Billboard Hot 100: 03/30/13

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 20, 2013 18:49:29 GMT -5 Arabella21 said:

I just can't get worked up about Thrift Shop being "denied" of all these weeks at #1. I do agree that the new formula is weighting Youtube too much and maybe Harlem Shake should have been on top for two weeks and now it's sort of ridiculous but...TS got four weeks at #1, when so many huge songs couldn't even manage one. And even then, it's not like a song topping the Hot 100 for weeks and weeks means it will be remembered in the long run. So my reaction to this "robbery" is basically a big shrug and a whatever. Some chart watcher I am!

Although I am not crazy about the song, the fact that "Thrift Shop" is not #1 is a travesty. And yes many monster hits have never hit #1 mainly due to bad timing. "Payphone" got stuck at #2 because it was released at the same time as the two biggest hits of 2012.

The Billboard chart department's credibility has been shredded the last five weeks. They can't afford to screw up this badly, by doing so it brings into question their judgement. I can't help but wonder what other screw ups are awaiting us in the future.

Personally I think the only way to restore their credibility is to re-run the last 5 weeks with the 30 second memes removed from the mix. I am sure it won't happen, and "Harlem Shake" will go down as the massive hit that wasn't.

[stetz]

Muse's "Madness" was supposed to have reentered at #53 if I remember what I read correctly, and I find it odd that Miguel and Hunter Hayes still remain on the chart after having dropped below #50, I guess they're still gaining?

[Rocky]

Mar 21, 2013 6:45:00 GMT -5 stetz said:

Muse's "Madness" was supposed to have reentered at #53 if I remember what I read correctly, and I find it odd that Miguel and Hunter Hayes still remain on the chart after having dropped below #50, I guess they're still gaining?

Yes, they're gaining. They will fall off after the first decrease.

[trumandare]

MUSE Madness 37.222 +0.269


and sells well on itunes /amazon etc.

not fair, that the song didnt appear on the hot 100 for weeks '!!

[trumandare]

CARLY RAE JEPSEN Tonight I'm Getting Ov... 2.451 +0.047

is this a good sign that she will have a second hit

there is a mania among critics, that she is a one hit wonder , but i still think she could land a hit

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 9:09:00 GMT -5 trumandare said:

CARLY RAE JEPSEN Tonight I'm Getting Ov... 2.451 +0.047

is this a good sign that she will have a second hit

there is a mania among critics, that she is a one hit wonder , but i still think she could land a hit

It doesn't look like this song is going to take off. The video has been on YouTube for a few weeks, and Top 40 radio seems to be lukewarm.

My best friend (who loved Call Me Maybe) thinks she is going to be a one-hit wonder. If so she will follow in the footsteps of two other Canadians. Terry Jacks had one of the biggest hits of 1974 with "Seasons In The Sun". I don't think he ever reached the Top40 again as a solo artist. Daniel Powter has yet to repeat the success of "Bad Day", the #1 song of 2006.

[trumandare]

oh my god thanks to this information

DANIEL POWTER i know , he had the billboard hot 100 year end # 1 200?

and it was even # 2 on the billboard hot 100 decade end

he had a second single called Fruit loop ???

[kingofpain]

Yeah the positions did get shuffled. Lil Wayne was booted out of the top 10 in place of Pitbull! When were Britney, Justin and Christina last in the top 10 together? And no sign of Zedd either :(

[trumandare]

billboard really sucks

this is a shame for billboard and the music industry

so many mistakes, it reminds me of the billboard change 1991 when there were also problems and mistakes

for example REAL REAL REAL by JESUS JONES peaked at #4 on the hot 100 this week although it was only # 76 on airplay and # 60 sales

unfair !!


muse madness should have reenter the charts at # 53 but its not there

plus it was not mentioned that MIRRORS by jt would have a gain this week

[jebsib]

trumandare, don't misrepresent. The 1991 chart change was not rife with mistakes. You and I may not have liked the transition, but it was the biggest methodology change in music history. The Jesus Jones song was not unfair. It was #4 on the Hot 100 under the previous compilation method that had been used for almost 25 years. It was actually much lower on the newer, computer-driven BDS systems. Not unfair, just a newer more accurate system had replaced the old.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

I just received the Top40 mid-week update, and the HOT 100 top 50 is not the same as the one that is on the website. It is consistent with what was announced yesterday by BB and by Paul Grein.

