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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 20, 2013 23:44:57 GMT -5
^^Radio airplay tracking just ended at midnight. Billboard has to compile the chart still. Katy will know in the morning.
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 20, 2013 23:45:01 GMT -5
Bill Werde on twitter is going in on something that Gaga did and her stans are going nuts. Let her have it Bill.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 20, 2013 23:46:13 GMT -5
^She told fans to click on something so the VeVo views would count 150 times for just 1 click. Werde told her they wouldn't count.
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 20, 2013 23:47:32 GMT -5
Yep, seriously those Gaga fans on twitter have to be the worse or up there with the one direction and beiber fans. i mean dang, the fans of gangsta rappers are more civil on twitter.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Aug 21, 2013 0:35:33 GMT -5
^She told fans to click on something so the VeVo views would count 150 times for just 1 click. Werde told her they wouldn't count. I guess she deleted the tweet. Bill Werde @bwerde 8 min 1. It is fine to self-promote, send links to fans, etc. my objection is to playlisting. It seems some fans are unaware such a link was sent. Bill Werde @bwerde 7 min 2. By "playlisting" I mean a link to "watch" the same video 150 times: roughly 9 straight hours of the same vid. Bill Werde @bwerde 4 min 3. I've been/remain a fan of gaga's. I have previously tweeted my affinity for Applause. None of this has anything to do w chart integrity. Bill Werde @bwerde 2 min 4. Im not suggesting we'll discount credible views. I suspect (but wont know til AM) YouTube antispam tech will take care of playlisting. :o |
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Post by Kurt on Aug 21, 2013 0:39:35 GMT -5
I'm curious to know how YouTube would track that since it wasn't bot-driven activity or anything; I wonder if they can track the incoming views from the source (i.e. the 150x playlist link) and just block those? Guess we'll know more tomorrow.
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Post by velaxti on Aug 21, 2013 4:22:17 GMT -5
I'm curious to know how YouTube would track that since it wasn't bot-driven activity or anything; I wonder if they can track the incoming views from the source (i.e. the 150x playlist link) and just block those? Guess we'll know more tomorrow. For Youtube videos, they give you information on where the views are coming from (e.g. whether people are watching on mobile phones, PCs, video game consoles, etc.), also for how long people are watching the video (so you can see if there's a part that people skip past a lot, or if there's a part where people leave the page, etc.). It also gives information about which countries your views are coming from. It also gives you information on exactly where the views are coming from (e.g. Youtube search, Google search, a video playlist, embedded on another website, etc.). It's really detailed, you know exactly which search terms people type in to get to your video, and you know which websites are linking to your video and how many views they're responsible for. So to sum up, yes, they could easily subtract views from a specific playlist if they wanted to. They can also tell how many people got linked to the playlist through Lady Gaga's Twitter, and how many found it through other means. |
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Post by Rodze on Aug 21, 2013 8:09:01 GMT -5
It has already been estimated numerous times Katy needs some ridiculous sales or stream numbers to even contend for no. 1.
Unless Billboard changed the rules, there was no competition this week and BL is a clear no. 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 8:38:16 GMT -5
It has already been estimated numerous times Katy needs some ridiculous sales or stream numbers to even contend for no. 1. Unless Billboard changed the rules, there was no competition this week and BL is a clear no. 1. That doesn't mean we can't be delusional. As long as there is an inch of hope we will cling to it! |
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Post by surreallife on Aug 21, 2013 8:49:07 GMT -5
It has already been estimated numerous times Katy needs some ridiculous sales or stream numbers to even contend for no. 1. Unless Billboard changed the rules, there was no competition this week and BL is a clear no. 1. I think BB increased the sales weighting from 12:1 to 9:1 when it added YouTube views. The only way I could come close to BL beating GL by 76% and BSE by 35% was the following. Sales 9:1 Airplay 7,500:1 On demand 200:1 Passive 400:1 If think "Roar" and BL could be very close in total points. |
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Post by Rodze on Aug 21, 2013 8:56:03 GMT -5
It has already been estimated numerous times Katy needs some ridiculous sales or stream numbers to even contend for no. 1. Unless Billboard changed the rules, there was no competition this week and BL is a clear no. 1. That doesn't mean we can't be delusional. As long as there is an inch of hope we will cling to it! Well, maybe BL sold only 200k this week or "Roar" did 700k. You never know, I guess. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 21, 2013 8:57:04 GMT -5
I feel like this is LFN all over again.
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Post by badrobot on Aug 21, 2013 8:57:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised BB gave out album sales totals but not digital singles yet.
