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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2013 22:58:30 GMT -5
Why vote yourself then, if you feel the case against Jason is more compelling? I know if you get lynched he dies anyway, but it would be harder to convince people to vote out the less suspect of the partnership just to take out the suspected scum. I mean sure, I'd just as soon put my vote on Jason, 'cause I think your case is fairly solid but there's just a bit of oddness with your behaviour/reactions that it could be that he's being set up to look guilty when he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:03:37 GMT -5
Why vote yourself then, if you feel the case against Jason is more compelling? I know if you get lynched he dies anyway, but it would be harder to convince people to vote out the less suspect of the partnership just to take out the suspected scum. It was more to make the point that I don't care which one of us gets lynched. I mean sure, I'd just as soon put my vote on Jason, 'cause I think your case is fairly solid but there's just a bit of oddness with your behaviour/reactions that it could be that he's being set up to look guilty when he's not. Such as?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:08:29 GMT -5
I'm not feeling too confident on what to do here, I was pretty sure about Devin, and then he flipped Town. :( I'm going to Vote: Kunt for the second, 'cause I also find it worth noting Kunt was in on both lynches - but as previously stated earlier in this post that isn't necessarily a scum sign. This is going to sound like such bullshit too, but this sounds like such awkward wording to be placing a vote on me right after pardoning yourself for being on the Devin lynch. But hey, what do I know?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2013 23:12:51 GMT -5
I voted you because (as I said) you were in on both lynches, but also because you seemed to be fairly sure your partner is scum but you voted for yourself instead. I think cases could be built for either one of you to be potential scum, but obviously one of them is bound to be a false trail.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:28:24 GMT -5
Right, but I think it goes without saying you were fairly confident. It just seems like you're trying to cover for something.
I'm so done with the whole "how is me being suicidal scummy" thing, so I'm not even going to bother with that. I'm point blank saying, lynch whichever one you like; I think Jason is scum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:33:37 GMT -5
Alsooooo, can I just highlight how weird it is that after being so sure of Nick on the D-1 lynch that you never moved to Codex wagon... that you went with the Devin lynch on D-2? Right after Jason's vote on him?
OK.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2013 23:34:58 GMT -5
I think the 'playing suicidal' thing is potentially scummy, 'cause after Drag got away with it once I think potentially it's an 'I'm-scum-trying-to-prove-I'm-town' thing. Because your play style is different to Drag's it may not have raised a red flag, 'cause there's no comparison between what you've done now and what he did then.
Since you're sure Jason is scum then I say vote against him. I did say I'd just as soon vote for him as I did you. Vote: Jason
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:35:54 GMT -5
I think the 'playing suicidal' thing is potentially scummy, 'cause after Drag got away with it once Do what now?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2013 23:39:28 GMT -5
Alsooooo, can I just highlight how weird it is that after being so sure of Nick on the D-1 lynch that you never moved to Codex wagon... that you went with the Devin lynch on D-2? Right after Jason's vote on him? OK. I've maintained that I didn't buy Codex being scum, hence I was never on his wagon. As for me being on the Nick wagon, I've also said - Devin was the one I found shifty, not Nick. But the votes started coming in for Nick, and by that point retracting my Nick vote would have taken him off majority so given I was sure about Devin, lynching Nick would have had the same effect. Devin flipping Town shows that I was incorrect. Also, unvoting Nick would've led to Codex having clear majority instead of the weird tied-majority thing we ended up with, and the result would've been the same - Codex would've been mislynched and Drag would die alongside him. This whole vote-one-or-the-other thing makes things really awkward, basically, 'cause it looks suspect to vote against the half of a pairing you think is actually Town, just to make sure the half you think is scum will be laid to waste.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2013 23:42:40 GMT -5
I think the 'playing suicidal' thing is potentially scummy, 'cause after Drag got away with it once Do what now? I thought I was pretty clear. In Platinum Mafia when Drag was scum, he put himself at L-1 to appear Town and got away with it when people backed down. You remember this surely? Who's to say nobody would try it again, with the justification that playing style would make the move seem more believable? I find you less suspect between you and Jason but you could put up a more convincing front than Drag did, I'm not sure. I prefer to be a little bit more cautious this time around because my confidence about Devin led to a mislynch. I'm trying not to make the same mistake twice so I'm trying to be more considerate of what's going on instead of being so set on one person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 23:48:58 GMT -5
Well, no, he also claimed Vanilla Townie. I actually found it scummy that he would put himself on L-1 before I'd finished my analysis but backed off from the role claim like a complete dipshit.
Could I put up a more convincing front than Drag? Good question. Lynch me and find out.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2013 0:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2013 0:01:14 GMT -5
*to do that *@392414
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2013 0:01:28 GMT -5
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Post by Lozzy on Jun 11, 2013 0:07:05 GMT -5
oh yeah
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2013 0:11:03 GMT -5
Hello there young prodling.