So I am not sure which one is right. ???

[crystalphnx]

if the weight of YouTube was really having such a disproportionate influence on the Hot 100, wouldn't the Hot 100 and Billboard's YouTube chart mirror each other pretty closely?

Billboard's YouTube Chart

1. Harlem Shake, Baauer (#1 Hot 100)
2. Gangnam Style, PSY (#29 Hot 100)
3. Thrift Shop, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Wanz (#2 Hot 100)
4. El Pollito Pio, Pulcino Pio (not on Hot 100)
5. Stay, Rihanna Featuring Mikky Ekko (#5 Hot 100)
6. I Knew You Were Trouble., Taylor Swift (#7 Hot 100)
7. Scream & Shout, will.i.am & Britney Spears (#9 Hot 100)
8. When I Was Your Man, Bruno Mars (#3 Hot 100)
9. Your Body, Christina Aguilera (not on Hot 100)
10. Diamonds, Rihanna (#46 Hot 100)
11. One Way Or Another (Teenage Kicks), One Direction (#75 Hot 100)
12. Just Give Me A Reason, P!nk Featuring Nate Ruess (#8 Hot 100)
13. 22, Taylor Swift (#62 Hot 100)
14. Kiss You, One Direction (#54 Hot 100)
15. Radioactive, Imagine Dragons (#18 Hot 100)

with the exception of HS, the other songs that are in both the YouTube Top 10 and Hot 100 Top 10 have strong sales and airplay in addition to high YouTube streams. I don't think the Hot 100 formula is broken - HS just makes it look that way because of all the 30-second clips being counted, which have been giving it a ridiculously inflated number of streams.

[trumandare]

@jebsib

thanks to the answer

no i do not understand why the song was # 4

what was the point ?? in the internet many people ask this question JESUS JONES HAD ANOTHER TOP TEN HIT ???

[areyoureadytojump]

The Top 50 of the Hot 100, Airplay and Digital charts is here:

www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/TFMm0321.pdf

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 10:33:43 GMT -5 crystalphnx said:

if the weight of YouTube was really having such a disproportionate influence on the Hot 100, wouldn't the Hot 100 and Billboard's YouTube chart mirror each other pretty closely?

Billboard's YouTube Chart

1. Harlem Shake, Baauer (#1 Hot 100)
2. Gangnam Style, PSY (#29 Hot 100)
3. Thrift Shop, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Wanz (#2 Hot 100)
4. El Pollito Pio, Pulcino Pio (not on Hot 100)
5. Stay, Rihanna Featuring Mikky Ekko (#5 Hot 100)
6. I Knew You Were Trouble., Taylor Swift (#7 Hot 100)
7. Scream & Shout, will.i.am & Britney Spears (#9 Hot 100)
8. When I Was Your Man, Bruno Mars (#3 Hot 100)
9. Your Body, Christina Aguilera (not on Hot 100)
10. Diamonds, Rihanna (#46 Hot 100)
11. One Way Or Another (Teenage Kicks), One Direction (#75 Hot 100)
12. Just Give Me A Reason, P!nk Featuring Nate Ruess (#8 Hot 100)
13. 22, Taylor Swift (#62 Hot 100)
14. Kiss You, One Direction (#54 Hot 100)
15. Radioactive, Imagine Dragons (#18 Hot 100)

with the exception of HS, the other songs that are in both the YouTube Top 10 and Hot 100 Top 10 have strong sales and airplay in addition to high YouTube streams. I don't think the Hot 100 formula is broken - HS just makes it look that way because of all the 30-second clips being counted, which have been giving it a ridiculously inflated number of streams.

???

Chart positions are very misleading, what needs to be looked at is the # of streams behind the chart position. So "Harlem Shake" is #1, but it has 28 million streams, which guarantees it #1 overall. That is despite not being in the top 75 in airplay, nor top 10 on on-demand streaming.

The only reason Gangnam Style is on the HOT 100 is its' YouTube streams. It has disappeared from the airplay chart and is below the top 40 on the digital sales chart.

As for the #4 song, I wondered the same thing. Why is it not on the HOT 100? Unless one knows the total # of YouTube streams during the week it is hard to calculate its' chart points.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 10:37:47 GMT -5 trumandare said:

@jebsib

thanks to the answer

no i do not understand why the song was # 4

what was the point ?? in the internet many people ask this question JESUS JONES HAD ANOTHER TOP TEN HIT ???