I'm guessing they want to be able to announce the Hot 100 positions simultaneously?
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Post by velaxti on Aug 21, 2013 9:10:19 GMT -5
Do you guys think Control by Big Sean will chart this week? It's honestly been all anybody is talked about this week lol, I'd definitely say it's a popular song. I hope it at least charts on the Hot 100.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 21, 2013 9:11:22 GMT -5
I'm surprised BB gave out album sales totals but not digital singles yet. I'm guessing they want to be able to announce the Hot 100 positions simultaneously? If it's a big album debut, BB always gives out the album sales Tuesday night. |
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Post by badrobot on Aug 21, 2013 9:20:17 GMT -5
^I thought they might do the same at least for Katy & Gaga for digital sales since they're both so hotly anticipated. But it just adds to the anticipation!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 9:21:59 GMT -5
That doesn't mean we can't be delusional. As long as there is an inch of hope we will cling to it! Well, maybe BL sold only 200k this week or "Roar" did 700k. You never know, I guess. It's not that big. Maybe 6-7 million of the 15 million views for the lyric video were from the US, which would be enough for #1.  I stayed delusional last time for Last Friday Night and it worked for two weeks in a row, so I'm sticking to it! Get that 8th #1 Katy! |
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Post by The Upper Hand on Aug 21, 2013 9:34:32 GMT -5
It's going to be closer than what we thought. But I don't think "Roar" managed to dethrone "Blurred Lines" this week.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 21, 2013 9:37:54 GMT -5
I guess katy will have her own article
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 21, 2013 9:39:29 GMT -5
Well, maybe BL sold only 200k this week or "Roar" did 700k. You never know, I guess. It's not that big. Maybe 6-7 million of the 15 million views for the lyric video were from the US, which would be enough for #1. I stayed delusional last time for Last Friday Night and it worked for two weeks in a row, so I'm sticking to it! Get that 8th #1 Katy! I love you. |
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Post by velaxti on Aug 21, 2013 9:41:58 GMT -5
lol. I'm one of those people that always chooses to be pessimistic, so I never get disappointed (works great for me  ). |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 21, 2013 9:44:42 GMT -5
lol. I'm one of those people that always chooses to be pessimistic, so I never get disappointed (works great for me ). Me too. I keep my expectations at a reasonable level. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 21, 2013 9:46:00 GMT -5
^I thought they might do the same at least for Katy & Gaga for digital sales since they're both so hotly anticipated. But it just adds to the anticipation! Considering all the articles the Billboard fan boys wrote about Perry and GaGa, I'm sure we'll get a Hot 100 article at 11am along with the usual BB200 article. |
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 21, 2013 9:46:48 GMT -5
I know Billboard complains about their chart formula not exactly capturing the essence of music when they change it, but if a song has the record most airplay in a single week (over the record by a ton)and is nearly played DOUBLE the #2 song, there is no reason the song should even be in contention of not being #1 on the Hot 100. I'm guessing this may lead to a tweaking of the chart further to boost airplay a bit. If a single sells a massive amount due to a world event (think Candle in the Wind 1997) that's one thing, but a single selling maybe 600k doesn't seem like it should compete with a song almost up to 300m plays. The chart formula is what it is now, I guess it just doesn't make logical sense to me.
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Post by popstop on Aug 21, 2013 9:50:45 GMT -5
Seriously? Why on earth should the radio stations be the prime movers of the chart? The consumer has their own say with sales and now with streaming. I wish sales contributed more to the charts!
