The third single from her first Billboard 200 No. 1 album, "The Truth About Love," jumps 8-5 on Digital Songs (171,000, up 40%), 42-19 on Streaming Songs (2.1 million, up 86%) and 44-31 on Radio Songs (38 million, up 43%). She began her Truth About Love tour on Feb. 13, likely helping spur the song's continued across-the-board progress. Ruess, meanwhile, makes his first solo top 10 appearance on the Hot 100, following fun.'s six-week No. 1 "We Are Young" and No. 3-peaking "Some Nights." Following his health scare on Friday, Lil Wayne's "Love Me," featuring Drake and Future, dips 9-10, although with a points increase. It rises 29-25 on Radio Songs (43 million, up 5%) and, perhaps owed in part to piqued interest following his hospitalization for a reported seizure, gains by 13% to 1 million on-demand streams. Check Billboard.com tomorrow (March 21), when all rankings, including the Hot 100 and On-Demand Songs in their entirety and Digital Songs and Radio Songs, will be refreshed, as they are each Thursday. www.billboard.com/articles/news/1553826/baauer-tops-hot-100-for-fifth-week-despite-continued-streaming-slide
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 20, 2013 12:54:47 GMT -5
Uh oh....
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Post by kingofpain on Mar 20, 2013 13:05:28 GMT -5
Yay Pink!
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Post by Rocky on Mar 20, 2013 13:08:46 GMT -5
It was relatively close. :S "Thrift Shop" next week maybe? I still hope that it's just a long dream, and when I wake up, "Thrift Shop" is #1 for a 9th week.
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Post by Living Legend on Mar 20, 2013 13:15:55 GMT -5
I have a feeling "When I Was Your Man" or "Suit & Tie" will be #1 next week.
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Post by colson on Mar 20, 2013 13:20:03 GMT -5
Hasn't TS peaked in airplay? And it will probably peak in digital sales in the next few weeks.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 20, 2013 13:20:23 GMT -5
Just wait, some NCAA/March Madness team will release a HS meme and it will skyrocket again. Just like Olympics with Marcerna and CMM. Sadly, it's bound to happen....
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Post by colson on Mar 20, 2013 13:23:09 GMT -5
^I didn't think of that.lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 13:25:39 GMT -5
Hasn't TS peaked in airplay? And it will probably peak in digital sales in the next few weeks. Thrift Shop has already peaked at digital. Sales have been in decline for a few weeks now
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Post by leonagwen on Mar 20, 2013 13:26:32 GMT -5
What a joke,The harlem shake is still number1.Billboard has got to change their chart formula,because the harlem shake is not the most popular song in the country.Mackelomore, bruno mars,or rihanna deserve number one over the harlem shake this week.Youtube views and streaming have too much weight in the chart formula.The first week the harlem shake was number one yeah it probably deserved number one,but im sorry that was five weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 13:30:29 GMT -5
While I am still learning about what is a high weekly stream number and what isn't to try and put this in perspective. It appears likely that 28 million is a pretty high number.
It will be interesting to see what the number is when this thing drops from #1. That will be our gauge in the future to determine what is "deserving" and what isn't
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 20, 2013 13:43:27 GMT -5
While I am still learning about what is a high weekly stream number and what isn't to try and put this in perspective. It appears likely that 28 million is a pretty high number. It will be interesting to see what the number is when this thing drops from #1. That will be our gauge in the future to determine what is "deserving" and what isn'tagreed. the formula looks ridiculous because HS's streaming figures are so ridiculously high...because they're generated almost exclusively by 30-second clips. not only is HS popular, but it takes 1/8 of the time to watch as past viral sensations like "Friday", CMM, GS, etc. I've said this before, but I don't think the blame lies with the weight of YouTube...it lies with weighing a 30-second clip the exact same as a full song. if you took away those 30-second clips, I highly highly doubt HS would be anywhere near No. 1 on the Hot 100. if Billboard counts those meme clips, they should start counting the iTunes preview clips as well (aren't those 3x the length of the HS vids?).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 13:47:30 GMT -5
Well then how many of the full songs are really actually played in full? 30 seconds makes the song in this case.