The song was #4 based on the methodology that BB was using at the time. They publicized the BDS airplay chart and soundscan sales chart as information only so that the industry could get used to the massive changes that were coming.

"Real, Real, Real" was the most extreme example, but just about every song made significant changes when the new computer methodology was introduced November 30, 1991.

Curtis Stigers was in the top 10 on November 23rd, but was not even in the top 20 on November 30th.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I take it he doesn't like change?

[crystalphnx]

Mar 21, 2013 10:58:10 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

???

Chart positions are very misleading, what needs to be looked at is the # of streams behind the chart position. So "Harlem Shake" is #1, but it has 28 million streams, which guarantees it #1 overall. That is despite not being in the top 75 in airplay, nor top 10 on on-demand streaming.

The only reason Gangnam Style is on the HOT 100 is its' YouTube streams. It has disappeared from the airplay chart and is below the top 40 on the digital sales chart.

As for the #4 song, I wondered the same thing. Why is it not on the HOT 100? Unless one knows the total # of YouTube streams during the week it is hard to calculate its' chart points.

even without the streaming figures for all of those songs, I think my point is still illustrated. people claim that YouTube is having too much of an influence on the Hot 100, that every viral hit will dominate the Hot 100 from now on - and yet, the #4 song on YouTube isn't even on the Hot 100. if a song is JUST a YouTube hit, without sales or airplay, clearly it won't make much (or in this case, any) of an impact on the Hot 100.

I believe that YouTube has appeared to be weighted too strongly because of HS's inflated streaming figures due to the inclusion of 30-second clips. when the next "Friday"/"Gangnam Style" comes along (aka a viral hit based on a song and its actual video, not a 30 second meme) I highly doubt it will have the ridiculous figures that HS has had that have allowed it to dominate the Hot 100 without any airplay (although its sales have been pretty strong too). of course, only time will tell...

[trumandare]

oh now i understand

lets hope that HS will be an outstanding and only youtube phenomenon!!!!!

lets hope that Rebecca blacks mother wont invest further 4,000$ to make her daughter again famous

[renfield75]

Mar 21, 2013 11:04:41 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

Mar 21, 2013 10:37:47 GMT -5 trumandare said:

@jebsib

thanks to the answer

no i do not understand why the song was # 4

what was the point ?? in the internet many people ask this question JESUS JONES HAD ANOTHER TOP TEN HIT ???

The song was #4 based on the methodology that BB was using at the time. They publicized the BDS airplay chart and soundscan sales chart as information only so that the industry could get used to the massive changes that were coming.

"Real, Real, Real" was the most extreme example, but just about every song made significant changes when the new computer methodology was introduced November 30, 1991.

Curtis Stigers was in the top 10 on November 23rd, but was not even in the top 20 on November 30th.

And even in the case of "Real Real Real," it had already begun plummeting before the conversion. I remember being surprised when it plunged 4-23 in a single week. That kind of freefall within the top 40 was somewhat rare at that time.

[renfield75]

Also, I wish Billboard would released an article clarifying why the posted Hot 100 doesn't match up with the article they themselves posted yesterday. Is Pitbull top ten? Why is Muse still absent but the clearly-peaked "Adorn" and "Wanted" are still charting? Why the last minute change?

[RadioBeatz]

"Feel This Moment" is top 10! :o I had to double check Billboard site BUT the newsletter has "Love Me" as #10. maybe a mistake on Billboard.com?

[unwritten]

I think the last chart posted on the Billboard website is what we take in consideration. Not the newsletter. Billboard can make mistakes. But the correct version is the last version. Probably they did not take in consideration some youtube views, because Kelly Rowland who released the video last week (like Pitbull)is one position up. Also, Pink is #8 and not #9 like in the newsletter. FTM was not the only mistake.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 11:35:47 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Also, I wish Billboard would released an article clarifying why the posted Hot 100 doesn't match up with the article they themselves posted yesterday. Is Pitbull top ten? Why is Muse still absent but the clearly-peaked "Adorn" and "Wanted" are still charting? Why the last minute change?

I find it strange that the website has no bullets for the current week (but it does for the past weeks), but the Top 40 newsletter does have bullets. The website is probably the correct one, but it would be good customer service to keep BB subscribers informed about the discrepancy and why it occurred.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -5 crystalphnx said:

Mar 21, 2013 10:58:10 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

???