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Post by badrobot on Aug 21, 2013 9:54:11 GMT -5
I know Billboard complains about their chart formula not exactly capturing the essence of music when they change it, but if a song has the record most airplay in a single week (over the record by a ton)and is nearly played DOUBLE the #2 song, there is no reason the song should even be in contention of not being #1 on the Hot 100. I'm guessing this may lead to a tweaking of the chart further to boost airplay a bit. If a single sells a massive amount due to a world event (think Candle in the Wind 1997) that's one thing, but a single selling maybe 600k doesn't seem like it should compete with a song almost up to 300m plays. The chart formula is what it is now, I guess it just doesn't make logical sense to me. Arguments like this get made all the time for huge selling songs as well. Fergie broke the record for digital sales with "Fergalicious" but was stuck at #2 on the Hot 100. Honestly, to me the fact that people complain about the weighting from all sides means to me it's probably a sign that it's well-balanced. |
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Post by rfucom on Aug 21, 2013 9:55:52 GMT -5
I think thicke will be no.1 this week and Katy will be two weeks from now battling with avicii
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Post by velaxti on Aug 21, 2013 9:57:42 GMT -5
I know Billboard complains about their chart formula not exactly capturing the essence of music when they change it, but if a song has the record most airplay in a single week (over the record by a ton)and is nearly played DOUBLE the #2 song, there is no reason the song should even be in contention of not being #1 on the Hot 100. I'm guessing this may lead to a tweaking of the chart further to boost airplay a bit. If a single sells a massive amount due to a world event (think Candle in the Wind 1997) that's one thing, but a single selling maybe 600k doesn't seem like it should compete with a song almost up to 300m plays. The chart formula is what it is now, I guess it just doesn't make logical sense to me. I know what you mean. It would be weird if Robin Thicke misses #1 with the highest ever airplay. This will probably be the strongest top 2 in a long time (well, there was Harlem Shake and Thrift Shop I guess). |
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Post by crystalphnx on Aug 21, 2013 10:00:03 GMT -5
Digital Songs Update:
Over on the Digital Songs chart, Katy Perry's "Roar" bows at No. 1 with a whopping 557,000 downloads. The song finished the week with a larger-than-expected sales sum. On Sunday, Aug. 18, forecasters had suggested the song was on course to sell 525,000-550,000 downloads by the close of that week's business (Aug. 18). That projection was increased from an original forecast of 400,000, made on the song’s release date, Aug. 12.
The debut for “Roar” marks the sixth-largest sales week for a digital song ever, Perry's own best sales week and the biggest for her label, Capitol Records.
The only other larger weeks were logged on the chart by Flo Rida's "Right Round" (a debut with 636,000 in 2009), Ke$ha's "TiK ToK" (610,000; 2009), Bruno Mars' "Grenade" (559,000; 2010) and Taylor Swift's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" (a debut with 623,000; 2012) and "I Knew You Were Trouble" (582,000; 2012).
But wait, there's more: "Roar" also logs the third-biggest debut for a digital song. Only "Right Round" (636,000) and "We Are Never . . ." (623,000) started with bigger numbers.
"Roar" is the lead single from Perry's "Prism" album, which is due for release on Oct. 22.
A total of three debuts arrive in the top 10 of the Digital Songs chart this week, including Perry's "Roar." And all three of them start in the top five—the first time that's happened since last October. (On the Digital Songs chart dated Oct. 20, 2012, One Direction, Swift and Adele bowed at Nos. 1-3, respectively, with "Live While We're Young," "Red" and "Skyfall.")
Last week's No. 1 Digital Song, Thicke's "Blurred Lines" (featuring. T.I. and Pharrell), falls to No. 2 with 291,000 (down 16%).
At No. 3 is the second debut of the week: Lady Gaga arrives with "Applause." It sold 218,000 downloads in its opening frame and marks her 13th top 10 hit on the Digital Songs chart. It's her best sales week since "The Edge of Glory" debuted with 266,000 downloads at No. 2 on the May 28, 2011, chart.
"Applause" is the first single from Gaga's "ArtPop" album, which arrives Nov. 11.
A step below Gaga is Jay Z's "Holy Grail," featuring Timberlake, which slips two rungs to No. 4 with 178,000 (though it’s up by 7%).
Bryan captures the third top 10 debut, as his "That's My Kind of Night" enters at No. 5 with 164,000. It's the new radio-promoted single from his album "Crash My Party."
Miley Cyrus' "We Can't Stop" falls 3-6 (148,000; down 6%) while Avicii's "Wake Me Up!" is pushed backwards 6-7 despite a 22% gain to 138,000 downloads.
Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive" tumbles 4-8 (121,000; down 9%) while Lana Del Rey & Cedric Gervais' "Summertime Sadness" is steady at No. 9 (117,000; up 15%). Lorde's No. 1 Alternative airplay hit "Royals" surges into the top 10 (15-10) with 107,000 (up 39%).
Digital track sales this past week totaled 23.1 million downloads, up 4% compared with last week (22.1 million) and down 7% stacked next to the comparable week of 2012 (24.8 million). Year-to-date track sales are at 843.3 million, down 3% compared with the same total at this point last year (870.2 million).
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Post by josh on Aug 21, 2013 10:02:39 GMT -5
"ArtPop"  if you're going to try capitalizing it at least go all the way.  266,000 advantage for Katy. Idk, I'll give the slight advantage to Robin. |
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if you're going to try capitalizing it at least go all the way. 