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Post by Lozzy on Jun 11, 2013 0:17:08 GMT -5
Slizzard has been even more silent, probably about to be modkilled due to the number of prods he's received. I find that odd but only because he's more experienced and thus, if he were scum, he'd post more to avoid being made a target (so, a reversal of my theory for Juan). However, in doing a quick search of his most recent posts, he's been active on the board, having received a prod for the game even while posting elsewhere. That strikes me as odd for him. Has he lost interest in the game? I'm genuinely interested in the answer to that question. Until then, I'm upping my rate of suspicion for him. Pretty much. And on top of that I've been more busy recently and I'm awful with time management. Like whenever I'm running low on spare time my brain's "strategy" is avoidance not compromising which doesn't help at all But anyway, well, there's your answer. I think I have some time this afternoon (aka now) so I'll see what I can do.. @Mod: Could we have a vote count?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 11, 2013 5:28:52 GMT -5
And then nothing.
I was asleep so that's why I wasn't around.
I'm going to switch my vote now too.
vote: jason
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 6:39:00 GMT -5
My suspicions of Jason carry over from my suspicions of josh from D1. As town, even if he was pulling out, he had no reason to do what he was doing. Now, for Jason: Now to some ideas: - I read Juan's lengthy analysis post. It came across as town to me except at the end, when (IMO) he pulled a scum-like move - voting for the inactive (me). Why wouldn't he vote for someone like, say, Max instead? I don't get that. - WHERE IS KUNT? No posts in the QT since I joined. I am getting a little suspicious. Perhaps a little too much time in another QT? Nice contradiction there bro. I don't see the contradiction. I posted a thought on Juan's move seeming scummy. That doesn't mean I am convinced he is scum. As a seasoned player, I think that Josh was setting the ground to draw suspicion to his pairing in hopes someone would find him suspicious enough to lynch and thus lynch the one member he believed to be scum - Kunt. Josh had no thoughts to contribute throughout the entirety of the game. I have no idea where this is coming from. Possibly self preservation, but for the empty cases you're setting up against me, followed by saying you're "sure" I'm scum, then putting your vote on Max over your own partner that would get you lynched. Works for me![/quote] I never said I was 'sure' you were scum. In fact, in my post, I stated the opposite - I said that I wasn't ready to commit suicide (i.e., vote for you or me) because I wasn't convinced of it. The case against Max, however, is stronger IMO and hence I voted for him. But you seemingly didn't quote that here.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 6:44:59 GMT -5
Urgh, the quotes! Let's try this again: Josh added highly erratic at the end of D-1. This tactic may have seemed odd, but I believe he did it to draw attention to himself and hence provoke a lynch. I think he thought you (Kunt) were scum. Now, that is but one piece of evidence I have here and it is not rock solic. That brings me to... Possibly self preservation, but for the empty cases you're setting up against me, followed by saying you're "sure" I'm scum, then putting your vote on Max over your own partner that would get you lynched. Works for me! I never said I was 'sure' you were scum. In fact, in my post, I stated the opposite - I said that I wasn't ready to commit suicide (i.e., vote for you or me) because I wasn't convinced of it. The case against Max, however, is stronger IMO and hence I voted for him. But you seemingly didn't quote that here.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 6:56:00 GMT -5
*rock solid
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 11, 2013 7:13:26 GMT -5
I don't know what case you have against me. I am curious though. If I can answer any questions (from you or anyone), I will.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 8:54:15 GMT -5
I don't see the contradiction. I posted a thought on Juan's move seeming scummy. That doesn't mean I am convinced he is scum. You're wondering why juan voted for an active, then saying my inactivity is scummy? Oh. I never said I was 'sure' you were scum. In fact, in my post, I stated the opposite - I said that I wasn't ready to commit suicide (i.e., vote for you or me) because I wasn't convinced of it. The case against Max, however, is stronger IMO and hence I voted for him. But you seemingly didn't quote that here. You said "I think Max and Kunt are scum"... which isn't sure, I misquoted you there. Your case against Max is even weaker than mine though.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 10:33:32 GMT -5
I don't see the contradiction. I posted a thought on Juan's move seeming scummy. That doesn't mean I am convinced he is scum. You're wondering why juan voted for an active, then saying my inactivity is scummy? Oh.[/quote[ No, I said Juan voted for an inactive in this thread. Juan has no way of knowing how much activity goes on in other people's QT unless someone tells him either here in this thread (as I have) or his Mafia partner (if he is scum). My point about you was inactivity in our QT. That's an opinion and it may be valid. Nevertheless, I feel that Max was on a lynch on D-1 and then backed off on D-2 to avoid suspicion. I also found it odd that he suspected Josh but then went after Juan both D-2 and earlier in D-3. One possible reason, as I stated before, is that he stated suspicion of Josh to throw off links to you and, rather than continue to go after josh/me, he switched to Juan. It's plausible but it could be wrong. I wholly admit that. But this is what I got to work with. It's curious that after I throw out the suspicions on Max and you, suddenly Max switches his vote to me. I am Town. Simple as that. If I were scum, why would I ask about the win condition directly in the thread? Why would I place a FoS on my own partner (Kunt) when he was thus far viewed as Town by others? Those would be foolish scum actions.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 10:35:19 GMT -5
Ugh these quotes....