By as early as two weeks from now the play count should be below 10 million(which is where I think #2 is usually) and this won't matter anymore (until the next one comes along)
If Harlem Shake drops into the teens next week on millions of play counts, it is likely it will lose #1 as well
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Post by velaxti on Mar 20, 2013 13:50:26 GMT -5
While I am still learning about what is a high weekly stream number and what isn't to try and put this in perspective. It appears likely that 28 million is a pretty high number. It will be interesting to see what the number is when this thing drops from #1. That will be our gauge in the future to determine what is "deserving" and what isn't I'm not sure, but they gave us some figures for Thrift Shop's streams. I think Thrift Shop has been in the 10-15 million range most weeks, so maybe a typical #1 streaming hit would be around that amount. I don't think streaming is weighted too highly. Harlem Shake is the only song I'm really seeing people complaining about consistently, I haven't heard much complaint about the other 99 positions in the chart. If they decreased the weighting of a Youtube stream for the chart, then it's going to have very little effect on normal weeks when there's no massive Youtube hits like Harlem Shake about. The weighting of a Youtube stream itself seems reasonable to me, but of course maybe a video that contains only a portion of a track should count for less than a stream of a video containing the full song does. Hopefully the last week for Harlem Shake. I actually like the song, but I'm fed up of seeing people complaining, and I feel sorry for Thrift Shop. I wanted it to break We Found Love's record for this decade. I'm sure something else will though.
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Post by charismatic on Mar 20, 2013 13:50:47 GMT -5
I was expecting to see feel this moment in the top 10. :'( 3 millions views on youtube, top 100 on spotify, 136,000 digital sold, 78 millions AI.
I don't understand why it's not there? It's another back in time situation. Consistent digital seller, good airplay, but it's keeps being blocked. If it peaks at 11, remember guys that it was top 10 on iTunes but something fishy happened.
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 20, 2013 13:53:40 GMT -5
Well then how many of the full songs are really actually played in full? 30 seconds makes the song in this case.By as early as two weeks from now the play count should be below 10 million(which is where I think #2 is usually) and this won't matter anymore (until the next one comes along) If Harlem Shake drops into the teens next week on millions of play counts, it is likely it will lose #1 as well I disagree. 30 seconds makes the meme, not the song. Billboard decided to count them as the same thing, but I think that's where they made their mistake. there's no way to know how many people were watching the "Friday", CMM, GS videos from start to finish, but I think we can make a reasonable assumption that people weren't just watching the first 30 seconds, certainly not as many people as those who are watching the 30-second HS clips. why would you play the first 30 seconds of "Friday", then refresh and play the first 30 seconds again? whereas with HS, there's so many different meme clips that you can watch two completely different videos in a mere 60 seconds, both of which count the same as someone watching "Friday" once in full. I don't think HS's figures are so inflated because it's THAT much more popular than the past viral sensations, it's because it only takes a fraction of the time to watch.
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Post by RadioBeatz on Mar 20, 2013 14:17:33 GMT -5
This should have been Thrift Shop's ninth week at #1, 10 consecutive weeks, straight, atop digital songs, #1 on Radio Songs, #1 on Pop Songs, #1 on On-Demand Songs (for 11 weeks now!), whatever lol Oh God, still those miserable songs by Drake and Lil' Wayne in the top 10. >:( Only great news this week is "Just Give Me A Reason" reach a new peak hopefully "Feel This Moment" enters top 10 next week. :)
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Post by badrobot on Mar 20, 2013 14:23:31 GMT -5
I was expecting to see feel this moment in the top 10. :'( 3 millions views on youtube, top 100 on spotify, 136,000 digital sold, 78 millions AI. I don't understand why it's not there? It's another back in time situation. Consistent digital seller, good airplay, but it's keeps being blocked. If it peaks at 11, remember guys that it was top 10 on iTunes but something fishy happened. There's nothing "fishy." It didn't have enough points.
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