Chart positions are very misleading, what needs to be looked at is the # of streams behind the chart position. So "Harlem Shake" is #1, but it has 28 million streams, which guarantees it #1 overall. That is despite not being in the top 75 in airplay, nor top 10 on on-demand streaming.

The only reason Gangnam Style is on the HOT 100 is its' YouTube streams. It has disappeared from the airplay chart and is below the top 40 on the digital sales chart.

As for the #4 song, I wondered the same thing. Why is it not on the HOT 100? Unless one knows the total # of YouTube streams during the week it is hard to calculate its' chart points.

even without the streaming figures for all of those songs, I think my point is still illustrated. people claim that YouTube is having too much of an influence on the Hot 100, that every viral hit will dominate the Hot 100 from now on - and yet, the #4 song on YouTube isn't even on the Hot 100. if a song is JUST a YouTube hit, without sales or airplay, clearly it won't make much (or in this case, any) of an impact on the Hot 100.

I believe that YouTube has appeared to be weighted too strongly because of HS's inflated streaming figures due to the inclusion of 30-second clips. when the next "Friday"/"Gangnam Style" comes along (aka a viral hit based on a song and its actual video, not a 30 second meme) I highly doubt it will have the ridiculous figures that HS has had that have allowed it to dominate the Hot 100 without any airplay (although its sales have been pretty strong too). of course, only time will tell...

I agree, the Youtube weighting, if one just focuses on the artist's video, is not the problem, it is expanding the views to YouTubers homemade videos. Youtube video views, for major hits such as "Stay" and "When I Was Your Man", are around 3 to 4 million per week, which is 7,500-10,000 chart points. On the sales chart that would be 90,000 - 120,000 downloads. On the airplay chart it would be equivalent to 60+ - 75 million AI. Seems reasonable to me.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 11:43:56 GMT -5 RadioBeatz said:

"Feel This Moment" is top 10! :o I had to double check Billboard site BUT the newsletter has "Love Me" as #10. maybe a mistake on Billboard.com?

I would hold off celebrating until we know for sure which HOT 100 is the right one. I looked at the HOT 100 Airplay chart, and it shows "Madness" re-entering at #45. I thought a song could not re-enter the airplay chart unless it also re-entered the HOT 100. But maybe I am mistaken. BB has changed its' recurrent rules so frequently I have trouble keeping up!

[irice22]

What's the deal with all these Urban songs being in or near the Top 10? None of them are selling particularly well and have hardly any pop airplay. Does the YouTube rule have anything to do with this?

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 21, 2013 12:56:40 GMT -5 irice22 said:

What's the deal with all these Urban songs being in or near the Top 10? None of them are selling particularly well and have hardly any pop airplay. Does the YouTube rule have anything to do with this?

They (e.g. Drake & 'Lil Wayne) are very high on the on-demand streaming chart which is weighted double the passive streams (which includes Youtube). That is likely the most important factor.

For example, if a song gets 1.5M on-demand streams it would get about 7,500 chart points which is equivalent to 90,000 downloads or 56.25M AI.

[Deleted]

Mar 21, 2013 12:53:48 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

Mar 21, 2013 11:43:56 GMT -5 RadioBeatz said:

"Feel This Moment" is top 10! :o I had to double check Billboard site BUT the newsletter has "Love Me" as #10. maybe a mistake on Billboard.com?

I would hold off celebrating until we know for sure which HOT 100 is the right one. I looked at the HOT 100 Airplay chart, and it shows "Madness" re-entering at #45. I thought a song could not re-enter the airplay chart unless it also re-entered the HOT 100. But maybe I am mistaken. BB has changed its' recurrent rules so frequently I have trouble keeping up!

Maybe true

.biz and .com both say the same thing.

However, the newsletter they put out has it the other way

[charismatic]

Mar 20, 2013 15:46:10 GMT -5 charismatic said:

Of course there's something fishy, FTM had everything to beat 'love me' this week.
It outsold it on iTunes, it has higher airplay and FTM also gained streaming points due to the video and it's even in the top 100 on spotify!

Ha ha I told you guys. I knew that Billboard was wrong. Props to them for correcting their mistake though.

I'm an accountant and I knew that the billboard calculations were off. ;)

Another top 10 for Hitbull as leading act. I'm so proud! :'(