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 11, 2013 10:38:19 GMT -5
You're wondering why juan voted for an active, then saying my inactivity is scummy? Oh. No, I said Juan voted for an inactive in this thread. Juan has no way of knowing how much activity goes on in other people's QT unless someone tells him either here in this thread (as I have) or his Mafia partner (if he is scum). My point about you was inactivity in our QT. That's an opinion and it may be valid. Nevertheless, I feel that Max was on a lynch on D-1 and then backed off on D-2 to avoid suspicion. I also found it odd that he suspected Josh but then went after Juan both D-2 and earlier in D-3. One possible reason, as I stated before, is that he stated suspicion of Josh to throw off links to you and, rather than continue to go after josh/me, he switched to Juan. It's plausible but it could be wrong. I wholly admit that. But this is what I got to work with. It's curious that after I throw out the suspicions on Max and you, suddenly Max switches his vote to me. I am Town. Simple as that. If I were scum, why would I ask about the win condition directly in the thread? Why would I place a FoS on my own partner (Kunt) when he was thus far viewed as Town by others? Those would be foolish scum actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 10:47:41 GMT -5
Both questions could be used as a defense. Your reasons for Max are baseless, because you can spin that about literally every member. I was on both lynches, therefore you should lynch me. Az was on the Second lynch, and was on Nick-wagon D1. Both Devin and Nick were town, lynch him! As I recall, his josh suspicions were in line with everyone else's. Even I was suspicious of josh. So was Nick. Maybe we should lynch Nick again?
But there is literally an excuse to be made for everything. Looking at the content we have in-thread, Max has given me next to no reason to think he is scum at any point throughout the game. Yourself and Az are a different story.
To be honest, all things considered, I think an Az/Jason scum pairing makes sense. Jason raises suspicions of his partner, Az goes in to vote for it. This leaves Jason in a position in which he seems town for throwing me under the bus, while Az distances himself from his scum partner.
Although Slizzard and juan are giving town jack shit to work with. We should have lynched them D-2, because even if they are town/town, they're not really.. helping.
juan: Who in your mind is town? Did you suspect Nick or Devin? Who last posted in your QT? Do you feel Jason is scum? Az? Max? Me? What are your thoughts on Slizzard's inactivity?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 10:58:49 GMT -5
Slizzard: do you feel juan is scum? Who alive is scummy to you? Why?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 10:59:31 GMT -5
Eh, fuggit. Vote: Az
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jun 11, 2013 11:22:46 GMT -5
To be honest, all things considered, I think an Az/Jason scum pairing makes sense. Jason raises suspicions of his partner, Az goes in to vote for it. This leaves Jason in a position in which he seems town for throwing me under the bus, while Az distances himself from his scum partner. I really haven't thought of this. Great. This have make me to be more confuse. Although Slizzard and juan are giving town jack s**t to work with. We should have lynched them D-2, because even if they are town/town, they're not really.. helping. I sadly have to agree with it. Slizzard's inactivy is really driving me crazy because I can't justify that he's a town or he's a scum. If he turns town, the scum pairs should be Max/Kunt or Az/Jason. However, I tend to think that it could be Max/Jason too. However, if Slizzard turns scum, I think his partner could be Az but I don't have anything to prove it or make sure about it. Who in your mind is town? I told Slizzard in the QT that I found Az as a town and you are either way for me, likely town. However, I didn't see the conection you made above, so I change Az to either way now. Did you suspect Nick or Devin? I always thought that Nick could be more scum than Devin. I still don't know why some of you found Devin as a scum though. However, when Nick implied that his partner could be a scum and voted for Devin, it made me feel that both of them were really townies, feeling both of them could only be scum. Who last posted in your QT? I made the last post like 30 minutes ago. Slizzard made one in the morning after Az tagged him here and there were two (I can only consider one because the other was like "hey?") I made after Nick and Devin turned town. Do you feel Jason is scum? Az? Max? Me? What are your thoughts on Slizzard's inactivity? Explained above. Not detailed though. If you want, I could do one, but sadly I can't do it now.
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